Zion Williamson accused of rape and other abuses

[Lala870]

Will generally be sceptical when these claims are made against high profile people, especially when it's 'years' later.

The damage this does to the accused without any evidence (yet) is always bad.

This this and this. Literally half the NBA at this point have women crying wolf. This is getting old.

Beyond obvious quite a few of the higher profile ones are scripted.

social media has been the biggest scourge on the planet in recorded history

[CobraCommander]

https://www.tiktok.com/@moriahmilly/video/7358953438832708910

HE is dumber than I thought

In america he is innocent until proven guilty...but he has proven himself to be a big dummy- because he was not dealing with quality in his private life....we all know who Jane Doe is because she ONLY let her true FANS know who she was dating

[Wingy]

Ok. So given that, it would make a lot more sense to see posts like this one from rand below, than always seeing a bunch like ‘she’s looking for money,’ this doubt, that doubt, I’m just going to immediately doubt the accuser.

Eh let the court systems decide. I got no opinion either way. Every draft pick every player you sign is a risk.

Right and ignore all the posts that say "Zion's just a headache, he probably did do something, we have to hear the victim out" etc. Or even just the common sense approach, which is to examine the actual documented history of this accuser, as posted by another poster in this thread, with her admitting in the past to extorting money from Zion.

While I agree with the quote you selected, to be perfectly honest, in this case there actually is enough evidence (unlike in others of this nature) where you can throw a lot of doubt towards this accuser. In fact, the only case I'd say people are being unfair is if it somehow isn't also Moriah Mills accusing him, and she's all but admitted it now.

I think this misses one of the most important points.

Real victims see this kind of talk, and even _if_ this particular accuser is flimsy, false, what have you…it can negatively impact their fear, pain, guilt, shame, trauma, etc. Because people rush to judge someone else that states they have been in the same shoes.

Before people jump in to say, well…they prob aren’t anything like this Zion person…are we really going to believe that rape victims love spending their time digging into rape stories and looking into the credibility of accusers? I’m gonna take a giant leap and say ‘no.’

[Himothy Duncan]

Here we go. Another money hungry woman, like clockwork.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Ok. So given that, it would make a lot more sense to see posts like this one from rand below, than always seeing a bunch like ‘she’s looking for money,’ this doubt, that doubt, I’m just going to immediately doubt the accuser.

Right and ignore all the posts that say "Zion's just a headache, he probably did do something, we have to hear the victim out" etc. Or even just the common sense approach, which is to examine the actual documented history of this accuser, as posted by another poster in this thread, with her admitting in the past to extorting money from Zion.

While I agree with the quote you selected, to be perfectly honest, in this case there actually is enough evidence (unlike in others of this nature) where you can throw a lot of doubt towards this accuser. In fact, the only case I'd say people are being unfair is if it somehow isn't also Moriah Mills accusing him, and she's all but admitted it now.

I think this misses one of the most important points.

Real victims see this kind of talk, and even _if_ this particular accuser is flimsy, false, what have you…it can negatively impact their fear, pain, guilt, shame, trauma, etc. Because people rush to judge someone else that states they have been in the same shoes.

Before people jump in to say, well…they prob aren’t anything like this Zion person…are we really going to believe that rape victims love spending their time digging into rape stories and looking into the credibility of accusers? I’m gonna take a giant leap and say ‘no.’

But again the opposite is also true. Real con artists can look at this case, and Moriah Mills, and say “that’s a payday waiting to happen”. There are entire forums dedicated to stalking athletes for girls just like that. Again, it’s a very gray issue, not black and white at all.

[Rainwater]

Given the type of women he associates himself with this is not shocking. And civil case not criminal despite statute of limitations not being up makes it more of a money grab.

[Wingy]

But again the opposite is also true. Real con artists can look at this case, and Moriah Mills, and say “that’s a payday waiting to happen”. There are entire forums dedicated to stalking athletes for girls just like that. Again, it’s a very gray issue, not black and white at all.

So maybe athletes should take some personal responsibility and not **** anything that has a nice rack and ass knowing full well this stuff is out there???

The league literally trains them on this stuff when they come in as rookies.

This article is from 1991:

https://time.com/archive/6719082/the-dangerous-world-of-wannabes/

The N.B.A. has a mandatory rookie orientation program that includes a seminar on AIDS and a dramatized enactment of problems a player may face regarding women and friends.

Some stars admit that there is only so much teams can or should do. “Players have to take more responsibility for themselves,” says Knicks guard Gerald Wilkins. “That’s just the bottom line. No woman can ever be caught with a guy if the guy doesn’t want her to be there. It’s just that simple.” Kevin Johnson of the Phoenix Suns concurs. “Nobody’s forcing anybody to do anything,” he says. “We have to be in charge of our own bodies.”

[GeorgeSears]

Destroyed his career. One of the great natural talents who took everything for granted.

The negative press just continues to pile up on him.

[Rainwater]

So he did all of this and she doesn’t go to the police but sues him? Okay. I’m skeptical.

I always wonder how people decide civil vs criminal.

Used to be if I am thinking straight, related to how long ago it happened. Statute of limitations stuff. Cause you can do BOTH. Look at OJ. All the more reason to be skeptical imo.

Yeah, they can do both yet they only do civil is a big red flag. The only counter argument I have is that the burden of proof in a civil case is less but why not try if it really happened? But I am not a lawyer.

[Rainwater]

But again the opposite is also true. Real con artists can look at this case, and Moriah Mills, and say “that’s a payday waiting to happen”. There are entire forums dedicated to stalking athletes for girls just like that. Again, it’s a very gray issue, not black and white at all.

So maybe athletes should take some personal responsibility and not **** anything that has a nice rack and ass knowing full well this stuff is out there???

The league literally trains them on this stuff when they come in as rookies.

This article is from 1991:

https://time.com/archive/6719082/the-dangerous-world-of-wannabes/

The N.B.A. has a mandatory rookie orientation program that includes a seminar on AIDS and a dramatized enactment of problems a player may face regarding women and friends.

Some stars admit that there is only so much teams can or should do. “Players have to take more responsibility for themselves,” says Knicks guard Gerald Wilkins. “That’s just the bottom line. No woman can ever be caught with a guy if the guy doesn’t want her to be there. It’s just that simple.” Kevin Johnson of the Phoenix Suns concurs. “Nobody’s forcing anybody to do anything,” he says. “We have to be in charge of our own bodies.”

Funny Kevin Johnson is saying this lol

[heatwillbeback]

I always wonder how people decide civil vs criminal.

Used to be if I am thinking straight, related to how long ago it happened. Statute of limitations stuff. Cause you can do BOTH. Look at OJ. All the more reason to be skeptical imo.

Yeah, they can do both yet they only do civil is a big red flag. The only counter argument I have is that the burden of proof in a civil case is less but why not try if it really happened? But I am not a lawyer.

Unless the harm is documented (photos, medical visits) it’s incredibly difficult to get prosecutors to file charges. So it being civil only doesn’t mean much in my opinion. They are different standards of proof, and dating to alleged abuse years later, this was likely the only real option available.


I have no real idea if it’s real or not, but this isn’t proof one way or another.

[Wingy]

Funny Kevin Johnson is saying this lol

Forgot about that. Yeah, guy shoulda eaten his own dog food.

[dhsilv2]

Used to be if I am thinking straight, related to how long ago it happened. Statute of limitations stuff. Cause you can do BOTH. Look at OJ. All the more reason to be skeptical imo.

Yeah, they can do both yet they only do civil is a big red flag. The only counter argument I have is that the burden of proof in a civil case is less but why not try if it really happened? But I am not a lawyer.

Unless the harm is documented (photos, medical visits) it’s incredibly difficult to get prosecutors to file charges. So it being civil only doesn’t mean much in my opinion. They are different standards of proof, and dating to alleged abuse years later, this was likely the only real option available.


I have no real idea if it’s real or not, but this isn’t proof one way or another.

Proof no...but if you wait years, you don't WANT to do criminal if just because again you were abused and they are CRIMINALS! It feels odd.

[leolozon]

Will generally be sceptical when these claims are made against high profile people, especially when it's 'years' later.

The damage this does to the accused without any evidence (yet) is always bad.

This this and this. Literally half the NBA at this point have women crying wolf. This is getting old.

Beyond obvious quite a few of the higher profile ones are scripted.

social media has been the biggest scourge on the planet in recorded history

Literally half??

Please show 200 + accusations, else learn what literally means.

[Infinite Llamas]

But again the opposite is also true. Real con artists can look at this case, and Moriah Mills, and say “that’s a payday waiting to happen”. There are entire forums dedicated to stalking athletes for girls just like that. Again, it’s a very gray issue, not black and white at all.

So maybe athletes should take some personal responsibility and not **** anything that has a nice rack and ass knowing full well this stuff is out there???

The league literally trains them on this stuff when they come in as rookies.

This article is from 1991:

https://time.com/archive/6719082/the-dangerous-world-of-wannabes/

The N.B.A. has a mandatory rookie orientation program that includes a seminar on AIDS and a dramatized enactment of problems a player may face regarding women and friends.

Some stars admit that there is only so much teams can or should do. “Players have to take more responsibility for themselves,” says Knicks guard Gerald Wilkins. “That’s just the bottom line. No woman can ever be caught with a guy if the guy doesn’t want her to be there. It’s just that simple.” Kevin Johnson of the Phoenix Suns concurs. “Nobody’s forcing anybody to do anything,” he says. “We have to be in charge of our own bodies.”

Funny Kevin Johnson is saying this lol

Gerald Wilkins has since been arrested for punching a woman in the face too.

No confidence in that program if these are the two “role models”

[Infinite Llamas]

Will generally be sceptical when these claims are made against high profile people, especially when it's 'years' later.

The damage this does to the accused without any evidence (yet) is always bad.

This this and this. Literally half the NBA at this point have women crying wolf. This is getting old.

Beyond obvious quite a few of the higher profile ones are scripted.

social media has been the biggest scourge on the planet in recorded history

Literally half??

Please show 200 + accusations, else learn what literally means.

We don’t see this stuff happening to other stars like Lebron and Jokic and Shai and Tatum…

…maybe clowns like Zion are just an easy target because everyone knows he’s gonna do something dumb

Half the league though? No way. These woman targeting athletes know the easy marks and there are many stars they won’t waste their time with because they aren’t morons.

[Lala870]

Will generally be sceptical when these claims are made against high profile people, especially when it's 'years' later.

The damage this does to the accused without any evidence (yet) is always bad.

This this and this. Literally half the NBA at this point have women crying wolf. This is getting old.

Beyond obvious quite a few of the higher profile ones are scripted.

social media has been the biggest scourge on the planet in recorded history

Literally half??

Please show 200 + accusations, else learn what literally means.

This thread really belongs in the OT/politics section because there is only one direction you can take things beyond a certain point

very surprised the mods let this chill in the GB and then I would likely get hit with a ban for going into political stuff or get flamed into oblivion (mod condoned)

[The Servant]

I'll hold off until the details come out, this stuff happens to athletes sometimes but we have also seen athletes do stuff as well. Could go either way but Zion has made some poor decisions in the past.

[KGtabake]

Moriah Mills must be sent to prison.
They must make an example out of her.
Zion Williamson is an idiot.
But this case has all the makings of a set-up.
Zion needs someone who will teach him a thing or two about maturity.

[RingoKid]

Both things can be true...

Williamson is a rapist and violent abuser of Ms Doe.
Ms Doe is an extortionate chancer who sees an easy mark in Zion.

Me, i could give zero effs. Never been a fan of the guy or his game.