2025 NBA Draft

[cedric76]

Would be a nice 3rd big for next season with potential to become much more in a few seasons

Brook lopez lite (without the wingspan)

we're probably going to need a big, moe prob out until December maybe January

If thats so... then perfect 3rd big is a rookie. That way when Moe gets back, no hard feelings i he is benched again. Or if ever he really impresses, then we feel comfy trading wcj/goga

Draft Raynaud and trade goga for Royce O'Neil

[RookieStar]

we're probably going to need a big, moe prob out until December maybe January

If thats so... then perfect 3rd big is a rookie. That way when Moe gets back, no hard feelings i he is benched again. Or if ever he really impresses, then we feel comfy trading wcj/goga

Draft Raynaud and trade goga for Royce O'Neil

Whats your deal with royce? He is JAG.

[RichCollab]

you can't know that, plus who knows what our financial situation will look like and what will open up....there is a realistic situation where we may need rookies to help fill the roster because that's all we can afford

Your delusional if you think a rookie guard will add any value this year.

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

Did any of those players contribute to play off wins?

[pepe1991]

Your delusional if you think a rookie guard will add any value this year.

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

Did any of those players contribute to play off wins?

It is silly debate. You have 60 + rookies, most of them who even play, play on teams that play them to suck even more.

Net rating of some of rookies mentioned:

Filipovski -11,3
George -10,1
Missi -12,7
Sarr -13,7
Castle -4,7

McCain lasted 23 games.

Edey had okey rookie year in regular season, in playoffs over 4 games he had plus minus of -58 ( one of worst in nba). Guy is 23. years old.
Ware was pretty much unplayable in first round ( 18,8 mpg, 4,4 ppg)

Quinn Post is 25 years old. Only on paper that's a "rookie".

Overall rookies don't help you win. Rookies fill roster spot and you hope they don't suck too much. On most upper level teams rookies simply don't play if injuries don't hinder roster.

On tanking teams rookies play for two reasons:
1) to improve
2) to help you suck

[Bensational]

I’ve zeroed in on wanting some combo of:

Guard/Wing (3&D): WCJr, Coward, Carter Bryant

Bench Big: Raynauld, Sorber, Wolf

[cedric76]

If thats so... then perfect 3rd big is a rookie. That way when Moe gets back, no hard feelings i he is benched again. Or if ever he really impresses, then we feel comfy trading wcj/goga

Draft Raynaud and trade goga for Royce O'Neil

Whats your deal with royce? He is JAG.

Cheap vet 3&D that can really hit the 3 ball and phoenix needs a C (goga would be a great fit there)

[Skybox]

you can't know that, plus who knows what our financial situation will look like and what will open up....there is a realistic situation where we may need rookies to help fill the roster because that's all we can afford

Your delusional if you think a rookie guard will add any value this year.

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

These boards have become polluted with the idea that rookies being invisible roster spots for 3 years is okay. Or that a lottery pick “tactically” placed in the G League for a year because he agreed to it was a master stroke, not a failed pick. Not hearing much support for that lately but the way some fans can rationalize, support and then disregard a few years later is a joke. Good players can contribute, in some form, right away. AB is doing, at this point, what he should have provided (at least) as a promising rookie…he will get even better, but, imo, the “starting PG” fantasy is delusional. Jett’s out of the league soon and AB is a decent rotation player like TdS. TdS was a significant contributor early as a rookie late frp…he will be better this year if he gets the minutes. There are plenty of rookies that play right away at the NBA level, including some on our team.

[Skybox]

Draft Raynaud and trade goga for Royce O'Neil

Whats your deal with royce? He is JAG.

Cheap vet 3&D that can really hit the 3 ball and phoenix needs a C (goga would be a great fit there)

He’d be a solid add, but just one example at that price point- although I’d prefer a similar level guy who doesn’t have so many remaining guaranteed years into his 30’s. Not sure he moves the needle enough to even put him in front of TdS in the rotation…I think moving Goga for a solid vet at some other position should be in the cards this summer. I’d much rather have a rookie scale C or even a vet min guy in that C rotation, even if Moe is declined.

[KillMonger]

Your delusional if you think a rookie guard will add any value this year.

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

Did any of those players contribute to play off wins?

you can move that goal post but that's where i get off, that wasn't what you said at first....you said ANY value, then you got cooked and put wheels on that goal post....listen in any case this whole thing could mean nothing if weltman does the smart move and package the picks....

[RichCollab]

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

Did any of those players contribute to play off wins?

you can move that goal post but that's where i get off, that wasn't what you said at first....you said ANY value, then you got cooked and put wheels on that goal post....listen in any case this whole thing could mean nothing if weltman does the smart move and package the picks....

Our goal is 2nd round. Regular season improvement means nothing.

Moving the goal post? You aren’t onboard with all that matters is what we do in the playoffs?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Draft Raynaud and trade goga for Royce O'Neil

Whats your deal with royce? He is JAG.

Cheap vet 3&D that can really hit the 3 ball and phoenix needs a C (goga would be a great fit there)

O'Neale is my top target as well after one of the guards. Dude is the PERFECT 3&d guy for Orlando, dude hits 40% at 6 attempts per game, on catch and shoot 3's he shot 42.2% on 5 attempts. So instead of Paolo/Franz passing out to a Houstan or Isaac they've got Royce swishing ****. He's got 3 years left at 10.1,10.8 & 11.6M left so not that much money we wouldn't make it work.

[eyriq]

Your delusional if you think a rookie guard will add any value this year.

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

These boards have become polluted with the idea that rookies being invisible roster spots for 3 years is okay. Or that a lottery pick “tactically” placed in the G League for a year because he agreed to it was a master stroke, not a failed pick. Not hearing much support for that lately but the way some fans can rationalize, support and then disregard a few years later is a joke. Good players can contribute, in some form, right away. AB is doing, at this point, what he should have provided (at least) as a promising rookie…he will get even better, but, imo, the “starting PG” fantasy is delusional. Jett’s out of the league soon and AB is a decent rotation player like TdS. TdS was a significant contributor early as a rookie late frp…he will be better this year if he gets the minutes. There are plenty of rookies that play right away at the NBA level, including some on our team.

Calling any pick a bust if they’re not in the rotation by year two is just short-sighted. Every team now has a G League affiliate for a reason, development paths aren’t linear, and good orgs use all their tools to get the most out of their investments. Immediate minutes ≠ long-term value.

[Knightro]

Did any of those players contribute to play off wins?

you can move that goal post but that's where i get off, that wasn't what you said at first....you said ANY value, then you got cooked and put wheels on that goal post....listen in any case this whole thing could mean nothing if weltman does the smart move and package the picks....

Our goal is 2nd round. Regular season improvement means nothing.

Moving the goal post? You aren’t onboard with all that matters is what we do in the playoffs?

I don't think this is totally accurate. Regular season improvement could potentially get the Magic home court advantage in at least one round and potentially two rounds. That's very valuable.

It would be great to jump to 50+ wins this upcoming regular season.

[Skybox]

Whats your deal with royce? He is JAG.

Cheap vet 3&D that can really hit the 3 ball and phoenix needs a C (goga would be a great fit there)

O'Neale is my top target as well after one of the guards. Dude is the PERFECT 3&d guy for Orlando, dude hits 40% at 6 attempts per game, on catch and shoot 3's he shot 42.2% on 5 attempts. So instead of Paolo/Franz passing out to a Houstan or Isaac they've got Royce swishing ****. He's got 3 years left at 10.1,10.8 & 11.6M left so not that much money we wouldn't make it work.

Would they trade him for Goga then?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Cheap vet 3&D that can really hit the 3 ball and phoenix needs a C (goga would be a great fit there)

O'Neale is my top target as well after one of the guards. Dude is the PERFECT 3&d guy for Orlando, dude hits 40% at 6 attempts per game, on catch and shoot 3's he shot 42.2% on 5 attempts. So instead of Paolo/Franz passing out to a Houstan or Isaac they've got Royce swishing ****. He's got 3 years left at 10.1,10.8 & 11.6M left so not that much money we wouldn't make it work.

Would they trade him for Goga then?

we'd have to be a 3rd team in the Durant/any trade they do because they're a 2nd apron team. It's something I'd hope they would look at and Phoenix definitely needs a cheap playable C

[The Real Dalic]

I'm going to be pretty pissed off if we make even one draft pick. I'll be beyond that if we make both.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

These boards have become polluted with the idea that rookies being invisible roster spots for 3 years is okay. Or that a lottery pick “tactically” placed in the G League for a year because he agreed to it was a master stroke, not a failed pick. Not hearing much support for that lately but the way some fans can rationalize, support and then disregard a few years later is a joke. Good players can contribute, in some form, right away. AB is doing, at this point, what he should have provided (at least) as a promising rookie…he will get even better, but, imo, the “starting PG” fantasy is delusional. Jett’s out of the league soon and AB is a decent rotation player like TdS. TdS was a significant contributor early as a rookie late frp…he will be better this year if he gets the minutes. There are plenty of rookies that play right away at the NBA level, including some on our team.

Calling any pick a bust if they’re not in the rotation by year two is just short-sighted. Every team now has a G League affiliate for a reason, development paths aren’t linear, and good orgs use all their tools to get the most out of their investments. Immediate minutes ≠ long-term value.

I mean Jett's not even in the 10 man squad.. He's basically an expensive practice player. He's 1000% a bust for Orlando

[Idiosyncratic]

Rookies usually stink their rookie year, that is a fact, but it isn't just about next year. Also sometimes vets stink, even previously proven ones.

If we trade for a Simons type player and extend him, that is going to be a near 1st apron team the next few years even without any other moves. That is when having some guys with upside at 4 mil salary will matter, because free agency is not going to save us and we won't be able to trade for a bunch more players that need to be paid.

They are going to make picks again. Yes they need to trade for help, but that isn't going to cost every pick or even a ton of picks outside of a surprise star move. The "NO MORE ROOKIES PLEASE" thing just makes no sense to me. There are guys I would trade multiple picks for this year, but beyond that they will still make picks in future years. It is basically impossible to afford the roster without them, I don't really see a way around it.

[cedric76]

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

These boards have become polluted with the idea that rookies being invisible roster spots for 3 years is okay. Or that a lottery pick “tactically” placed in the G League for a year because he agreed to it was a master stroke, not a failed pick. Not hearing much support for that lately but the way some fans can rationalize, support and then disregard a few years later is a joke. Good players can contribute, in some form, right away. AB is doing, at this point, what he should have provided (at least) as a promising rookie…he will get even better, but, imo, the “starting PG” fantasy is delusional. Jett’s out of the league soon and AB is a decent rotation player like TdS. TdS was a significant contributor early as a rookie late frp…he will be better this year if he gets the minutes. There are plenty of rookies that play right away at the NBA level, including some on our team.

Calling any pick a bust if they’re not in the rotation by year two is just short-sighted. Every team now has a G League affiliate for a reason, development paths aren’t linear, and good orgs use all their tools to get the most out of their investments. Immediate minutes ≠ long-term value.

And1

[pepe1991]

did steph castle have any impact for san antonio? how about bubb carrington? McCain? Dalton? why stick to guards only.....How did Ware look? Missi? Kyshawn? Shannon? Fillipowski? Quinten Post? am i delusional or did those rookies come in and contribute and help their teams? I could've swore i saw those players come in and make an impact....maybe i'm wrong

These boards have become polluted with the idea that rookies being invisible roster spots for 3 years is okay. Or that a lottery pick “tactically” placed in the G League for a year because he agreed to it was a master stroke, not a failed pick. Not hearing much support for that lately but the way some fans can rationalize, support and then disregard a few years later is a joke. Good players can contribute, in some form, right away. AB is doing, at this point, what he should have provided (at least) as a promising rookie…he will get even better, but, imo, the “starting PG” fantasy is delusional. Jett’s out of the league soon and AB is a decent rotation player like TdS. TdS was a significant contributor early as a rookie late frp…he will be better this year if he gets the minutes. There are plenty of rookies that play right away at the NBA level, including some on our team.

Calling any pick a bust if they’re not in the rotation by year two is just short-sighted. Every team now has a G League affiliate for a reason, development paths aren’t linear, and good orgs use all their tools to get the most out of their investments. Immediate minutes ≠ long-term value.

Is Jett Howard bust to you?