FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025

[Fadeaway_J]

Feels too deep

How so? It wipes out a lot of prime seasons for players who spent most or all of their careers with one franchise. Without digging deeper, I was wondering if it was deep enough.

I think by default any draft that doesn't really exclude players but only enables to draft them under different conditions is going to be loaded.

In the pool of players who switched teams mid prime is not that small.

Trying to break it done, thinking about it quickly here you got for example prime versions of LBJ MJ Garnett Kawhi Shaq Durant Harden Luka Barkley Nash Butler McGrady Paul George Davis, among others. This list makes it sound ok but should test it further.

BTW is Kawhi eligible for the Spurs? Is Luka eligible for 24' or 25'?

That doesn't seem particularly deep. A few of those like T-Mac and Nash aren't amazing seasons either.

[Laimbeer]

Feels too deep

How so? It wipes out a lot of prime seasons for players who spent most or all of their careers with one franchise. Without digging deeper, I was wondering if it was deep enough.

I think by default any draft that doesn't really exclude players but only enables to draft them under different conditions is going to be loaded.

In the pool of players who switched teams mid prime is not that small.

Trying to break it done, thinking about it quickly here you got for example prime versions of LBJ MJ Garnett Kawhi Shaq Durant Harden Luka Barkley Nash Butler McGrady Paul George Davis, among others. This list makes it sound ok but should test it further.

BTW is Kawhi eligible for the Spurs? Is Luka eligible for 24' or 25'?

My thought was your last eligible season for any franchise you played for, but that season cannot be 2025. So Spurs Kawhi is eligible and Luka would be 2024? Not a stickler on this, if someone wants to run it they can iron out the details.

[durantbird]

How should we handle comebacks? Should KG 07' be eligible?

[Fadeaway_J]

How should we handle comebacks? Should KG 07' be eligible?

Not to my mind

[Snakebites]

Two draft themed options:


Only players drafted by teams drafting in the lottery of this draft are eligable, though any season can be used (not necessarily from that team). For instance, Kobe is available in this draft due to being selected by the Hornets. Dirk is unavailable because he was drafted by the Bucks, not the Mavericks.

Mavs
Spurs
Sixers
Hornets
Jazz
Wizards
Pelicans
Nets
Raptors
Rockets
Blazers
Bulls
Hawks

It can be adjusted to include picks further in the first round if people feel this pool is too shallow or too deep. Major stars in the pool: Jordan, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Malone, Embiid, CP3, AD, Hakeem, Walton, Drexler, Luka.

OR for something more spicey-

Owed Draft Pick Pairs Draft

Pair draft- All pairs selected must come from the following pairs, who owe top 25 picks to one another in the upcoming draft. Once again only players DRAFTED by these teams are eligable- no Lebron in this draft because no Cleveland. No Kawhi because no Indiana. No Chauncey because no Boston. Etc.

Rockets/Suns
Hawks/Kings
Spurs/Hawks
Thunder/Heat
Timberwolves/Pistons
Wizards/Grizzlies
Nets/Bucks
Heat/Warriors
Jazz/Wolves
Hawks/Lakers
Thunder/Clippers
Magic/Nuggets

Once again, this can easily be adjusted- the cutoff at the 25 pick is arbitrary- could be moved up or down depending on how deep a pool we want. This includes 19 different francises, but only players drafted by those franchises are avaialable. The cutoff could move up or down depending on how deep a pool you want to have- highly participation flexible. Cutting it off at 20 eliminates the last 4 pairs on this list and brings the total franchises included down to 14.

[durantbird]

Two draft themed options:


Only players drafted by teams drafting in the lottery of this draft are eligable, though any season can be used (not necessarily from that team). For instance, Kobe is available in this draft due to being selected by the Hornets. Dirk is unavailable because he was drafted by the Bucks, not the Mavericks.

Mavs
Spurs
Sixers
Hornets
Jazz
Wizards
Pelicans
Nets
Raptors
Rockets
Blazers
Bulls
Hawks

It can be adjusted to include picks further in the first round if people feel this pool is too shallow or too deep. Major stars in the pool: Jordan, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Malone, Embiid, CP3, AD, Hakeem, Walton, Drexler, Luka.

OR for something more spicey-

Owed Draft Pick Pairs Draft

Pair draft- All pairs selected must come from the following pairs, who owe top 25 picks to one another in the upcoming draft. Once again only players DRAFTED by these teams are eligable- no Lebron in this draft because no Cleveland. No Kawhi because no Indiana. No Chauncey because no Boston. Etc.

Rockets/Suns
Hawks/Kings
Spurs/Hawks
Thunder/Heat
Timberwolves/Pistons
Wizards/Grizzlies
Nets/Bucks
Heat/Warriors
Jazz/Wolves
Hawks/Lakers
Thunder/Clippers
Magic/Nuggets

Once again, this can easily be adjusted- the cutoff at the 25 pick is arbitrary- could be moved up or down depending on how deep a pool we want. This includes 19 different francises, but only players drafted by those franchises are avaialable. The cutoff could move up or down depending on how deep a pool you want to have- highly participation flexible. Cutting it off at 20 eliminates the last 4 pairs on this list and brings the total franchises included down to 14.

I like the concepts of a lottery draft and an owned picks draft. But I find it a bit challenging to rely on who drafted who, especially in a pairs draft concept. Might be manageable outside a pairs scope but still requires research.

[Snakebites]

Two draft themed options:


Only players drafted by teams drafting in the lottery of this draft are eligable, though any season can be used (not necessarily from that team). For instance, Kobe is available in this draft due to being selected by the Hornets. Dirk is unavailable because he was drafted by the Bucks, not the Mavericks.

Mavs
Spurs
Sixers
Hornets
Jazz
Wizards
Pelicans
Nets
Raptors
Rockets
Blazers
Bulls
Hawks

It can be adjusted to include picks further in the first round if people feel this pool is too shallow or too deep. Major stars in the pool: Jordan, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Malone, Embiid, CP3, AD, Hakeem, Walton, Drexler, Luka.

OR for something more spicey-

Owed Draft Pick Pairs Draft

Pair draft- All pairs selected must come from the following pairs, who owe top 25 picks to one another in the upcoming draft. Once again only players DRAFTED by these teams are eligable- no Lebron in this draft because no Cleveland. No Kawhi because no Indiana. No Chauncey because no Boston. Etc.

Rockets/Suns
Hawks/Kings
Spurs/Hawks
Thunder/Heat
Timberwolves/Pistons
Wizards/Grizzlies
Nets/Bucks
Heat/Warriors
Jazz/Wolves
Hawks/Lakers
Thunder/Clippers
Magic/Nuggets

Once again, this can easily be adjusted- the cutoff at the 25 pick is arbitrary- could be moved up or down depending on how deep a pool we want. This includes 19 different francises, but only players drafted by those franchises are avaialable. The cutoff could move up or down depending on how deep a pool you want to have- highly participation flexible. Cutting it off at 20 eliminates the last 4 pairs on this list and brings the total franchises included down to 14.

I like the concepts of a lottery draft and an owned picks draft. But I find it a bit challenging to rely on who drafted who, especially in a pairs draft concept. Might be manageable outside a pairs scope but still requires research.

It’s listed at the top of every player profile on B-ball reference.

Not hard to keep track of at all.no more resource intensive than any other premise. We’ve done a draft based on which franchise a player was drafted by before.

[durantbird]

Two draft themed options:


Only players drafted by teams drafting in the lottery of this draft are eligable, though any season can be used (not necessarily from that team). For instance, Kobe is available in this draft due to being selected by the Hornets. Dirk is unavailable because he was drafted by the Bucks, not the Mavericks.

Mavs
Spurs
Sixers
Hornets
Jazz
Wizards
Pelicans
Nets
Raptors
Rockets
Blazers
Bulls
Hawks

It can be adjusted to include picks further in the first round if people feel this pool is too shallow or too deep. Major stars in the pool: Jordan, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Malone, Embiid, CP3, AD, Hakeem, Walton, Drexler, Luka.

OR for something more spicey-

Owed Draft Pick Pairs Draft

Pair draft- All pairs selected must come from the following pairs, who owe top 25 picks to one another in the upcoming draft. Once again only players DRAFTED by these teams are eligable- no Lebron in this draft because no Cleveland. No Kawhi because no Indiana. No Chauncey because no Boston. Etc.

Rockets/Suns
Hawks/Kings
Spurs/Hawks
Thunder/Heat
Timberwolves/Pistons
Wizards/Grizzlies
Nets/Bucks
Heat/Warriors
Jazz/Wolves
Hawks/Lakers
Thunder/Clippers
Magic/Nuggets

Once again, this can easily be adjusted- the cutoff at the 25 pick is arbitrary- could be moved up or down depending on how deep a pool we want. This includes 19 different francises, but only players drafted by those franchises are avaialable. The cutoff could move up or down depending on how deep a pool you want to have- highly participation flexible. Cutting it off at 20 eliminates the last 4 pairs on this list and brings the total franchises included down to 14.

I like the concepts of a lottery draft and an owned picks draft. But I find it a bit challenging to rely on who drafted who, especially in a pairs draft concept. Might be manageable outside a pairs scope but still requires research.

It’s listed at the top of every player profile on B-ball reference.

Not hard to keep track of at all.

Bbref also keeps those as special list pages. Still more challenging and I think too challenging for a pairs draft, because unlike seasons in teams, it's something I personally don't always remember fully

[Snakebites]

I like the concepts of a lottery draft and an owned picks draft. But I find it a bit challenging to rely on who drafted who, especially in a pairs draft concept. Might be manageable outside a pairs scope but still requires research.

It’s listed at the top of every player profile on B-ball reference.

Not hard to keep track of at all.

Bbref also keeps those as special list pages. Still more challenging and I think too challenging for a pairs draft, because unlike seasons in teams, it's something I personally don't always remember fully

Ah okay. So it's not that it requires a lot of research.

It's that it requires some amount of research. If we're at the stage in these games were even relatively minimal B-ball reference research is a non-starter I think I'm gonna get bored with these real quick.

I dunno. It seemed fitting that a draft themed game be based on, well, drafting. If that's not wanted it's fine.

[durantbird]

It’s listed at the top of every player profile on B-ball reference.

Not hard to keep track of at all.

Bbref also keeps those as special list pages. Still more challenging and I think too challenging for a pairs draft, because unlike seasons in teams, it's something I personally don't always remember fully

Ah okay. So it's not that it requires a lot of research.

It's that it requires some amount of research. If we're at the stage in these games were even relatively minimal B-ball reference research is a non-starter I think I'm gonna get bored with these real quick.

I dunno. It seemed fitting that a draft themed game be based on, well, drafting. If that's not wanted it's fine.

As I said, for me it works with the first idea. Might even be fine with the pairs draft, and maybe it's just me that feels it's too much. You can give it a try

[Snakebites]

Bbref also keeps those as special list pages. Still more challenging and I think too challenging for a pairs draft, because unlike seasons in teams, it's something I personally don't always remember fully

Ah okay. So it's not that it requires a lot of research.

It's that it requires some amount of research. If we're at the stage in these games were even relatively minimal B-ball reference research is a non-starter I think I'm gonna get bored with these real quick.

I dunno. It seemed fitting that a draft themed game be based on, well, drafting. If that's not wanted it's fine.

As I said, for me it works with the first idea. Might even be fine with the pairs draft, and maybe it's just me that feels it's too much. You can give it a try

There's another factor that reduces the research for this one- don't have to worry about specific seasons. All seasons for a given player are just available.

A player being drafted by at team is all that is necessary- any season can be used.

I dunno- maybe I'm off base. I don't mind a little difference in research. For what it's worth we've done a pairs draft with this premise before- the only difference is the pairs were from the same franchise rather than different ones.

At the end of the day it does not matter how viable an idea I think it is if nobody wants to play.

[durantbird]

Draft Night Trades Draft: Each pair comes from opposite sides of a major draft-night trade.

1. Bulls – Thunder (Scottie Pippen ↔ Olden Polynice, 1987)


2. Hornets – Lakers (Kobe Bryant ↔ Vlade Divac, 1996)


3. Bucks – Timberwolves (Ray Allen ↔ Stephon Marbury, 1996)


4. Bucks – Mavericks (Dirk Nowitzki ↔ Robert Traylor, 1998)


5. Spurs – Pacers (Kawhi Leonard ↔ George Hill, 2011)


6. Mavericks – Hawks (Luka Dončić ↔ Trae Young + pick, 2018)


7. Magic – Warriors (Chris Webber ↔ Penny Hardaway + picks, 1993)



We can also adjust this by removing or replacing trades for a tighter pool.

[Snakebites]

Draft Night Trades Draft: Each pair comes from opposite sides of a major draft-night trade.

1. Bulls – Thunder (Scottie Pippen ↔ Olden Polynice, 1987)


2. Hornets – Lakers (Kobe Bryant ↔ Vlade Divac, 1996)


3. Bucks – Timberwolves (Ray Allen ↔ Stephon Marbury, 1996)


4. Bucks – Mavericks (Dirk Nowitzki ↔ Robert Traylor, 1998)


5. Spurs – Pacers (Kawhi Leonard ↔ George Hill, 2011)


6. Mavericks – Hawks (Luka Dončić ↔ Trae Young + pick, 2018)


7. Magic – Warriors (Chris Webber ↔ Penny Hardaway + picks, 1993)



We can also adjust this by removing or replacing trades for a tighter pool.

I like it.

Seems like activity level on this forum has reached a nadir with 2 straight games failing to hit 8 participants.

Might be worth a shot though.

[Laimbeer]

Draft Night Trades Draft: Each pair comes from opposite sides of a major draft-night trade.

1. Bulls – Thunder (Scottie Pippen Olden Polynice, 1987)


2. Hornets – Lakers (Kobe Bryant Vlade Divac, 1996)


3. Bucks – Timberwolves (Ray Allen Stephon Marbury, 1996)


4. Bucks – Mavericks (Dirk Nowitzki Robert Traylor, 1998)


5. Spurs – Pacers (Kawhi Leonard George Hill, 2011)


6. Mavericks – Hawks (Luka Dončić Trae Young + pick, 2018)


7. Magic – Warriors (Chris Webber Penny Hardaway + picks, 1993)



We can also adjust this by removing or replacing trades for a tighter pool.

Seems like all of these ended up pretty darn one-sided.

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[Fadeaway_J]

Draft Night Trades Draft: Each pair comes from opposite sides of a major draft-night trade.

1. Bulls – Thunder (Scottie Pippen ↔ Olden Polynice, 1987)


2. Hornets – Lakers (Kobe Bryant ↔ Vlade Divac, 1996)


3. Bucks – Timberwolves (Ray Allen ↔ Stephon Marbury, 1996)


4. Bucks – Mavericks (Dirk Nowitzki ↔ Robert Traylor, 1998)


5. Spurs – Pacers (Kawhi Leonard ↔ George Hill, 2011)


6. Mavericks – Hawks (Luka Dončić ↔ Trae Young + pick, 2018)


7. Magic – Warriors (Chris Webber ↔ Penny Hardaway + picks, 1993)



We can also adjust this by removing or replacing trades for a tighter pool.

I like it.

Seems like activity level on this forum has reached a nadir with 2 straight games failing to hit 8 participants.

Might be worth a shot though.

It is a good group of pairs. I feel like six or seven pairs is generally ideal, providing the pool is strong enough.

[durantbird]

I think I'll remove either GSW Magic or Bucks TWolves

[durantbird]

Seems like all of these ended up pretty darn one-sided.

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When you're trading a player at draft night, and he turns out to be a historic one, it makes sense that it's lopsided. The ones that seem closest to being fair are Webber Penny and Luka Trae.

BTW Charlotte traded at draft night both Kobe and SGA. Didn't include SGA trade because his destination team traded him in the more significant trade a year later

[Fadeaway_J]

I think I'll remove either GSW Magic or Bucks TWolves

Is that because the pool is too loaded?

Of those seven, I'd say the least consequential in terms of impact on the NBA landscape was Allen-Marbury.

[durantbird]

I think I'll remove either GSW Magic or Bucks TWolves

Is that because the pool is too loaded?

Of those seven, I'd say the least consequential in terms of impact on the NBA landscape was Allen-Marbury.

Yeah I think we will benefit from a less loaded pool.

[durantbird]

Might need to wait a while before trying a new draft signup, but here are two ideas inspired by the finals and conference finals:

1. State Franchises

All franchises that have a state name in their official name / refer to a state.

Indiana Pacers, Oklahoma City Thunder, Minnesota Timberwolves, New York Knicks, Utah Jazz.

Optional inclusions: Washington Wizards (different state), Golden State Warriors (name refers to California but isn't explicit).

Might need to do something like "every player who ever played there" depending on the franchise list to get a proper pool.

2. OKC Indy Draft

All players drafted need to be in a year where OKC/Seattle or Indy reached the finals. Excluding this year.

That is, 1978, 1979, 1996, 2000, 2012. Optimally include ABA finals years for Indy: 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1975.