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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#761 » by twix2500 » Fri May 30, 2025 8:26 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:In order for the Wolves to pull this off they would have to trade Randle and McDaniels. Then whatever young player or pick that’s decided on. There is a path for them if this is the direction they want to go in.



They are a 2nd apron team

They will be under it once Naz Reid opts out. They also have NAW entering free agency.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/timberwolves-offseason-primer-good-problems-to-have/


Unless Naw got a promise from Brooklyn to sign him to a big contract, he will have to think very hard to not wait till summer 2026.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#762 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 30, 2025 9:24 pm

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They are a 2nd apron team

They will be under it once Naz Reid opts out. They also have NAW entering free agency.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/timberwolves-offseason-primer-good-problems-to-have/


Unless Naw got a promise from Brooklyn to sign him to a big contract, he will have to think very hard to not wait till summer 2026.

He’s an outright free agent. If you think Mitchell is worth 10-14 million then Naw will find something similar out there as well.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#764 » by Flash4thewin » Sat May 31, 2025 1:02 am

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The non tax payer MLE sounds about right.

He was the only bright spot in the playoffs for us. He avg 15/6 with incredible defense. If he continues to improve that contract becomes one of the best deals in the NBA. He is getting paid this offseason.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#766 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 1:28 am

Duncan Robinson

CONTRACT NOTES
2025-26: Early Termination Option (deadline 6/29/25)
2025-26: $9,888,000 guaranteed, fully guaranteed two days after 2025 moratorium ends (deadline 7/8/2025)

These details are very important as it pertains to Davion Mitchell. The 10 million from Duncan’s contract will be needed if the Heat are planning to match an MLE or even offer something slightly below during the moratorium. Duncan has until 6/29 to exercise his ETO. Of course he won’t be exercising it leaving the Heat up until 7/8 to trade his contract before the deadline or release him for the 10 mil savings to sign Mitchell and draft pick and stay under the tax threshold. Heat will be forced to make a decision either way and won’t be able to take Duncan’s contract past that deadline without major tax ramifications.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#767 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 1:40 am

As of today we are currently 9.4 million under the tax line with 13 roster spots committed. Once Mitchell is tendered the 8.7 that leaves us right at the threshold. With Duncan’s 10 mil in savings that gives the extra wiggle room to match or negotiate a fair market deal with Mitchell. Problem is that 10 mil in wiggle room starts to go away fast. 4 mil of that now has to be earmarked to draft pick. If we are lucky after negotiating with Mitchell to have maybe a few mil left over to sign a few vet min players roster spots permitting. Everything else will be via trades. Mitchell and draft pick will make up the 13th and 14th roster spots prior to trades. Duncan leaves the vacated roster spot if released.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#768 » by twix2500 » Sat May 31, 2025 1:42 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:As of today we are currently 9.4 million under the tax line with 13 roster spots committed. Once Mitchell is tendered the 8.7 that leaves us right at the threshold. With Duncan’s 10 mil in savings that gives the extra wiggle room to match or negotiate a fair market deal with Mitchell. Problem is that 10 mil in wiggle room starts to go away fast. 4 mil of that now has to be earmarked to draft pick. If we are lucky after negotiating with Mitchell to have maybe a few mil left over to sign a few vet min players roster spots permitting. Everything else will be via trades.
Haw are you gonna sign a few veteran players when you have 15 man roster

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#769 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 1:45 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:As of today we are currently 9.4 million under the tax line with 13 roster spots committed. Once Mitchell is tendered the 8.7 that leaves us right at the threshold. With Duncan’s 10 mil in savings that gives the extra wiggle room to match or negotiate a fair market deal with Mitchell. Problem is that 10 mil in wiggle room starts to go away fast. 4 mil of that now has to be earmarked to draft pick. If we are lucky after negotiating with Mitchell to have maybe a few mil left over to sign a few vet min players roster spots permitting. Everything else will be via trades.
Haw are you gonna sign a few veteran players when you have 15 man roster

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Duncan getting released opens up a roster spot. Then we will have to see what happens after trades. Case in point there’s not going to be much cap left over under the tax line to do much signing wise after Mitchell and draft pick. Maybe with trades it frees up more wiggle room but if the trade deadline taught us anything it cost to get off of salary. We don’t have assets to be throwing away to get off salary. We are going to pay the price this year for not being able to shave that last 2.8 million out of the tax at the trade deadline.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#770 » by twix2500 » Sat May 31, 2025 2:10 am

Here is one of the reasons the Heat are interested in DeRozan his 2026-27 salary: $10,000,000 guaranteed, $12,000,000 guaranteed if makes All-Star in 2025 OR 2026.
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Post#771 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat May 31, 2025 2:14 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:It's surprises me that fans (not all, but in reality should be none) prefer to trade bam before herro. Makes zero sense to me.


I was asking this the other day based on what each player has been able to do in and Heat jersey pretty much but didn’t get a legitimate answer, I’m not sure what it is with Herro. Sounds like neither are going anywhere though and Herros about to get his $50M a year extension

The reality is that neither guy is a can't miss franchise player, so its a fair question because of the other variables. Those being age (Herro is a couple years younger), contract (this is a loaded question, but at least as of right now, Herro is on the better deal, obviously his extension is a massive question mark and can instantly swing this in Bam's favor, although Bam is still also arguably overpaid on a team that really lacks a franchise guy), and what you can get in return (Bam is the better and more portable player, and his contract issue isn't a question mark like Tyler's is, so he'll bring in the bigger haul for sure).

I don't think anyone on this board thinks Bam isn't better or more valuable than Tyler (maybe 1 or 2 posters, and its still probably more of a push to them, or they just specifically don't like Bam), but he's not a guy you can say for sure we need to keep forever. Maybe if we already had his running mate you could, but especially without it, Bam's not polished or aggressive enough to be more than a #3 option on a championship team, and his defense, while great, isn't enough to anchor a contender without the offense already solved.

Bottom line, there may not be a way to maximize Bam's window. Also last point potentially in Tyler's favor though I think its a wash, but more just a concern for Bam, he's a hyper athletic big. And those types tend to not age all that well (think Amare in years past, or Dwight Howard). I hope that's not the case for Bam, but it is a little worrying.

In an ideal world, we get an Antman or Luka somehow next year (2026 I mean), either Tyler slides to second option or we deal him for someone else who does, and Bam can be in his ideal role with a team that is in its prime and ready to rock. But a lot of that is fantasy, and a long ways away.

Still not a fan of the KD thing though...
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#772 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 2:15 am

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In order for us to be able to sign someone like NAW we would have to renounce Mitchell and release Duncan to free up 20 million and giving us immediate access to the non tax payer MLE.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#773 » by marson » Sat May 31, 2025 2:18 am

twix2500 wrote:Here is one of the reasons the Heat are interested in DeRozan his 2026-27 salary: $10,000,000 guaranteed, $12,000,000 guaranteed if makes All-Star in 2025 OR 2026.


These are rough times. And this is coming from someone who's not even a fan of trading for KD, but I’d still rather take that risk than go after DeRozan. He’s just not a winning player, and his fit next to Bam and Ware in the front court doesn’t make sense
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#774 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat May 31, 2025 2:28 am

DeRozan would be a nice final piece on a team that needed a solid 6th man and was already a contender. That team is not us. He'd also make a great tank commander, except he also messes up the 2026 offseason which is a potential Luka free agency. He just doesn't make sense.

Unpopular opinion, I think we end up making no big moves this offseason, to the chagrin of many here, and run it back. My personal hope if that is the case, let it be a developmental season for Niko/Jaime/Kel'el, let Bam/Tyler have all the rest they need, and hopefully we go like 30-50.

At least for 2025-2026... let's suck.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#775 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 3:19 am

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twix2500 wrote:Here is one of the reasons the Heat are interested in DeRozan his 2026-27 salary: $10,000,000 guaranteed, $12,000,000 guaranteed if makes All-Star in 2025 OR 2026.


These are rough times. And this is coming from someone who's not even a fan of trading for KD, but I’d still rather take that risk than go after DeRozan. He’s just not a winning player, and his fit next to Bam and Ware in the front court doesn’t make sense

DeRozan is just a chit move on all fronts. Swapping Wiggins for DeRozan’s partial guarantees for what? Better off just swapping Wiggins for a true expiring and pick.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#776 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 3:21 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:DeRozan would be a nice final piece on a team that needed a solid 6th man and was already a contender. That team is not us. He'd also make a great tank commander, except he also messes up the 2026 offseason which is a potential Luka free agency. He just doesn't make sense.

Unpopular opinion, I think we end up making no big moves this offseason, to the chagrin of many here, and run it back. My personal hope if that is the case, let it be a developmental season for Niko/Jaime/Kel'el, let Bam/Tyler have all the rest they need, and hopefully we go like 30-50.

At least for 2025-2026... let's suck.

When Riley said not running it back he really just meant not bringing Duncan back lol. I have DeRozan and Valencuinas pegged to be traded to the Lakers. He’ll come off the bench for his hometown team. He certainly ain’t doing that here
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#777 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 3:35 am

Wiggins will have interest in the trade market from contending teams. He’s basically heading into a contract year with his player option. He needs to be traded for Durant or swapped for some true expiring contracts. Clippers could be a good spot for Wiggins.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#778 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 3:57 am

C Ware C Anderson C Love
PF Bam PF Jovic PF K Johnson
SF Wiggins SF Jaquez SF Highsmith
SG Herro SG Larrson
PG Mitchell PG Rozier PG 1st rd pick

14 with Mitchell resigned, 1st rd pick, and Duncan dropped. Rozier, Anderson, and Highsmith are 40 million in expiring contracts.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#779 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 2:22 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#780 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat May 31, 2025 2:53 pm

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-cap-space-landscape-the-outlook-for-each-nba-team/

Not many teams will have cap space or access to the MLE. Detroit i would say poses the biggest threat to sign Mitchell to offer sheet. Does Detroit really want to spend that type of money on a backup to Cunningham? I think we are in the driver’s seat to let the market dictate Mitchell’s value. Honestly think we may be able to come to a decent contract pretty quickly before he even test the limited market.

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