Is the NBA both a rigged league and about to have Oklahoma and Indiana play in the NBA finals?

[NZB2323]

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

Has LeBron had greater longevity than any NBA player? Seems like a fact to me. Could he be an alien or a robot?

Obama supporting gay marriage is a fact. Could he be the antichrist?

The Thunder being close is a fact. Could they be having gay orgies in their locker room?

You looking at a child is a fact. Could you be a pedophile?

Lady Gaga supporting trans rights is a fact. Could she be a man?

These are all facts, and you have no evidence to disprove any of these theories.

[D.Brasco]

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

LeBron being drafted by Cleveland is a fact. Claiming that it was rigged is pure conjecture, and the onus is on the claimant to prove that conjecture. It's very simple.

Yes, it is conjecture. You can be suspicious of it, but you can’t claim it’s rigged.

Why did you go on about the Knicks. Wtf does that have to do with anything.

Because the '85 draft with the Knicks winning is always held up as the ultimate example for those who claim the NBA draft is rigged to support big market teams. Big market teams like the Knicks despite having many down years, rarely win the #1 picks anymore.

And people now come up with things like the NBA trying to rig things for random cities like Cleveland and Dallas to win the draft, to try to keep their arguments going, since the NBA big market preference argument is obviously dead in the water.

Has anyone said the NBA rigged things for OKC to be in the finals yet?

[RoteSchroder]

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

Has LeBron had greater longevity than any NBA player? Seems like a fact to me. Could he be an alien or a robot?

Obama supporting gay marriage is a fact. Could he be the antichrist?

The Thunder being close is a fact. Could they be having gay orgies in their locker room?

You looking at a child is a fact. Could you be a pedophile?

Lady Gaga supporting trans rights is a fact. Could she be a man?

These are all facts, and you have no evidence to disprove any of these theories.

You need reading comprehension or listening skills badly.

1) None of these are suspicious events that point to your conclusions.

2) Whatever the reasons the "draft is rigged group" have cooked up can be considered non-suspicious as well.

3) There is no evidence to prove that the draft is rigged.

Which one of these points are you having problems or disagree with?

since the NBA big market preference argument is obviously dead in the water.

It's conjecture to assume you know what the NBA/Silver's motivations/goals are. Just like it's conjecture for conspiracy theorists to assume they know what NBA/Silver's motivations/goals are.

If you claim that you're arguing this point because it's the one conspiracy theorists use, then it's a straw man logical fallacy and appeal to simplicity.

[RoteSchroder]

These are all facts, and you have no evidence to disprove any of these theories.

I doubt you'll be able to understand this.

Logical fallacies:

Argument from Ignorance (Ad Ignorantiam): This is the fallacy of assuming something is false because it has not been proven true (or vice versa). Treating lack of evidence as proof of innocence.

Strawman and Faulty analogy: misrepresenting the original suspicion (which might be based on a pattern of unusual behavior) as completely irrational or random by comparing it to unrelated absurdities.

Reductio ad Absurdum (Misapplied): If the original argument points to plausible suspicious behavior, responding with obviously nonsensical analogies is dismissive and fails to engage with the real content of the argument.


Is the Suspicion of Corruption a Fallacy?
If people observe a pattern of suspicious behavior, they are not committing a fallacy by suspecting corruption.

It becomes a fallacy only if they claim corruption as a fact without evidence

Suspicion Requires Contextual Justification
An event is “suspicious” only when it deviates from what is expected under normal circumstances. If there is a plausible, mundane explanation for the event or if the event is consistent with patterns or protocols that are not widely known to the public, then it may not be suspicious at all.


Me: You can argue it's not suspicious, you can't argue that you're providing evidence of anything.
You: Pedo Obama gay antichrist Lady Gaga MAN!!!!!

[Wayne Wu]

If you don’t think the draft lottery is rigged after seeing Cavs win #1 pick after LeBron left their team, then Pelicans winning #1 pick after AD left their team and now Mavs winning it after Luka left their team, then I’m sorry but you’re extremely naive and possibly foolish.

If the Bucks lose Giannis this summer and if they get a lottery pick in next year’s draft, I’m going to take a second mortgage out and bet that on the Bucks winning the lottery. It may become the easiest $$ I’ve made in my life.

That's what I am talking about. If you really believe the rig, you should benefit from this knowledge/information. You can make a fortune.

Previously, a poster said that he KNEW Mavs WILL get number 1 pick after they traded Luka. And I asked, did you put money on it, if you did, you would make a fortune. And the poster replied, he/she doesn't gamble. Not gambling is actually great, but what a waste of opportunity. You knew a thing WILL definitely happen with originally less than 5% probability. It's like you know a company now is only $5 in stock market, will be $100 in a month, but you do not buy it, because you were taught not to buy stock because stock is too risky.

I always respect people put action/money on what their mouth say. I am now more inclined to the draft is not rigged(not 100% believe, maybe like 70% not rigged, 30% rigged). However, if the Bucks really wins the number pick under the situation you said, and you win a fortune with it, I will be very very happy for you and I will start to believe the NBA is rigged.

I can also envision a situation that, if the Bucks do not wins the lottery, the NBA is rigged believer will still believe NBA is rigged, and say because NBA can not make it too obvious, haha...

[bkkrh]

The problem with most conspiracies is that you could create a similar conspiracy with pretty much every other possible outcome that still proves their conspiracy.

Like to go with the NBA draft being rigged. If you bring up that in a lot of drafts the outcome would speak against a rigged lottery, the conspiracy people will tell you "well the NBA just manipulates a few drafts to make it less obvious." Then there are a few examples stated with the "obvious" reason, why this draft was rigged, but you could easily find "obvious" reasons for almost every other team that was also in the lottery as well, in case they would have won the draft.

So to gp with the narrarive of this season. The common topics was "the TV ratings are down". The NBA is in so much trouble. Nobody is interested in the League anymore. Then the Luka trade happens. "The NBA is forcing this trade to get more media attention". And Golden State is back as well with Jimmy Butler. Playoffs start and have super high ratings. Oh, somehow none of the 1st and 2nd seeds make it to the Conference Finals. And all the big markets besides New York and all the former MVPs are out as well.

Doesn't that all sound super contradictive?

[jkvonny]

Still waiting for a little push for the bulls. We’ve had nothing since 2008

And we lose every flipping coin flip. Lost the flip for Magic in '79, lost the flip for the Kings pick that ended up being the #2 selection in 2018, lost the flip for the Mavs' pick that will end up being Cooper Flagg in 2025.

If the league really wanted to help its ratings, they would have put Cooper in a Bulls uniform rather than banishing him to Dallas. Cooper/Bulls would be an instant and massive draw.

FWIW, Dallas/DFW is a large market as well.

But, I hear what you are saying.

[doogie_hauser]

Is that theory about the Josh Giddey game winner vs the Lakers costing Chicago Cooper Flagg actually true or just a big troll for Bulls fans ?

[manlisten]

Is that theory about the Josh Giddey game winner vs the Lakers costing Chicago Cooper Flagg actually true or just a big troll for Bulls fans ?

Draft lottery is decided by win/loss record. How would one determine which specific loss caused a team to rise or fall in the selection process? Why that game in particular and not any of the other 42 losses?

[doogie_hauser]

Is that theory about the Josh Giddey game winner vs the Lakers costing Chicago Cooper Flagg actually true or just a big troll for Bulls fans ?

Draft lottery is decided by win/loss record. How would one determine which specific loss caused a team to rise or fall in the selection process? Why that game in particular and not any of the other 42 losses?

I just read that the Bulls lost the tiebreaker coin toss with Dallas (both had the identical record) so basically if they won it, Cooper Flagg would have been a Bull instead of a Mav with the way the ping pong balls bounced.

So they lost Flagg because of an unlucky coin toss.

That's the kind of truly bad luck that will haunt Chicago fans for years

[Edrees]

The NBA literally controls the draft, and they can influence games with the refs, but only if the game is close. OKC took it out of the NBA's hands, and Knicks choked away G1.

You can EASILY decide who wins the game. All you had to do was put SGA into foul trouble early against denver in game 7 and give him a quick 3rd foul whenever he checked back in.

Is that theory about the Josh Giddey game winner vs the Lakers costing Chicago Cooper Flagg actually true or just a big troll for Bulls fans ?

Draft lottery is decided by win/loss record. How would one determine which specific loss caused a team to rise or fall in the selection process? Why that game in particular and not any of the other 42 losses?

It could be any of one of their wins that cost them, but that game down to a last second half court buzzer shot after being down like 25 at one point. Of all the wins they had, it was the most losable game by far, thus it was the closest they came to getting Cooper Flagg.

[FarBeyondDriven]

why do so many people gleefully defend corrupt corporations and governments? Like, what do these people have to gain? Why do they care so much? Every industry in every walk of life is corrupt. Every single one. Of course the NBA is too. In fact, the NBA does a worse job hiding it than most. Yet here we have numerous threads devoted to bootlickers defending the poor billionaires being accused of rigging their league. It's honestly baffling

[Capn'O]

Post mortem's not up yet



In the darkest hole
You'd be well advised
Not to plan my funeral
Before the body dies

[mariller]

The league is obviously not rigged lol

No idea why half you lot even watch sports if you think it’s rigged. Delusional

When something that has 1% chance of happening, happens - it's luck or chance,

but

if something that has 1% chance of happening happens when everyone says that they expect it to happen due to this set of circumstance it's 99% a set-up.
I really don't understand how anyone can dispute that.

99% of people predicted Mavs to get the first pick? Evidence of that please.

You should read comprehensive reading first.

[NoStatsGuy]

yes very rigged, Lebron and Stern made the plan to give small markets this one year before they take over next playoffs.

they sat in one of many lebron's condos smoking a cigar, funded by the other owners that signed up for the plan to safe lebrons legacy.

[stepic]

When something that has 1% chance of happening, happens - it's luck or chance,

but

if something that has 1% chance of happening happens when everyone says that they expect it to happen due to this set of circumstance it's 99% a set-up.
I really don't understand how anyone can dispute that.

99% of people predicted Mavs to get the first pick? Evidence of that please.

You should read comprehensive reading first.

How about you state clearly what your point is then instead of trying to be a smart ass?

[mariller]

99% of people predicted Mavs to get the first pick? Evidence of that please.

You should read comprehensive reading first.

How about you state clearly what your point is then instead of trying to be a smart ass?

My point is simple - there were many, many voices (mine included) saying that they expect that Dallas will get #1 BEFOREHAND, before draft.
You can find those voices even here, on realGM. And then it really happened - this moves it from "chance/luck" category to "almost certainly rigged" category. To a point of certanity that you have to be really naive to believe that Dallas were not gifted #1 for trading Luka.

And since those "coincidences" happened many times before in the past, well, I don't know.

[stepic]

You should read comprehensive reading first.

How about you state clearly what your point is then instead of trying to be a smart ass?

My point is simple - there were many, many voices (mine included) saying that they expect that Dallas will get #1 BEFOREHAND, before draft.
You can find those voices even here, on realGM. And then it really happened - this moves it from "chance/luck" category to "almost certainly rigged" category. To a point of certanity that you have to be really naive to believe that Dallas were not gifted #1 for trading Luka.

And since those "coincidences" happened many times before in the past, well, I don't know.

Evidence please

[mariller]

How about you state clearly what your point is then instead of trying to be a smart ass?

My point is simple - there were many, many voices (mine included) saying that they expect that Dallas will get #1 BEFOREHAND, before draft.
You can find those voices even here, on realGM. And then it really happened - this moves it from "chance/luck" category to "almost certainly rigged" category. To a point of certanity that you have to be really naive to believe that Dallas were not gifted #1 for trading Luka.

And since those "coincidences" happened many times before in the past, well, I don't know.

Evidence please

Evidence of what?

[stepic]

My point is simple - there were many, many voices (mine included) saying that they expect that Dallas will get #1 BEFOREHAND, before draft.
You can find those voices even here, on realGM. And then it really happened - this moves it from "chance/luck" category to "almost certainly rigged" category. To a point of certanity that you have to be really naive to believe that Dallas were not gifted #1 for trading Luka.

And since those "coincidences" happened many times before in the past, well, I don't know.

Evidence please

Evidence of what?

Evidence of ‘many, many voices saying that they expect that Dallas will get #1 before the draft’.