2025 NBA Draft (2)

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I’m starting to dislike all these guys equally.

I’ve kinda been there, but only getting grief for not liking Ace.

That's because you keep repeating yourself over and over again. "I don't like Bailey, definitely don't like Bailey". "Ace is not the place, definitely not the place for me, definitely not Ace Bailey, Ace Bailey bad, draft Queen, definitely draft Queen, Ace is very bad". So...Yeah... it's annoying and yet you simply cannot help yourself from doing it. You and a few others on here must suffering from Ace Bailey Tourettes syndrome. We could be talking about our favorite pizza and you'd somehow turn it into an Ace Bailey bash.
"Do like Hawaiian pizz-"ACE BAILEY SUCKS, his TSlakdhduewh is only 900 when he eats Hawaiian pizza, Egor is way better!"
You make this page feel like a political debate. I'm sure someone will eventually come up with a catchy insult similar to "Prokafor" before too long. Those days sucked because it really made the whole experience on this forum unappealing. But by all means, carry on.

[Negrodamus]

I’m starting to dislike all these guys equally.

I’ve kinda been there, but only getting grief for not liking Ace.

That's because you keep repeating yourself over and over again. "I don't like Bailey, definitely don't like Bailey". "Ace is not the place, definitely not the place for me, definitely not Ace Bailey, Ace Bailey bad, draft Queen, definitely draft Queen, Ace is very bad". So...Yeah... it's annoying and yet you simply cannot help yourself from doing it. You and a few others on here must suffering from Ace Bailey Tourettes syndrome. We could be talking about our favorite pizza and you'd somehow turn it into an Ace Bailey bash.
"Do like Hawaiian pizz-"ACE BAILEY SUCKS, his TSlakdhduewh is only 900 when he eats Hawaiian pizza, Egor is way better!"
You make this page feel like a political debate. I'm sure someone will eventually come up with a catchy insult similar to "Prokafor" before too long. Those days sucked because it really made the whole experience on this forum unappealing. But by all means, carry on.

Lame way of interpreting what I’m doing here; I don’t post anything about Ace unless it’s a different perspective (statistics, clips, etc) about his game. I’m not seeking out ways to be negative towards Ace. He’s also the presumptive pick and I’m providing conversation for mature people to agree or retort.

I also won’t come up with combative nicknames lashing out at people on here like “derangement” or “Tourette’s” syndrome because I’m not in grade school and find the whole thing juvenile. You guys don’t want to hear anything negative about Ace, got it. I just had a post calling Queen “Kaleb Wesson” but yes, I’m the one not being fair here.

[Lou_23]

I don’t mind drafting Tre, he’s a nuclear perimeter scorer who produced in a tough conference. But the low half-court rim frequency is a real concern. He clearly has the length and athleticism to be better in that area, yet for now, he fits the mold of a shooter who shies away from physicality, something that’s been true since high school. It’s a common profile, but one that limits his scoring upside. If he doesn’t improve his ability to generate rim pressure or draw fouls, his three-point shooting won’t carry as much value, since it’ll just be offset by the lack of free throws and easy buckets at the rim.

And he has to play with motor on defense or else his teammates in the NBA would find ways to get him out of the game if he’s just gonna slack off on defense.

I remember Klay Thompson in his freshman college season didnt know how to make a layup.

Not saying he will be Klay but he can develop because he has the skills to be better.

[mjkvol]

I’m starting to dislike all these guys equally.

I’ve kinda been there, but only getting grief for not liking Ace.

That's because you keep repeating yourself over and over again. "I don't like Bailey, definitely don't like Bailey". "Ace is not the place, definitely not the place for me, definitely not Ace Bailey, Ace Bailey bad, draft Queen, definitely draft Queen, Ace is very bad". So...Yeah... it's annoying and yet you simply cannot help yourself from doing it. You and a few others on here must suffering from Ace Bailey Tourettes syndrome. We could be talking about our favorite pizza and you'd somehow turn it into an Ace Bailey bash.
"Do like Hawaiian pizz-"ACE BAILEY SUCKS, his TSlakdhduewh is only 900 when he eats Hawaiian pizza, Egor is way better!"
You make this page feel like a political debate. I'm sure someone will eventually come up with a catchy insult similar to "Prokafor" before too long. Those days sucked because it really made the whole experience on this forum unappealing. But by all means, carry on.

C'mon, man. We are at 120 pages between two threads on the draft, and many have been on here repeating their preferences and opinions because the amount of subject matter here is really limited, and we are passionate fans who actually spend time on a fan forum of a team that tanked their season away. I mean, what is there to talk about but the 4-5 players Morey might conceivably pick, or the potential trades?

We all have points of view, and while I don't get into the endless numbers minutiae the way some of these guys do, I love having access to them and all the videos here without having to dig them up myself. And Negro brings numbers and videos here to back up his opinions. What are we, worried about hurting Ace's (or any of the potential picks) feelings?

I like the healthy debates we get on here from knowledgeable fans who put in the time doing homework as long as it doesn't get personal, and I haven't seen any of that. Like everything else online, no one's forcing anybody to be here.

[youngcrev]

Apparently every single prospect that didn't play for Duke had team fit issues?

I know the Ace people have been loudest about it, but I've also heard that in regard to VJ, and just heard on a podcast about Tre having issues with the other Texas guards constantly looking him off. Feels like kind of a double edged sword there. Maybe he has more juice to squeeze as an on ball guy, but also maybe he's such a gunner that they're like nah, son.

[76ciology]

Apparently every single prospect that didn't play for Duke had team fit issues?

I know the Ace people have been loudest about it, but I've also heard that in regard to VJ, and just heard on a podcast about Tre having issues with the other Texas guards constantly looking him off. Feels like kind of a double edged sword there. Maybe he has more juice to squeeze as an on ball guy, but also maybe he's such a gunner that they're like nah, son.

I believe that was mentioned on the No Ceilings podcast during the Tre vs. VJ comparison.

Anyway, from watching the tape, I’ve noticed Tre tends to show visible frustration when he doesn’t get the ball, which could raise some concerns about team dynamics. That said, I still think he needs a full season where he’s given the freedom to learn and make mistakes as a lead guard, similar to how Earl Watson helped Devin Booker grow into a playmaker. Unfortunately, I don’t think he’ll get that opportunity here. Maybe on our GLeague.

[76ciology]

I don’t mind drafting Tre, he’s a nuclear perimeter scorer who produced in a tough conference. But the low half-court rim frequency is a real concern. He clearly has the length and athleticism to be better in that area, yet for now, he fits the mold of a shooter who shies away from physicality, something that’s been true since high school. It’s a common profile, but one that limits his scoring upside. If he doesn’t improve his ability to generate rim pressure or draw fouls, his three-point shooting won’t carry as much value, since it’ll just be offset by the lack of free throws and easy buckets at the rim.

And he has to play with motor on defense or else his teammates in the NBA would find ways to get him out of the game if he’s just gonna slack off on defense.

I remember Klay Thompson in his freshman college season didnt know how to make a layup.

Not saying he will be Klay but he can develop because he has the skills to be better.

Yes, he definitely has the tools to improve, and I believe he will once he fills out his frame. Right now, he clearly lacks muscle and functional strength, which makes it hard for him to create space and finish with contact. That should come with time and development.

Anyway, here’s a clip of I found where it sounds like he has the same problem in highschool.

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[Jailblazers7]

Tre Johnson just screams career 6th man to me. I’m not sure I see him being more than a microwave scorer off the bench given his shot profile and play style.

[76ciology]

Tre Johnson just screams career 6th man to me. I’m not sure I see him being more than a microwave scorer off the bench given his shot profile and play style.

To be honest, most of the players we’re discussing aren’t ready to start on a competitive team, they’d only get significant minutes on a roster that isn’t trying to win right away. That said, Tre has one standout skill that mirrors that of a star perimeter scorer.. his off-the-dribble three. He has the potential to give us Buddy Hield-type spurts, hitting 3–4 threes in short bursts of offensive energy.

Tre also has an elite work ethic.. he practically lives in the gym (some say this is the reason why their team lacks chemistry). I wouldn’t put a hard cap on his upside, especially since a lot of his limitations stem from a lack of strength. With NBA-level strength training and nutrition, he can fill out his frame, which would directly improve his defense and his ability to finish at the rim.

[Iverson Armband]

Tre Johnson just screams career 6th man to me. I’m not sure I see him being more than a microwave scorer off the bench given his shot profile and play style.

To be honest, most of the players we’re discussing aren’t ready to start on a competitive team, they’d only get significant minutes on a roster that isn’t trying to win right away. That said, Tre has one standout skill that mirrors that of a star perimeter scorer.. his off-the-dribble three. He has the potential to give us Buddy Hield-type spurts, hitting 3–4 threes in short bursts of offensive energy.

Tre also has an elite work ethic.. he practically lives in the gym (some say this is the reason why their team lacks chemistry). I wouldn’t put a hard cap on his upside, especially since a lot of his limitations stem from a lack of strength. With NBA-level strength training and nutrition, he can fill out his frame, which would directly improve his defense and his ability to finish at the rim.

A lot of people I respect, who actually put in the work (Barlow, KOC, No Ceilings and many others) think Tre is going to be an awesome player. That matches what I see and is really enough for me as someone who’s just a dumb poster on RealGM lol. The Cam Thomas comparisons and the like are just lazy.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah this is me purely posting off the vibes I get from each player. I do not have anything close to a consistent evaluation approach or assessment model.

[Stanford]

Yeah this is me purely posting off the vibes I get from each player. I do not have anything close to a consistent evaluation approach or assessment model.

I think your vibes say only good things about you. I feel I'm getting dumber because I like all these guys and don't get any bad vibes from anyone other than Ace.

[76ciology]

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[Mik317]

My top tier never fails scouting is me watching videos and seeing who makes me go woooo that was a nice play alot

it has never steered me wrong....except the times it did

[76ciology]

Tre Johnson just screams career 6th man to me. I’m not sure I see him being more than a microwave scorer off the bench given his shot profile and play style.

To be honest, most of the players we’re discussing aren’t ready to start on a competitive team, they’d only get significant minutes on a roster that isn’t trying to win right away. That said, Tre has one standout skill that mirrors that of a star perimeter scorer.. his off-the-dribble three. He has the potential to give us Buddy Hield-type spurts, hitting 3–4 threes in short bursts of offensive energy.

Tre also has an elite work ethic.. he practically lives in the gym (some say this is the reason why their team lacks chemistry). I wouldn’t put a hard cap on his upside, especially since a lot of his limitations stem from a lack of strength. With NBA-level strength training and nutrition, he can fill out his frame, which would directly improve his defense and his ability to finish at the rim.

A lot of people I respect, who actually put in the work (Barlow, KOC, No Ceilings and many others) think Tre is going to be an awesome player. That matches what I see and is really enough for me as someone who’s just a dumb poster on RealGM lol. The Cam Thomas comparisons and the like are just lazy.

He needs a red shirt year, inject some HGH, then comeback next season with 20lbs of muscle. Do it the Sixers way.

[76ciology]

VJ Edgecombe would be a great fit with the Hornets, and I hope they consider trading up with us to get him. Our best move might be to identify another team that’s also high on VJ and create a bidding scenario between them.

[Negrodamus]

I think the only thing keeping me interested in VJ was his play in the FIBA games. I can see the vision of him sliding into an off ball role and performing at a high level with NBA players. Otherwise, there's the statistical aspect of his college season that's alluring but the eye test hurts quite a bit (at the rim, constant defensive lapses, not much creativity with his handle).

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah this is me purely posting off the vibes I get from each player. I do not have anything close to a consistent evaluation approach or assessment model.

I think your vibes say only good things about you. I feel I'm getting dumber because I like all these guys and don't get any bad vibes from anyone other than Ace.

I’ve reached the stage where I know I’ll just talk myself into whoever we draft (Ace included) so I’ve stopped worrying about it.

[Negrodamus]

Tate Frazier: “I had gotten like a crumb sent my way. Again, everything you get told or that gets brought your way, you take with some level of a grain of salt.” “But I heard that Kon Knueppel was kind of in the mix as well—as sort of a ‘play-now’ guy (for Sixers).” “I also think there’s a world in which maybe a team at six—maybe the Brooklyn Nets or somebody—wants to trade up. Maybe they’re able to do something there, get a guy, and trade back to maybe get who they originally wanted. Maybe that’s Knueppel, and they get him at seven or eight, or whatever it may be.”

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3670522/

[Sixersftw]

I think the only thing keeping me interested in VJ was his play in the FIBA games. I can see the vision of him sliding into an off ball role and performing at a high level with NBA players. Otherwise, there's the statistical aspect of his college season that's alluring but the eye test hurts quite a bit (at the rim, constant defensive lapses, not much creativity with his handle).

Vj is basically off my list. Same with Kon. I think you mentioned Sauce Castillo, as a prospect comparison, and I can't shake the comparison. Tre is the only guy that I have been consistently fine with.

I had about 5 hours of getting Airious-pilled but I'm back to meh.