Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Magicman125]

Cole + 25 is the best offer

We'll probably throw in a second we'll never use with protections where it may or may not convey.

Yeah SRP maybe but sexton won't land a pick higher than 25

Hope you're right! I agree Sexton isn't super exciting compared to some other names, but he is definitely an offensive upgrade over Cole. He's better at drawing fouls, better efficiency shooting from pretty much all ranges. I think he's also a slightly better passer, but he may be even worse on defense.

Cole seems to benefit from being on a good defensive team when it comes to his advanced defensive stats, but the gap is huge between their metrics on that end. I don't know how we'd do at covering for Sexton's defensive shortcomings, but he does try hard on defense.

[orlando_joe]

Mavs fan here

WOuld you be interested in a deal centered around AD for Suggs? Something like AD/Hardy for Suggs/KCP/Howard/Picks?

magic have no room for that contract ...and not need for magic they have paolo and he does not want to play center maybe if he made suggs money..lol not double suggs money

[Magic_Johnny12]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

[OrlandoDream]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

I just refuse to believe that a professional sports from office saw 82 games of complete disaster offense and desperate need of a veteran PG to just say "naw guys I think were good. lets just get Suggs back and run it back." Fireable offense.

[89Magicfan]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Yeah it’s Weltman after all.

Btw KAT. I see that and I think Karl Anthony Towns. Who are you referring to?

[VFX]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

[89Magicfan]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

Yeah but neither one are really PG’s. Sexton is one by size only. I don’t see a huge difference between him and Cole tnh. Maybe more efficient?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Mavs fan here

WOuld you be interested in a deal centered around AD for Suggs? Something like AD/Hardy for Suggs/KCP/Howard/Picks?

no we've got enough injury prone players.

[Magic_Johnny12]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Yeah it’s Weltman after all.

Btw KAT. I see that and I think Karl Anthony Towns. Who are you referring to?

Correct, Towns. Merely using him as an example of an offensive minded big.

[89Magicfan]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Yeah it’s Weltman after all.

Btw KAT. I see that and I think Karl Anthony Towns. Who are you referring to?

Correct, Towns. Merely using him as an example of an offensive minded big.

I could see Weltman doing some off the wall **** too.

[tiderulz]

Mavs fan here

WOuld you be interested in a deal centered around AD for Suggs? Something like AD/Hardy for Suggs/KCP/Howard/Picks?

nope. he is 32 and cant stay healthy now. with 3 more years averaging over $60mil/yr. I can see him missing large parts of each season, especially when needed in the playoffs.

[tiderulz]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

that would be a mistake. but i can see Weltman thinking that

[VFX]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

Yeah but neither one are really PG’s. Sexton is one by size only. I don’t see a huge difference between him and Cole tnh. Maybe more efficient?

It’s about consistency IMO. The entire reason Cole cannot be a starter is that he’s not consistent enough offensively to offset the fact that he gets targeted on defense.

Sexton and Simon’s might not be even average defenders but they have a skill set that keeps defenses honest at least from outside.

Pairing two 3/D defensive minded SG’s in the back court means leaning on Franz and Paolo more than any true offense rightfully should as distributors. They aren’t those guys.

It’s just wild to me that the answer here to finally getting a legitimate guard to pair with Suggs involves trading Suggs. Like Weltman was so out of options that he couldn’t merely find a starter and needed an allstar in exchange for a 23 year old all defense guy.

[GelbeWand09]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Sexton & Simons are SG. Like Cole is a SG. I woudnt even call them combo guards because thats something positive. A combo guard can play both position to a certain degree. Mitchell is a combo guard. He is an sg who can also take on pg tasks. Same for Booker or Van Fleet who can play offball as a SG despite his height. Those 2 guys are just bad tweeners. Too small for there position and lack the skills for the position for their bodytype.

[orlando_joe]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

i mean sure it did not work...because they only played what 2 games together?

[89Magicfan]

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

Yeah but neither one are really PG’s. Sexton is one by size only. I don’t see a huge difference between him and Cole tnh. Maybe more efficient?

It’s about consistency IMO. The entire reason Cole cannot be a starter is that he’s not consistent enough offensively to offset the fact that he gets targeted on defense.

Sexton and Simon’s might not be even average defenders but they have a skill set that keeps defenses honest at least from outside.

Pairing two 3/D defensive minded SG’s in the back court means leaning on Franz and Paolo more than any true offense rightfully should as distributors. They aren’t those guys.

It’s just wild to me that the answer here to finally getting a legitimate guard to pair with Suggs involves trading Suggs. Like Weltman was so out of options that he couldn’t merely find a starter and needed an allstar in exchange for a 23 year old all defense guy.

Yeah he seriously **** up last off season. Then sat on his hands at the deadline because of his off season failure.

The whole point was to build around Paolo/Franz/Suggs and now he’s painted himself in a corner.

I don’t even see a diamond in the rough that we can trade for. Not even some disgruntled PG who just needs a new scenery nor a trade up draft pick. Just very non appealing limited options.

[VFX]

It’s funny there’s 299 pages of people primarily discussing PG upgrades, but there’s a real chance Weltman still thinks Suggs is the PGOTF and could be looking for “proven offensive help” on the wing or via center.

We could easily zig when everyone thought we would zag.

We hardly discuss center or 2 guard upgrades, we’re all talking Sexton/Garland/Simons but could be interested in KAT/Cam Thomas kind of players…

We really don’t know what this FO is thinking.

Every year we assume the obvious but they always tend to do the opposite.

Acquiring KCP before a point guard meant he believed one of two things…

That Paolo/Franz are lead ball handlers/ distributors OR that Jalen Suggs can actually be a point guard for lack thereof.

Both of which aren’t true and now he knows his gamble didn’t pay off. So he’s either going to make a desperation trade with Suggs or he’s going to go for a double with a Simons/Sexton fill in.

i mean sure it did not work...because they only played what 2 games together?

Are we pretending that KCP has some kind of skillset that changes what we saw in 2023-24 dramatically?

He's basically a shinier Gary Harris.

[Black and Blue]

The average NBA team allocates around 69% of their cap to their top 3 players. If Orlando adds Garland to Paolo and Franz, that number for us jumps to ~74–80% in 2026–27 and 2027–28.

That might sound steep, but it's actually in line with what winning teams do. This season, 40% of teams spent at or above that level on their top 3. Here’s this list:

PHX: 107.1%
PHI: 96.6%
MIL: 91.9%
DEN: 87.7%
MIN: 84.7%
BOS: 81.1%
MIA: 80.1%
NYK: 78.8%
LAL: 77.4%
GSW: 75.5%
NOP: 75.5%
IND: 74.2%

If Paolo, Franz, and Garland are your core, that kind of cap concentration is not a red flag. It's a signal you're serious about competing.

Well said. People who want to add Simons to our current 3 fail to realize he would need to be extended and that would mean our top 4 is expensive. We have been needing a consolidation trade for years now, so I’m of the mind we can get our third star while shedding weight elsewhere.

That said, I’m open if there is a way to keep Suggs while drastically improving our team long term. The issue is that many of the mid level targets people are wanting would either be rentals or become expensive very fast.

Side note: I want to see the damn new logo. I can’t wait any longer. Hopefully they unveil it before the draft.

Not if Simons/section (and other names mentioned here) extend for less than 90 M over 4 yrs (which they d need to agree before the trade)

That would be quite the hometown discount. Simons currently makes an average of 25 million a year ($27,678,571 this upcoming season) in his current deal. With inflation, many people are batting around whether it will take him over the 30 million a year number on his next deal. Even if he loves the Magic, I can't imagine him playing for substantially less than even his past contract.

Again, as with all these scenarios I hope I'm wrong. I love Suggs. It's just hard to make the money work with our current three here and an avoidance of the NBA aprons. Something seems like it has to give.

[Idiosyncratic]

That would be quite the hometown discount. Simons currently makes an average of 25 million a year ($27,678,571 this upcoming season) in his current deal. With inflation, many people are batting around whether it will take him over the 30 million a year number on his next deal. Even if he loves the Magic, I can't imagine him playing for substantially less than even his past contract.

Again, as with all these scenarios I hope I'm wrong. I love Suggs. It's just hard to make the money work with our current three here and an avoidance of the NBA aprons. Something seems like it has to give.

Inflation plus the cap rising in theory should mean contracts go up. But I do wonder if there could be some correction by teams in avoiding overpaying players, especially the offense only combo type due to the new CBA and due to those guys lesser value in the postseason. We'll see I guess, he will want to make more than his previous, though that was an overpay so I don't know if it should be relevant in discussions. I would not love 30 million for Simons or 25 for Sexton. Weltman signing another contract that is instantly negative value would not be ideal IMO.

[orlando_joe]

Well said. People who want to add Simons to our current 3 fail to realize he would need to be extended and that would mean our top 4 is expensive. We have been needing a consolidation trade for years now, so I’m of the mind we can get our third star while shedding weight elsewhere.

That said, I’m open if there is a way to keep Suggs while drastically improving our team long term. The issue is that many of the mid level targets people are wanting would either be rentals or become expensive very fast.

Side note: I want to see the damn new logo. I can’t wait any longer. Hopefully they unveil it before the draft.

Not if Simons/section (and other names mentioned here) extend for less than 90 M over 4 yrs (which they d need to agree before the trade)

That would be quite the hometown discount. Simons currently makes an average of 25 million a year ($27,678,571 this upcoming season) in his current deal. With inflation, many people are batting around whether it will take him over the 30 million a year number on his next deal. Even if he loves the Magic, I can't imagine him playing for substantially less than even his past contract.

Again, as with all these scenarios I hope I'm wrong. I love Suggs. It's just hard to make the money work with our current three here and an avoidance of the NBA aprons. Something seems like it has to give.

not sure his past contract was ever positive after first min he signed it? portland fans have wanted him gone for yrs..and new cba wont get 1 way players of his kind as big of contracts going foward...maybe just me? i do not see him getting 30 mill a yr as a free agent ..the middle role player type guys are going to get less in there 3rd contracts going foward