The Ace Bailey Thread

[Diop]

Also, I think drafting Ace he is going to be big enough to log minutes at the 4 or even mins at the 2 like Miller, so you can still get to lineups like

Melo- Green-Miller-Ace- Moussa
or
Melo-Ace-Miles-Tidjane-Grant

Is there every any lineups where you would feel like VJ can play point guard based on his tape or skillset? I view him more like Josh Green where yeah he can guard either the 1 or 2 but he can't play both positions on offense, so it less valuable.

That first team is very heavily on Melo creating the offense, which could work if he attracts the double team and passes to the open man, but take the ball out of his hands and a contested shot is most likely the result.

im not against adding him, just saying. hopefully we can add a vet to help.

[Snidely FC]

not sure why more people aren't offering Andrew Wiggins as a floor for Ace

Andrew Wiggins and Ace had similar physical measurements (Wiggins did not attend the combine but pre-draft measurements included 6'875" in shoes, 7' wingspan) and their college stats, 17 ppg, 34% 3 pt %, 2.2 stocks, 1.5 assists, were essentially identical.

As #1 pick Wiggins career may be seen as a disappointment vs expectations. But he won ROY, one Championship, and an All Star appearance over what has turned out to be a useful if not starry 11 year career. That's not a bad floor for Ace at 4.

[Bassman]

DraftCasual has his take on Ace along with the analysis to support his opinion. Quoting from his post on X:

"Don't Overthink It" Ace Bailey 6'10 F

Comp: Jumbo (Harrison Barnes/Andrew Wiggins)/Naz Reid

Pros (percentile per 40):
-Elite MidRange (99th MidM)
-Sneaky Athleticism (79th DunkM)
-3 Lvl Scorer (60th 3PM)

Cons:
-Theoretical Def (Hovers Kris Murray)
-Putrid Off IQ (4th AST/TO, 11th FTR)
-Terrible Playmaker (27th APG)
-Inefficient Shooter (55th TS/eFG%)

I've been very low on Bailey all year - his highs are high & lows are, low..

End of day, I think his blend size/athleticism will outweigh his major flaws that most other players can't cover. Ace Bailey makes top 4 on my board.

I see Rashard Lewis comp, but Lewis better shooter & Ace more explosive (where he differs Jabari Smith too).

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[SWedd523]

not sure why more people aren't offering Andrew Wiggins as a floor for Ace

Andrew Wiggins and Ace had similar physical measurements (Wiggins did not attend the combine but pre-draft measurements included 6'875" in shoes, 7' wingspan) and their college stats, 17 ppg, 34% 3 pt %, 2.2 stocks, 1.5 assists, were essentially identical.

As #1 pick Wiggins career may be seen as a disappointment vs expectations. But he won ROY, one Championship, and an All Star appearance over what has turned out to be a useful if not starry 11 year career. That's not a bad floor for Ace at 4.

As a FLOOR?

That seems awfully generous. Wiggins was ROY, all Rookie 1st team, made the ASG, and career 18.5/4.5 stats

[Liver_Pooty]

If Wiggins is a floor for Bailey we need to stop **** around and trade up

[fatlever]

Wiggins vs Ace comes down to the mental side of the game.

Wiggins eventually bought into his role as a 3D guy, even if it took a while and landing on a great team in gs.

Kind of what they were talking about with Ace going to philly. That's a place where the strong vets and established superstars on that team immediately put Ace into a role as a third fourth option Hustle defense and open jumpers guy.

What does Wiggins career look like if he had stayed on a bad Minnesota team his whole life where he thought being drafted that high and being paid that much meant that he had to force the action on offense. That floor is much lower.

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[KingCat]

Realistically his floor is a Cam Reddish.

High potential wing that is constantly bouncing around the league. Fanbases get hyped over what he could be, but never truly gets it together.

[EmpireFalls]

not sure why more people aren't offering Andrew Wiggins as a floor for Ace

Andrew Wiggins and Ace had similar physical measurements (Wiggins did not attend the combine but pre-draft measurements included 6'875" in shoes, 7' wingspan) and their college stats, 17 ppg, 34% 3 pt %, 2.2 stocks, 1.5 assists, were essentially identical.

As #1 pick Wiggins career may be seen as a disappointment vs expectations. But he won ROY, one Championship, and an All Star appearance over what has turned out to be a useful if not starry 11 year career. That's not a bad floor for Ace at 4.

As a FLOOR?

That seems awfully generous. Wiggins was ROY, all Rookie 1st team, made the ASG, and career 18.5/4.5 stats

Wiggins also got ran out of town almost for free by Minnesota and only made the ASG due to incredibly rigged fan voting by Warriors fans.

He was a decent player who was intensely frustrating and had one peak year (2022) where he bought in, which has since not been repeated at all.

Ace being Minnesota Wiggins is not a great outcome at all. He was consistently a negative on-court nearly his entire career:

https://www.nbarapm.com/player/Andrew_Wiggins

[fatlever]

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thought this was a good ace video. good and bad

[Braggins]

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thought this was a good ace video. good and bad

This guys opinion/analysis on Bailey is the closest Ive seen to the impression I got of him when I watched a few Rutgers games this year.

[fatlever]

I agree it's the closest opinion of how I feel about him when I watch him play. I see the talent. But he also feels like a guy that I would absolutely hate playing with if I was on the court at the same time as a teammate. I just don't particularly care for the way he plays basketball. And that's the hardest thing for me to get over at this point. I see the talent. I see why any team would be definitely afraid to pass him up. But I also feel like I will hate watching him play 80% of the time.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I agree it's the closest opinion of how I feel about him when I watch him play. I see the talent. But he also feels like a guy that I would absolutely hate playing with if I was on the court at the same time as a teammate. I just don't particularly care for the way he plays basketball. And that's the hardest thing for me to get over at this point. I see the talent. I see why any team would be definitely afraid to pass him up. But I also feel like I will hate watching him play 80% of the time.

I think you've summed up my thoughts exactly. Talented but he doesn't process the game well or make smart decisions. The anti-Jokic.

Yes he's very young and things might speed up for him, though I think BBIQ is generally instinctual and you either have it or you don't.

[JMAC3]

I know scoring isn't everything in todays NBA, but I could see Ace having multiple 35+ games as a rookie, that is how dynamic of a scorer I think he can be.

I would be lower on him if he went to Duke, UNC, Kentucky etc and had a freshman season that was such a Tilt-awhirl but I really do think the coach, system, talent and overall vibe at Rutgers was just bad. Credit to Harper and Bailey for trying to make it their own thing but they are 18 yr old kids and they needed a stronger set of rules instead of Ace is really good let's just iso (he led the nation in Iso's). Do you think it is Ace's job to tell the coach hey this isn't working or do you think most average to good college coaches are putting him in a different scenario?

[Braggins]

I agree it's the closest opinion of how I feel about him when I watch him play. I see the talent. But he also feels like a guy that I would absolutely hate playing with if I was on the court at the same time as a teammate. I just don't particularly care for the way he plays basketball. And that's the hardest thing for me to get over at this point. I see the talent. I see why any team would be definitely afraid to pass him up. But I also feel like I will hate watching him play 80% of the time.

I think you've summed up my thoughts exactly. Talented but he doesn't process the game well or make smart decisions. The anti-Jokic.

Yes he's very young and things might speed up for him, though I think BBIQ is generally instinctual and you either have it or you don't.

I cut him quite a bit of slack due to his age honestly. Thats why I'm not necessarily against the idea of drafting him even though I didn't like a lot of what I saw when I watched him. There was also plenty to like and he was so young and playing in a dumpster fire situation.

[Bassman]

If the Sixers draft VJ, Hornets face a choice of the following:

Ace - ultra high potential or possibly limited to a role playing starter.
Tre - high quality shooter but average or less defender, IQ, possibly 1 dimensional player.
Knipple- Really good shooter and multi purpose player with lower athleticism and worse speed for the NBA game.

I’m taking Ace.

[Diop]

i think Ace goes to 6ers, but I would put him a nose ahead of Tre as well. Again, I am happy with any of Tre, VJ or Ace.

[wilson115]

Think Charles could actually make Ace as a Hornet work. Already seen what Charles wants his troops to buy into (defense and shooting threes), probably get him to tone down chucking it from mid-range (see: Miller, Brandon) and try and mold Ace into something resembling what he had with Jaylen in Boston, GSW Wiggins or a better-shooting Thompson twin (see: what he's trying to do with Tidjane).

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