Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[djFan71]

Non Giannis trade.

BOS in: 22, Okogie, Niang, $24.8M in savings
BOS out: KP, Hauser, 28

ATL in: KP, Hauser, 28, Nick Smith Jr
ATL out: Niang, Mann, 22

CHA in: Mann
CHA out: Okogie, Nick Smith Jr

ATL gets 2 really good players for not much.
CHA gets 1 good player for not much, but adds salary this year and following 2.
BOS gets under apron and moves up in the draft.

Atlanta may owe a little more, but nothing substantial. Maybe sub 32 for 28? Give us a future 2nd???
Niang and Okogie are both expiring, < MLE salary and playable. They could be dumped easily if Jrue trade gets us close to ducking the tax.

[ThePigeon]

I think that 2 skills that are missed widely and will make a return to beat OCK type of defense is a player that can score in the paint with a back to the basket and a player that can pass the ball inside
I want both

I see a lot of basketball (NBA, Europe) and there are really few players that can score like McHale, Kareem, Malone etc (I know they are HOFs but I am talking skill set) and even less players that can get the ball inside. There so many missmatches of big guarded by small but no one can pass the ball inside

[chrisab123]

The Giannis to the Celtics stuff doesn't make much sense to me, for a number of reasons:

1) They'd have to get under the 2nd apron to make the money work in a Brown-Giannis trade, which would mean flat dumping either KP or Jrue for little or nothing back. That will not being easy, it may costs assets just to dump one of them. Even if they do that then....
2) Why would the Bucks want to do a Giannis-Brown trade? If they are trading Giannis its to rebuild, not to get back a lesser player who's not their franchise legend and only two years younger and paid the same. And if your response to this is "well, they could flip Brown" then sure, but they could also just skip that middle part and trade Giannis for assets. Speaking of which....
3) A Brown-Giannis swap would take more assets from the C's, but their first-round picks with Giannis would suck. The Bucks own so few of their own firsts that any Giannis trade really would have to get high quality firsts back in return, that's why SAS, OKC or HOU make so much sense. They all have OTHER TEAM's picks to trade. Boston has nothing like that to offer. But...
4) Even if they did would Giannis really want to burn one of his last prime years (age 31 next year) waiting for Tatum's Achilles to heal? This idea made more sense before Tatum went down for the year. If Giannis is forcing his way out its hard to believe its so he can essentially take a gap year.

TLDR: The financials, the lack of the right sort of assets and both teams' situation moving forward make this trade seem very, very, unlikely.

Well…the Bucks don’t own their picks for a while…so tanking probably won’t be in the cards.

[NYG]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

[Fierce1]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

Not allowed.

Both teams over the cap.

[GoCeltics123]

If we're going to trade Jaylen, which I doubt we will, something like this would make sense (especially in the wake of the Zion stuff, if Dumars wants a face of the franchise who is reliable):

Celtics: Trey Murphy, Herb Jones
Pels: Jaylen

[NYG]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

Not allowed.

Both teams over the cap.

In the multi-team deal I have it would work, but I'm not sold on Boston's portion so figured I would get some feedback on the value.

[neno]

If we're going to trade Jaylen, which I doubt we will, something like this would make sense (especially in the wake of the Zion stuff, if Dumars wants a face of the franchise who is reliable):

Celtics: Trey Murphy, Herb Jones
Pels: Jaylen

I would skip work and drive jaylen to Orleans myself

[brackdan70]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

I think a first round pick for swap rights is a bit much, even to completely clear the 30 million off the books.
I’d say tighten the protections…Lotto protected for 2 years then turns into a second. Or Lotto protected for two years then turns into a swap (Can teams do that?)
Or can a decent second round pick come to the Celtics in 26 or 27.
On the other hand hand it is a lot of Salary….and on the third hand Porzingis if healthy is a really good player.

[NYG]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

I think a first round pick for swap rights is a bit much, even to completely clear the 30 million off the books.
I’d say tighten the protections…Lotto protected for 2 years then turns into a second. Or Lotto protected for two years then turns into a swap (Can teams do that?)
Or can a decent second round pick come to the Celtics in 26 or 27.
On the other hand hand it is a lot of Salary….and on the third hand Porzingis if healthy is a really good player.

What about lotto protected then top 4?

[brackdan70]

I'm working on a multi-team deal where Boston's portion is...

Boston sends: Kristaps Porzginis and 2026 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2027 becomes unprotected)
Boston gets: Right to swap 2030 first round picks with the Milwaukee Bucks

Would the Celtics consider that considering they would be dumping Porzingis outright?

I think a first round pick for swap rights is a bit much, even to completely clear the 30 million off the books.
I’d say tighten the protections…Lotto protected for 2 years then turns into a second. Or Lotto protected for two years then turns into a swap (Can teams do that?)
Or can a decent second round pick come to the Celtics in 26 or 27.
On the other hand hand it is a lot of Salary….and on the third hand Porzingis if healthy is a really good player.

What about lotto protected then top 4?

I am maybe too high on the 2026 draft, but I really like it….and with Tatum out there is a chance the Celtics pick in high teens early 20s….which I think they can get a really good player there. That gives me some heartburn trading that pick.
Can I ask who are the other teams and players involved? Which team is sucking up the bulk of the Salary?

[threrf23]

Just a quick thought, Giannis would likely appreciate being reunited with Jrue, after losing Middleton last year...which is likely why the Bucks are rumored to have interest in trading for Jrue.

If we are getting Giannis, then I think we should keep Jrue, which makes some sense as is...I imagine KP becomes the salary dump as Giannis is the new KP.

Granted, would be cool to pair Giannis with a healthy KP, KP serving as a help defender behind Giannis is appealing defensively, he'd be Brook Lopez but he moves quicker.

It's painful to say it, but if we were moving Jaylen for Giannis, I wonder if it would make sense to push DWhite to the Spurs for Stephon Castle. Actually, I think it would.

Actually, it might be worth consideration as is, if the Spurs are open. They have depth at the wing, and would end up choosing between DWhite & Vassell in the Ginobili role.

[NYG]

I think a first round pick for swap rights is a bit much, even to completely clear the 30 million off the books.
I’d say tighten the protections…Lotto protected for 2 years then turns into a second. Or Lotto protected for two years then turns into a swap (Can teams do that?)
Or can a decent second round pick come to the Celtics in 26 or 27.
On the other hand hand it is a lot of Salary….and on the third hand Porzingis if healthy is a really good player.

What about lotto protected then top 4?

I am maybe too high on the 2026 draft, but I really like it….and with Tatum out there is a chance the Celtics pick in high teens early 20s….which I think they can get a really good player there. That gives me some heartburn trading that pick.
Can I ask who are the other teams and players involved? Which team is sucking up the bulk of the Salary?

Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected)

[brackdan70]

What about lotto protected then top 4?

I am maybe too high on the 2026 draft, but I really like it….and with Tatum out there is a chance the Celtics pick in high teens early 20s….which I think they can get a really good player there. That gives me some heartburn trading that pick.
Can I ask who are the other teams and players involved? Which team is sucking up the bulk of the Salary?

Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected)

Thanks. If we can route 34 to the Celtics rather than Kings then I would sign off, but this seems really good for Utah….very Ainge.
That 2026 1st is really one of the Celtics best assets….
After Tatum, White, Brown. It’s hard for me to part with it as a Salary dump. The Variance in those Bucks Swap rights is interesting for sure. I appreciate the effort.

[keevsnick1]

The Giannis to the Celtics stuff doesn't make much sense to me, for a number of reasons:

1) They'd have to get under the 2nd apron to make the money work in a Brown-Giannis trade, which would mean flat dumping either KP or Jrue for little or nothing back. That will not being easy, it may costs assets just to dump one of them. Even if they do that then....
2) Why would the Bucks want to do a Giannis-Brown trade? If they are trading Giannis its to rebuild, not to get back a lesser player who's not their franchise legend and only two years younger and paid the same. And if your response to this is "well, they could flip Brown" then sure, but they could also just skip that middle part and trade Giannis for assets. Speaking of which....
3) A Brown-Giannis swap would take more assets from the C's, but their first-round picks with Giannis would suck. The Bucks own so few of their own firsts that any Giannis trade really would have to get high quality firsts back in return, that's why SAS, OKC or HOU make so much sense. They all have OTHER TEAM's picks to trade. Boston has nothing like that to offer. But...
4) Even if they did would Giannis really want to burn one of his last prime years (age 31 next year) waiting for Tatum's Achilles to heal? This idea made more sense before Tatum went down for the year. If Giannis is forcing his way out its hard to believe its so he can essentially take a gap year.

TLDR: The financials, the lack of the right sort of assets and both teams' situation moving forward make this trade seem very, very, unlikely.

Well…the Bucks don’t own their picks for a while…so tanking probably won’t be in the cards.

But that's just another reason why they wouldn't be interested in a package primarily built around a player. If Giannis isn't good enough to get them out of the first round, then a team built around Jaylen instead won't be any better. The fact that they don't have their own picks should heavily incentive them to pursue trades where they'd get good high upside picks back in return, which is something Boston can't offer.

To put it another way: Lets say they trade Jaylen for Giannis....then what? They have no picks to trade, no cap space to use, they are stuck just the same place they are now just with a worse player as your cornerstone (and a guy who isn't beloved by your Franchise like Giannis). On the other hand if you trade Giannis for a draft pick heavy haul and expiring contracts then you can both get high upside picks to build around and expiring contracts you can use to generate more picks down the line.

The only way Giannis to the Celtics happen is if Giannis were to push for it, that might lower his value enough that the Bucks have to deal with Boston. But Giannis doesn't strike me as that sort of guy, and Tatum being out next year is a complication.

[redslastlaugh]

If we do a Jrue trade, I think the Clippers rumor makes the most sense if we're going down the obvious route of breaking one long Jrue contract into a collection of expirings and small money deals.

If LAC waives Drew Eubanks unguaranteed deal, I think they have to room to do a very simple swap of:

Bogdan Bodganovic
Kris Dunn

+ one smaller contract player, either Jordan Miller, Cam Christie or Kobe Brown
for
Jrue Holiday

LAC has Kawhi for 2 more years and they just want to advance in the playoffs, make some noise before the Harden/Kawhi era runs out... and Jrue for next two years actually makes sense for them. After the next two seasons, Jrue's an expiring and James/Kawhi are gone ... so it's not that arduous a contract for them. Clippers makes the most sense for wanting Jrue, to me anyway.

[NotAKnicksFan]

In this instance you trade jaylen for high pick and / or prospect or mix , etc

With additions from boston or something, and key would be giannis wanting east coast vs west

Jaylen to houston
Hauser to houston
Pritchard to houston


Number 10 houston
No 28 - from boston
Future 1st from boston
Future 1st from boston
Van fleet
Jabari smith
Reed shepard

To milwaukee

Giannis
Bobby portis

To boston

Trade porzingis for a tpe and use it to aquire marcus smart from wiz


Jrue / Smart
White / Smart
Tatum
Giannis
Portis / horford

[djFan71]

If we do a Jrue trade, I think the Clippers rumor makes the most sense if we're going down the obvious route of breaking one long Jrue contract into a collection of expirings and small money deals.

If LAC waives Drew Eubanks unguaranteed deal, I think they have to room to do a very simple swap of:

Bogdan Bodganovic
Kris Dunn

+ one smaller contract player, either Jordan Miller, Cam Christie or Kobe Brown
for
Jrue Holiday

LAC has Kawhi for 2 more years and they just want to advance in the playoffs, make some noise before the Harden/Kawhi era runs out... and Jrue for next two years actually makes sense for them. After the next two seasons, Jrue's an expiring and James/Kawhi are gone ... so it's not that arduous a contract for them. Clippers makes the most sense for wanting Jrue, to me anyway.

3 team with Pellies works too. We get KO and Dunn, save $13.5. Pellies get Bogdan (and can even take Eubanks). Possibly they owe a 2nd to us as well?

We can flip KO into an MLE later, probably get another 2nd.

[NotAKnicksFan]

Bucke get a plethora of picks from boston , # 10 this year from rockets , reed shephard and jabari , they can then flip van fleet for another piece/prospect pick

[ConstableGeneva]

If we do a Jrue trade, I think the Clippers rumor makes the most sense if we're going down the obvious route of breaking one long Jrue contract into a collection of expirings and small money deals.

If LAC waives Drew Eubanks unguaranteed deal, I think they have to room to do a very simple swap of:

Bogdan Bodganovic
Kris Dunn

+ one smaller contract player, either Jordan Miller, Cam Christie or Kobe Brown
for
Jrue Holiday

LAC has Kawhi for 2 more years and they just want to advance in the playoffs, make some noise before the Harden/Kawhi era runs out... and Jrue for next two years actually makes sense for them. After the next two seasons, Jrue's an expiring and James/Kawhi are gone ... so it's not that arduous a contract for them. Clippers makes the most sense for wanting Jrue, to me anyway.

3 team with Pellies works too. We get KO and Dunn, save $13.5. Pellies get Bogdan (and can even take Eubanks). Possibly they owe a 2nd to us as well?

We can flip KO into an MLE later, probably get another 2nd.

Why are we even flipping KO when he should be retiring as a Celtic after leading us to Banner 19? **** the tax savings.