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[RiotPunch]

Lopez S&Ts are tough to concoct. Would Whitmore+Landale be an option? Cam is at odds with the organization over minutes/usage. Leverage bird rights against the Rockets? Could be an interesting wing to add.

MKE: Whitmore, Landale
HOU: Lopez (S&T)

Then maybe

MKE: Okoro
CLE: 2nd, cap relief
DET: Pat, 2nds

KPJ / Rollins / (Dame)
Trent / AJJ
Green / Okoro
Giannis / Whitmore
Portis / Sims / Landale

IDK

[tedbrogen]

Lopez S&Ts are tough to concoct. Would Whitmore+Landale be an option? Cam is at odds with the organization over minutes/usage. Leverage bird rights against the Rockets? Could be an interesting wing to add.

MKE: Whitmore, Landale
HOU: Lopez (S&T)

Then maybe

MKE: Okoro
CLE: 2nd, cap relief
DET: Pat, 2nds

KPJ / Rollins / (Dame)
Trent / AJJ
Green / Okoro
Giannis / Whitmore
Portis / Sims / Landale

IDK

If you can get a rotational player in a Brook S&T and for Pat’s expiring you have to do it. Would that team still be below the first apron to access the full MLE to keep KPJ and Trent though? The only path to keep them is having the full MLE.

[RiotPunch]

Lopez S&Ts are tough to concoct. Would Whitmore+Landale be an option? Cam is at odds with the organization over minutes/usage. Leverage bird rights against the Rockets? Could be an interesting wing to add.

MKE: Whitmore, Landale
HOU: Lopez (S&T)

Then maybe

MKE: Okoro
CLE: 2nd, cap relief
DET: Pat, 2nds

KPJ / Rollins / (Dame)
Trent / AJJ
Green / Okoro
Giannis / Whitmore
Portis / Sims / Landale

IDK

If you can get a rotational player in a Brook S&T and for Pat’s expiring you have to do it. Would that team still be below the first apron to access the full MLE to keep KPJ and Trent though? The only path to keep them is having the full MLE.

I believe we would still have access to the tpMLE.

Just realized I didn't send Kuzma out and didn't include him in the depth chart. Yikes.

[soxperry]

There you go again. "Consistently proven they're better" by beating the Bucks last year without Giannis and partly Dame?

You can make a credible case they are better this year even with Dame and even if Kuzma and Prince are benched. But you lose credibility by referencing last year as showing they consistently beat the Bucks.

And isn't that all that matters?

And disagree with your second point. It never clicked with Dame and Giannis last season. We also were not good defensively last year. Couldn't guard anybody worth a damn. Remember all the discussions about "POA defenders"?

It's a fan board, believe what you want but to say my opinion is nonsense makes you lose credibility.

I don't think there's any way to judge whether the Giannis-Dame pairing really couldn't work. We never had a good coach to try it.

i think it's more accurate to say that injuries were the biggest factor in them not realizing their potential as teammates. even with Dame taking a step down from his peak, and even with Doc at the helm, just having those guys being able to do their thing at the same time would have been awesome. The Dame we got in the playoffs before he got hurt again was not Dame. We saw the real Dame last playoffs.

oh well. there's really nothing to say about it anymore but oh well.

[emunney]

Bobby opting in and Trent willing to re-up for just a low-level MLE type deal would seem like an absolute best case scenario at this point. Jim saying it at least gives me a little hope.

Trent turned down 15m per from Toronto before he ran out of options and came to Milwaukee. I’d imagine a bag means more to him than being a Buck. I think he gets priced out of Milwaukee. I’d give NAW his contract and a starting gig next year.

And Nerlens Noel and Dennis Schroder declined huge deals hoping to get more, sometimes people make dumb decisions. If money was the goal, Trent will probably be pretty hard pressed to find a deal higher that $15 million, if even at that. GTJ had a hell of a few games in that Indy series but overall his season was pretty lackluster and we could make him a pretty compelling argument of being the starting 2 guard with (hopefully) another season next to Giannis and with a big time scorer/ball handler in Dame out opening opportunities. He'll be competing for deals with a bunch of dudes on the market: Beasley, NAW, Jerome, Cam Thomas, Grimes, Levert and probably some more I'm forgetting.

Honestly don't know what the market is for any of our dudes though, could go either way for any of them really.

I could see us going after Cam Thomas.

[soxperry]

Trent turned down 15m per from Toronto before he ran out of options and came to Milwaukee. I’d imagine a bag means more to him than being a Buck. I think he gets priced out of Milwaukee. I’d give NAW his contract and a starting gig next year.

And Nerlens Noel and Dennis Schroder declined huge deals hoping to get more, sometimes people make dumb decisions. If money was the goal, Trent will probably be pretty hard pressed to find a deal higher that $15 million, if even at that. GTJ had a hell of a few games in that Indy series but overall his season was pretty lackluster and we could make him a pretty compelling argument of being the starting 2 guard with (hopefully) another season next to Giannis and with a big time scorer/ball handler in Dame out opening opportunities. He'll be competing for deals with a bunch of dudes on the market: Beasley, NAW, Jerome, Cam Thomas, Grimes, Levert and probably some more I'm forgetting.

Honestly don't know what the market is for any of our dudes though, could go either way for any of them really.

I could see us going after Cam Thomas.

I really dont see the point in that. He would fit nicely on a team like Orlando or Houston (or Detroit) that has a ton of defense and just needs an offensive outburst twice a game. But we need two way players. Plus, there's a lot of overlap there with KPJ and i'd just much rather see if KPJ can develop. His ceiling is immensely higher than Thomas.

[ShootingtheJ]

We're not getting a good player in a Lopez sign and trade. Lopez is going to get a contract similar to Buddy Hield, and Philly got a 2nd in that sign and trade. The Warriors got 2 -2nds in the Klay Thompson sign and trade. We'll get a nice Trade Exception too, but that's it.

I'll be ecstatic to get that much though, while also removing our worst playoff albatross. Lots of talk about how Kuzma killed us, and he did, but Brook was for more harmful. That's been happening for years, but we're slow learners.

[ShootingtheJ]

And isn't that all that matters?

And disagree with your second point. It never clicked with Dame and Giannis last season. We also were not good defensively last year. Couldn't guard anybody worth a damn. Remember all the discussions about "POA defenders"?

It's a fan board, believe what you want but to say my opinion is nonsense makes you lose credibility.

I don't think there's any way to judge whether the Giannis-Dame pairing really couldn't work. We never had a good coach to try it.

i think it's more accurate to say that injuries were the biggest factor in them not realizing their potential as teammates. even with Dame taking a step down from his peak, and even with Doc at the helm, just having those guys being able to do their thing at the same time would have been awesome. The Dame we got in the playoffs before he got hurt again was not Dame. We saw the real Dame last playoffs.

oh well. there's really nothing to say about it anymore but oh well.

The real Dame sucked last playoffs too. He's no longer an impact player. His play style is no longer winning basketball in an ever evolving league.

Before Dame, Doc was known as a coach who only ran pick and rolls. It didn't happen here because Dame isn't nearly the passer that Doc's previous PGs were.

[ShootingtheJ]

How good/bad is this for the Bucks - I have the Bucks taking on Murray to get that pick back from NO

Spurs get: Giannis/Jackson
Bucks get: Murray/Castle/#2/2026 1st back from NO/ATL 2027 1st from Spurs/Spurs 2029 1st
Pelicans get: Johnson/Barnes

You a Bucks fan?

Yeah everyone needs to Google the Paul George and Kevin Durant trades before building a Giannis trade.

[pifhluk23]

The Middleton trade is going to go down as an all time failure in Bucks history. Imagine if we had a 33M expiring contract right now + Pat's 9M and we still had AJJ...

[German Athens]

Does our ‘31 1st get us #14 and the ATL swap next year?

The swap might make it too much, but #14 alone feels short.

[jakecronus8]

The Middleton trade is going to go down as an all time failure in Bucks history. Imagine if we had a 33M expiring contract right now + Pat's 9M and we still had AJJ...

We’d still be a second apron team so that would be quite limiting

[ShootingtheJ]

The Middleton trade is going to go down as an all time failure in Bucks history. Imagine if we had a 33M expiring contract right now + Pat's 9M and we still had AJJ...

We’d still be a second apron team so that would be quite limiting

But only until the start of the new league year.

[midranger]

Yeah, I’d assume Brook’s contract falling off would bring us below second apron in July.


I “have” to believe that the Bucks had a follow up trade to the Kuzma debacle lined up and were somehow blindsided by Bobby’s suspension immediately afterwards which nixed it.

I have to believe this because otherwise I think I’d have to end my fandom altogether.

[BigO]

And isn't that all that matters?

And disagree with your second point. It never clicked with Dame and Giannis last season. We also were not good defensively last year. Couldn't guard anybody worth a damn. Remember all the discussions about "POA defenders"?

It's a fan board, believe what you want but to say my opinion is nonsense makes you lose credibility.

I don't think there's any way to judge whether the Giannis-Dame pairing really couldn't work. We never had a good coach to try it.

i think it's more accurate to say that injuries were the biggest factor in them not realizing their potential as teammates. even with Dame taking a step down from his peak, and even with Doc at the helm, just having those guys being able to do their thing at the same time would have been awesome. The Dame we got in the playoffs before he got hurt again was not Dame. We saw the real Dame last playoffs.

oh well. there's really nothing to say about it anymore but oh well.

The main takeaway from the last three playoffs is injuries. Giannis missing two of them and Dame missing a substantial amount and obviously Middleton.

Some think that the main lesson is that the Bucks need to get younger and more athletic? I don't think so, unless those young and athletic guys are also good basketbal players.

Both on this site and in Horst's comments the word athleticism is a constant. It got us AJJ and AJ Johnson and Kuzma. The least athletic of the AJs looks like he might be the best one.

[ShootingtheJ]

Does our ‘31 1st get us #14 and the ATL swap next year?

The swap might make it too much, but #14 alone feels short.

What are your plans for #14?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Does our ‘31 1st get us #14 and the ATL swap next year?

The swap might make it too much, but #14 alone feels short.

SAS is in an unique situation where they may prefer a pick 6 years down the line, but usually there is a premium for that. #14 for a future pick down the line seems fair. Its exactly in the middle of the draft and if the team giving it up doesnt have a pick, they are not going to tank...meaning it will likely be 8-15 even if you think the bucks will suck. Then again, the spurs are probably the only team in the league willing to punt the pick 6 years down the line for limit reward.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think there's any way to judge whether the Giannis-Dame pairing really couldn't work. We never had a good coach to try it.

i think it's more accurate to say that injuries were the biggest factor in them not realizing their potential as teammates. even with Dame taking a step down from his peak, and even with Doc at the helm, just having those guys being able to do their thing at the same time would have been awesome. The Dame we got in the playoffs before he got hurt again was not Dame. We saw the real Dame last playoffs.

oh well. there's really nothing to say about it anymore but oh well.

The main takeaway from the last three playoffs is injuries. Giannis missing two of them and Dame missing a substantial amount and obviously Middleton.

Some think that the main lesson is that the Bucks need to get younger and more athletic? I don't think so, unless those young and athletic guys are also good basketbal players.

Both on this site and in Horst's comments the word athleticism is a constant. It got us AJJ and AJ Johnson and Kuzma. The least athletic of the AJs looks like he might be the best one.

We haven't, but we could be balanced. We can get more athletic by adding only average athletes, and that allows for players that also have skill and IQ.

Moving on from Brook gives us a massive increase in athletism. KPJ and Rollins at PG makes us athletic. Now we just need a wing that's an actual good, well rounded player. That player replacing Prince makes us dramatically faster.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah, I’d assume Brook’s contract falling off would bring us below second apron in July.


I “have” to believe that the Bucks had a follow up trade to the Kuzma debacle lined up and were somehow blindsided by Bobby’s suspension immediately afterwards which nixed it.

I have to believe this because otherwise I think I’d have to end my fandom altogether.

The Bucks worked for months to get Bobby's suspension overturned.

[chonestown]

The main takeaway from the last three playoffs is injuries. Giannis missing two of them and Dame missing a substantial amount and obviously Middleton.

Some think that the main lesson is that the Bucks need to get younger and more athletic? I don't think so, unless those young and athletic guys are also good basketbal players.

Both on this site and in Horst's comments the word athleticism is a constant. It got us AJJ and AJ Johnson and Kuzma. The least athletic of the AJs looks like he might be the best one.

Younger bodies get injured less and have greater resiliency. The Bucks who could play couldn't whereas the Bucks who couldn't play could. The universe act in funny ways.