Jaylen Brown Thread

[chrisab123]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

If there’s a deal to be made for Giannis then pull the trigger. If not then keep him unless Houston offers something insane. I’m talking like Amen, Senguin and others.

[ddb]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

If there’s a deal to be made for Giannis then pull the trigger. If not then keep him unless Houston offers something insane. I’m talking like Amen, Senguin and others.

Wonder if Brown & #32 to Spurs for Vassell/Barnes/#2 would be something the Spurs would be interested in. Then flip #2, Vassell/Barnes/Hauser/Tillman #28 and a future 1st to Bucks for Giannis.

Jrue/White/FA/Giannis/KP
PP/BS//Walsh/Horford
**Tatum

Giannis/Tatum duo would win multiple titles

[chrisab123]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

If there’s a deal to be made for Giannis then pull the trigger. If not then keep him unless Houston offers something insane. I’m talking like Amen, Senguin and others.

Wonder if Brown & #32 to Spurs for Vassell/Barnes/#2 would be something the Spurs would be interested in. Then flip #2, Vassell/Barnes/Hauser/Tillman #28 and a future 1st to Bucks for Giannis.

Jrue/White/FA/Giannis/KP
PP/BS//Walsh/Horford
**Tatum

Giannis/Tatum duo would win multiple titles

That team would be unstoppable. I doubt it happens but yeah.

[ddb]

If there’s a deal to be made for Giannis then pull the trigger. If not then keep him unless Houston offers something insane. I’m talking like Amen, Senguin and others.

Wonder if Brown & #32 to Spurs for Vassell/Barnes/#2 would be something the Spurs would be interested in. Then flip #2, Vassell/Barnes/Hauser/Tillman #28 and a future 1st to Bucks for Giannis.

Jrue/White/FA/Giannis/KP
PP/BS//Walsh/Horford
**Tatum

Giannis/Tatum duo would win multiple titles

That team would be unstoppable. I doubt it happens but yeah.

Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

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Wonder if Brown & #32 to Spurs for Vassell/Barnes/#2 would be something the Spurs would be interested in. Then flip #2, Vassell/Barnes/Hauser/Tillman #28 and a future 1st to Bucks for Giannis.

Jrue/White/FA/Giannis/KP
PP/BS//Walsh/Horford
**Tatum

Giannis/Tatum duo would win multiple titles

That team would be unstoppable. I doubt it happens but yeah.

Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

[ddb]

That team would be unstoppable. I doubt it happens but yeah.

Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

I wonder if there's any possibility that all the noise in the media about 2nd apron and Celts needing to make all these moves and focus on lowering cap hit, is just that....Noise. What do we really know about Chisholm so far? Not much at all. What if he's like, screw it...I want to win another title before I even start thinking or caring about the tax bill. I'm rich as F&ck. Just completed a 6.1 billion dollar deal. Go get me Giannis and we will roll with Jrue/White/Tatum/Giannis/Horford once Tatum gets back.

There's a pathway for this. Think about it. KP was useless for half of his time in Boston because he literally only played half the games. Is he good when he plays? Sure. But for 30M Boston can move off him without it hurting them too much. So, he's naturally the first option to unload to get under the 2nd apron. And why would they want to get under the apron if they don't care about the tax bill? To give Brad Stevens more flexibility to build the roster.

Question for CBA gurus on this board. Can the Celtics duck the Apron, and then after doing deals go right back above the apron? I would think, yes. But I'm not positive.

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Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

I wonder if there's any possibility that all the noise in the media about 2nd apron and Celts needing to make all these moves and focus on lowering cap hit, is just that....Noise. What do we really know about Chisholm so far? Not much at all. What if he's like, screw it...I want to win another title before I even start thinking or caring about the tax bill. I'm rich as F&ck. Just completed a 6.1 billion dollar deal. Go get me Giannis and we will roll with Jrue/White/Tatum/Giannis/Horford once Tatum gets back.

There's a pathway for this. Think about it. KP was useless for half of his time in Boston because he literally only played half the games. Is he good when he plays? Sure. But for 30M Boston can move off him without it hurting them too much. So, he's naturally the first option to unload to get under the 2nd apron. And why would they want to get under the apron if they don't care about the tax bill? To give Brad Stevens more flexibility to build the roster.

Question for CBA gurus on this board. Can the Celtics duck the Apron, and then after doing deals go right back above the apron? I would think, yes. But I'm not positive.

I think aggregating salaries in a trade -- as would be required in ANY deal for Giannis that doesn't include Tatum -- is one of the things that hard-caps you at the second apron.

[Fencer reregistered]

Anyhow, nobody is trading for Jaylen until his knee is resolved.

[ddb]

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

I wonder if there's any possibility that all the noise in the media about 2nd apron and Celts needing to make all these moves and focus on lowering cap hit, is just that....Noise. What do we really know about Chisholm so far? Not much at all. What if he's like, screw it...I want to win another title before I even start thinking or caring about the tax bill. I'm rich as F&ck. Just completed a 6.1 billion dollar deal. Go get me Giannis and we will roll with Jrue/White/Tatum/Giannis/Horford once Tatum gets back.

There's a pathway for this. Think about it. KP was useless for half of his time in Boston because he literally only played half the games. Is he good when he plays? Sure. But for 30M Boston can move off him without it hurting them too much. So, he's naturally the first option to unload to get under the 2nd apron. And why would they want to get under the apron if they don't care about the tax bill? To give Brad Stevens more flexibility to build the roster.

Question for CBA gurus on this board. Can the Celtics duck the Apron, and then after doing deals go right back above the apron? I would think, yes. But I'm not positive.

I think aggregating salaries in a trade -- as would be required in ANY deal for Giannis that doesn't include Tatum -- is one of the things that hard-caps you at the second apron.

I understand that part of it. What I'm wondering is if Brad gets the team back under the apron, then trades for Giannis, and builds out the roster which ultimately goes back over the apron, is that possible?

[Fencer reregistered]

I wonder if there's any possibility that all the noise in the media about 2nd apron and Celts needing to make all these moves and focus on lowering cap hit, is just that....Noise. What do we really know about Chisholm so far? Not much at all. What if he's like, screw it...I want to win another title before I even start thinking or caring about the tax bill. I'm rich as F&ck. Just completed a 6.1 billion dollar deal. Go get me Giannis and we will roll with Jrue/White/Tatum/Giannis/Horford once Tatum gets back.

There's a pathway for this. Think about it. KP was useless for half of his time in Boston because he literally only played half the games. Is he good when he plays? Sure. But for 30M Boston can move off him without it hurting them too much. So, he's naturally the first option to unload to get under the 2nd apron. And why would they want to get under the apron if they don't care about the tax bill? To give Brad Stevens more flexibility to build the roster.

Question for CBA gurus on this board. Can the Celtics duck the Apron, and then after doing deals go right back above the apron? I would think, yes. But I'm not positive.

I think aggregating salaries in a trade -- as would be required in ANY deal for Giannis that doesn't include Tatum -- is one of the things that hard-caps you at the second apron.

I understand that part of it. What I'm wondering is if Brad gets the team back under the apron, then trades for Giannis, and builds out the roster which ultimately goes back over the apron, is that possible?

What I meant by "hard cap" is "No".

[Hal14]

Anyhow, nobody is trading for Jaylen until his knee is resolved.

Luka was on the injured list when he got traded..

KD had a torn achilles when he got traded to the nets..

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Anyhow, nobody is trading for Jaylen until his knee is resolved.

Luka was on the injured list when he got traded..

KD had a torn achilles when he got traded to the nets..

Luka's injury was much lesser.

The Nets didn't give anything near full-value assets for KD (just whatever it took to facilitate a S&T).

[Fencer reregistered]

I think aggregating salaries in a trade -- as would be required in ANY deal for Giannis that doesn't include Tatum -- is one of the things that hard-caps you at the second apron.

I understand that part of it. What I'm wondering is if Brad gets the team back under the apron, then trades for Giannis, and builds out the roster which ultimately goes back over the apron, is that possible?

What I meant by "hard cap" is "No".

That said, I may have been wrong. I think the hard cap is triggered by aggregating salaries in a trade, and I think Jaylen's salary is so close to Giannis' that under the second apron there would be no need to aggregate.

[Bad-Thoma]

I don't want to see JB traded but if it has to happen to make the cap work I'd gamble on letting him lead the team until the trade deadline to inflate (or maybe just restore) his trade value. If he doesn't play that well his value still won't be much lower than trading him while he needs surgery, if he plays well then obviously a better return is possible. The other side of this is that's the point to assess which direction the team should go post all-star break, if Tatum is looking like he can come back for the playoffs and the team is in a solid position then keep JB and gamble on the post season, if the team's record is poor for whatever reason then sell some assets, increase our draft position and play for the following season with a healthy Tatum.

[chrisab123]

That team would be unstoppable. I doubt it happens but yeah.

Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

I’ll say this…if the Celtics do get Giannis then being over the 2nd apron does not matter at all. Any money they get dinged will be doubled in merchandise sales. He’s an international superstar. That said, while Boston has the best offer with Brown if it’s that, Giannis would probably kill the deal if NY Miami or LA are a possibility.

Boston would certainly be higher than SAS but by how much who knows.

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I understand that part of it. What I'm wondering is if Brad gets the team back under the apron, then trades for Giannis, and builds out the roster which ultimately goes back over the apron, is that possible?

What I meant by "hard cap" is "No".

That said, I may have been wrong. I think the hard cap is triggered by aggregating salaries in a trade, and I think Jaylen's salary is so close to Giannis' that under the second apron there would be no need to aggregate.

Actually, trading Jaylen for Giannis without adding on another salary would hardcap the Cs at the FIRST apron.

So yeah -- any Jaylen/Giannis trade would hardcap the Cs at the second apron or below.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/how-nba-teams-become-hard-capped.html

[return2glory]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

Brown doesn't have to be the guy? He usually puts up better numbers when Tatum is out. Brown will be fine, his numbers will be up without Tatum. White will score more also. So will Jrue and KP if they are still with the team. More shots to go around for everyone. Same when Tatum played and Brown was out.

For the record, as much as I like KP, I no longer trust him in the playoffs. He isn't made for playoff basketball because he isn't cut out for the extra physical play come playoffs due the his lack of lower body strength. He easy gets pushed around and gets knocked out of position. That's a reason why he is a not a good low post scorer within 5-7 feet. Most of his low post scoring in the regular season is just inside the free throw line. It's best if Brad can move on from KP. And even Jrue because his game fell off big time last season.

[cloverleaf]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

Brown doesn't have to be the guy? He usually puts up better numbers when Tatum is out. Brown will be fine, his numbers will be up without Tatum. White will score more also. So will Jrue and KP if they are still with the team. More shots to go around for everyone. Same when Tatum played and Brown was out.

For the record, as much as I like KP, I no longer trust him in the playoffs. He isn't made for playoff basketball because he isn't cut out for the extra physical play come playoffs due the his lack of lower body strength. He easy gets pushed around and gets knocked out of position. That's a reason why he is a not a good low post scorer within 5-7 feet. Most of his low post scoring in the regular season is just inside the free throw line. It's best if Brad can move on from KP. And even Jrue because his game fell off big time last season.

Wyc already made clear they'll be clearing salary this offseason.

[return2glory]

I'm pretty torn on the Jaylen Brown front. On one hand I'm excited to see how he does as the #1 option for the first time in his career. He's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player. He's in his prime. With more shots and the ball in his hands more often he should put up better stats. If he can keep the team afloat and in the upper half of the east playoff standings, then his trade value will skyrocket. For anyone in the "trade JB" camp, the trade deadline or next summer may be the better time to do so.
Now, on the flip side. What if he's just not cut out to be "the guy". He's a turnover machine. Team isn't winning like they want to be winning. JB's shooting splits suffer. Then Boston is stuck with that contract long-term and a player with diminishing value.

My guess is he will be good, and value will hold steady. We shall see.

Brown doesn't have to be the guy? He usually puts up better numbers when Tatum is out. Brown will be fine, his numbers will be up without Tatum. White will score more also. So will Jrue and KP if they are still with the team. More shots to go around for everyone. Same when Tatum played and Brown was out.

For the record, as much as I like KP, I no longer trust him in the playoffs. He isn't made for playoff basketball because he isn't cut out for the extra physical play come playoffs due the his lack of lower body strength. He easy gets pushed around and gets knocked out of position. That's a reason why he is a not a good low post scorer within 5-7 feet. Most of his low post scoring in the regular season is just inside the free throw line. It's best if Brad can move on from KP. And even Jrue because his game fell off big time last season.

Wyc already made clear they'll be clearing salary this offseason.

Right. That's the plan. We don't know who will get moved. The most likely are KP, Jrue and Hauser. One of those 3, if not 2 of those 3.

Also there is a chance Al and Kornet don't come back. Unless it's a team friendly deal.

There is a good chance Brown and White are back, unless Brad gets an offer for them that's hard to pass on.

Between the 7 guys I mentioned (Jrue, KP, Hauser, Al, Kornet, Brown and White), there is a good chance:

1. 2 of the 7 aren't going back.
2. Most likely 3 or 4 won't be back.

[ddb]

Giannis to Boston is my new pipe dream. I have a strange feeling that it's out there as a possibility and that Brad Stevens is the big hunter GM type to pursue such an avenue.

The Celtics will be $20 million over the second apron with 9 players. Swapping Jaylen for Giannis would make that $21 million. Signing a couple of centers (Kornet/Horford or otherwise), signing a FRP, and filling out the bench (with or without Davison) would cost nontrivial further money.

Brad can't get all the needed cap room from just one team, and probably not from even two. He'd probably need to trade with the Bucks (core deal), two more teams (one each to rehome Jrue and KP) and yet one or two more (rerouting guys for cap reasons).

I guess an alternative would be to rehome one of Jrue or KP, keep the other, and trade Hauser into somebody's nontaxpayer MLE (or cap room). That could work arithmetically as well, although it would be tighter, and would likely involve just as many teams overall as the first strategy.

I’ll say this…if the Celtics do get Giannis then being over the 2nd apron does not matter at all. Any money they get dinged will be doubled in merchandise sales. He’s an international superstar. That said, while Boston has the best offer with Brown if it’s that, Giannis would probably kill the deal if NY Miami or LA are a possibility.

Boston would certainly be higher than SAS but by how much who knows.

I don't think this narrative about players killing deals to Boston has much for legs anymore.