2025 NBA Draft (2)

[mjkvol]

I can save you! Let me find the video showing Kon literally falling on his face as he trips over his own feet trying to do dribble moves!

I will warn you, one highlight/lowlight does not make the man. Otherwise Queen is Hakeem and Ace is a YMCA scrub when Derik sent an Ace fadeaway shot back into his face.

Actually a pretty well balanced video review for Kon. Kon definitely has the intangibles for IQ and hustle which I love. The section that had me laughing started at 8:59 minute marker. The C&S is also a huge plus when looked at in our team context. Still digging in on him and others.

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I love him, but he's clearly going to have issues defensively on-ball. Funny, but I remember Bird being hunted relentlessly at times, and when playing the Sixers he always guarded the worst offensive player on the floor. Bird was an elite off-ball defensive player, and with his BB IQ, that needs to be the area where Kon can make himself playable on defense. Not that I'm comparing Kon to Bird, just a point of reference.

[sodmoraes]

Kon will be good, but he screams roleplayer to me. And he blatantly avoided going to the Combine so his agility numbers wouldnt be exposed, so i´m not going to reward that. You dont draft him at 3rd. And even if we trade down, whats the point? when will we be in a situation to draft that high again? With a highpick you gotta swing for the fences. You can get a good player like him in free agency every year. I saw a good post about it in the draft forum that i agree:

I don't think this is too complicated, if youre drafting top 3, you take Ace and hope he continues to develop the baseline skills to reach his ceiling, unless you think there is someone else with a comparable ceiling to Ace available

yes, we can probably all agree that he's gotta take some huge leaps to get there and chances are he won't, but drafting a roleplayer instead because youre too scared to take a chance on Ace does nothing for your franchise.

you draft Ace, hope he's the next Paul George and if he's not you tried the ceiling play and missed out on a roleplayer, whatever.

[Iverson Armband]

Kon will be good, but he screams roleplayer to me. And he blatantly avoided going to the Combine so his agility numbers wouldnt be exposed, so i´m not going to reward that. You dont draft him at 3rd. And even if we trade down, whats the point? when will we be in a situation to draft that high again? With a highpick you gotta swing for the fences. You can get a good player like him in free agency every year. I saw a good post about it in the draft forum that i agree:

I don't think this is too complicated, if youre drafting top 3, you take Ace and hope he continues to develop the baseline skills to reach his ceiling, unless you think there is someone else with a comparable ceiling to Ace available

yes, we can probably all agree that he's gotta take some huge leaps to get there and chances are he won't, but drafting a roleplayer instead because youre too scared to take a chance on Ace does nothing for your franchise.

you draft Ace, hope he's the next Paul George and if he's not you tried the ceiling play and missed out on a roleplayer, whatever.

There is no chance Morey takes Kon at #3 so I’m not even worried about it lol. It’s going to be Ace or Tre.

[Jailblazers7]

I think this is where I’m at with each player likely being debated at 3:

Ace - coin flip for me. I like the tools and eye test but his metrics and the Rutgers situation leave me wanting. A wing combo of Edwards and Ace does get me exited tho.

Tre - being 6’6” with that shot is hard to pass up. But the combo of his inability to get to the rim & finish + terrible defense makes him a pass for me at 3.

VJ - would probably be my pick. Love his athleticism, attitude, and he flashes enough potential across the board to convince me he’s the right choice

Kon - like him a lot and think he’ll be an excellent pro but you’d like to draft someone with a higher ceiling at 3. If Morey drafts him I’ll trust that he sees additional upside that I don’t

[FireMorey]

I'm shocked at how many people here love VJ. Not because I don't think he can be a good player, but because of this franchise's history with recent draft picks who have limited or flaws in their offensive games and how it's worked out. And how fans have felt about those types of players. VJ may end up being a very good all around player but I think even some of his stans will admit he has a lower offensive ceiling than some of the other guys in this range.

And how exasperated this fan base grew with Ben Simmons because his offensive upside was capped. Nerlens Noel could never figure it out offensively and it drove fans nuts. Matisse Thybulle. Guys like Zhaire Smith and Springer. Obviously Springer was a much later pick, but still. I think VJ will probably be a better offensive player than all of those guys, but I don't see any world in which he ever becomes a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA. And I think even if VJ is a really good defensive player and is a monster on the fast break and open court, if he's the type of guy where his weekly scoring stat lines in year 3 go something like:

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There is no chance this fan base is going to be satisfied with the pick. They'll talk themselves into his upside for a while like everyone did with Thybulle(LOL I remember there were some people who said they'd rather keep Thybulle than Maxey) but if VJ is the type of guy who maxes out only getting you 16 a night, this fan base is going to lament the pick. I know how Sixers fans think. Not when he was taken with a #3 pick in a draft.

[Negrodamus]

I'm shocked at how many people here love VJ. Not because I don't think he can be a good player, but because of this franchise's history with recent draft picks who have limited or flaws in their offensive games and how it's worked out. And how fans have felt about those types of players. VJ may end up being a very good all around player but I think even some of his stans will admit he has a lower offensive ceiling than some of the other guys in this range.

And how exasperated this fan base grew with Ben Simmons because his offensive upside was capped. Nerlens Noel could never figure it out offensively and it drove fans nuts. Matisse Thybulle. Guys like Zhaire Smith and Springer. Obviously Springer was a much later pick, but still. I think VJ will probably be a better offensive player than all of those guys, but I don't see any world in which he ever becomes a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA. And I think even if VJ is a really good defensive player and is a monster on the fast break and open court, if he's the type of guy where his weekly scoring stat lines in year 3 go something like:

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There is no chance this fan base is going to be satisfied with the pick. They'll talk themselves into his upside for a while like everyone did with Thybulle(LOL I remember there were some people who said they'd rather keep Thybulle than Maxey) but if VJ is the type of guy who maxes out only getting you 16 a night, this fan base is going to lament the pick. I know how Sixers fans think. Not when he was taken with a #3 pick in a draft.

There really aren’t any players at our pick who have few flaws in their offensive game. Kon might honestly be the closest one.

[Iverson Armband]

VJ’s defense isn’t even that good. But he’s supposed to be this defensive prospect, don’t see it. So his offense and defense are suspect and people want to draft that guy over Ace or Tre? I wouldn’t take him in the top 8. Guess nobody learned their lesson from Zhaire Smith.

[Arsenal]

VJ's upside looks like Derrick White or Jalen Suggs. Potentially a good player but not good enough upside for a #3 overall pick.

[FireMorey]

VJ has a higher floor than Bailey I think. Because at least I think he can play defense and be a playable switchable guy on D and help in the open court and play above the rim and hit open C&S 3's. I think Bailey's absolute low point is a guy who flat out never cuts it in the NBA. But I have very little doubt his offensive upside is higher. As is Tre's. As is Kon's. Those guys can just hit shots that VJ can't. They're coordinated. VJ can't really do anything offensively off the dribble. No pull up game. No fade away. No tear drop. No step back. The guy basically has to develop a complete offensive arsenal where most other guys in the range have some things in their bag already. VJ's offense is basically straight line drives to the rim or catch and shoot open 3's.

I'm just not willing to gamble on a guy who needs that much offensive development.

[NYSixersFan]

My first post since the draft lottery....

I don't want any of these guys at #3. Trade the pick or trade down.

If forced to stay at 3, I guess I'd have to take Ace.

[LeonJordanJr24]

This about star potential in which Ace has not about highest floor. Ace looks like he can be a #1 option in the future and has massive potential as a two player. Oh and he can shoot so to me he's can't miss at 3 if Harper is gone.

[Snotbubbles]

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I don't think anyone doubts the kid can score, but there's two ends of a basketball court.

I can see this kid posting a bunch of box scores like Mathurin had in game 4 against the Knicks. 12 minutes, 20 points, and -2.

[Snotbubbles]

I can save you! Let me find the video showing Kon literally falling on his face as he trips over his own feet trying to do dribble moves!

I will warn you, one highlight/lowlight does not make the man. Otherwise Queen is Hakeem and Ace is a YMCA scrub when Derik sent an Ace fadeaway shot back into his face.

Actually a pretty well balanced video review for Kon. Kon definitely has the intangibles for IQ and hustle which I love. The section that had me laughing started at 8:59 minute marker. The C&S is also a huge plus when looked at in our team context. Still digging in on him and others.

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I'm all over the place with Kon. I think at the worst he'll be 10 year NBA player who can shoot. I may have been a little hard on him in another thread when I said his NBA career would be like Georges Niang. Then someone gave a Tyler Herro comp. I don't think he'll be a star, but I wouldn't hate if the Sixers traded down and he was the guy they got. He's not my first choice in this draft, but I think his floor is higher than some of the guys ahead of him but he'll hit his head on that low ceiling I think he has.

[Arsenal]

Our 2nd rounder at #35 overall has been devalued due to all the players selling out for NIL money instead of staying in the draft.

Of the guys now likely to be available I'm looking at:
PF Boboljub Markovic
PF Adou Thiero
SF Alex Toohey
CE Yanic Konan Neiderhauser
SG John Tonje
SF Jamir Watkins

Guys likely no longer available because they'll move up in the draft:
SG Drake Powell
PG Ben Saraf
CE Maxime Raynaud
SF Noah Penda
CE Ryan Kalkbrenner

Pure looking at stats John Tonje stands out. 6'6" SG w/6'9" wingspan and 8'7" standing reach. Stats: .647 TS, .562 EFG, .499 3PAr, .579 FTAr.

Anyone have a scouting report on Tonje? Can he defend?

[okboomer]

If they think Tre can be a net neutral on defense, draft him. He's very slim so it may take awhile though.

[the_process]

If they think Tre can be a net neutral on defense, draft him. He's very slim so it may take awhile though.

If they stay at 3, draft the guy with the highest offensive potential. That is Tre. The rest of the summer will be setting correct expectations that this guy isn't getting a ton of court time this coming year.

[Negrodamus]

I can save you! Let me find the video showing Kon literally falling on his face as he trips over his own feet trying to do dribble moves!

I will warn you, one highlight/lowlight does not make the man. Otherwise Queen is Hakeem and Ace is a YMCA scrub when Derik sent an Ace fadeaway shot back into his face.

Actually a pretty well balanced video review for Kon. Kon definitely has the intangibles for IQ and hustle which I love. The section that had me laughing started at 8:59 minute marker. The C&S is also a huge plus when looked at in our team context. Still digging in on him and others.

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Yea, if he had a 6’9 wingspan I could point to Klay as an intriguing ceiling. If he had a +40’ vert, Bsne would be an interesting comp. I think he has a better all around game than Luke Kennard did coming out of Duke.

I honestly think he’d be great in a starting lineup with Maxey and PG. His connective passing along with his lights out shooting suggest they’d be killer on offense with enough length and distruption to cover Kon on defense, particularly early on.

Does that equate to a #3 pick? Idk, it’s about as good as you can get from the people available it seems. I’m not wild about it but I do think his offense will 100% translate.

[Jailblazers7]

I agree that VJ is a flawed prospect and wouldn’t blink twice if those flaws led to us selecting someone else. But comparing him to Zhaire is unfair imo.

[okboomer]

If they think Tre can be a net neutral on defense, draft him. He's very slim so it may take awhile though.

If they stay at 3, draft the guy with the highest offensive potential. That is Tre. The rest of the summer will be setting correct expectations that this guy isn't getting a ton of court time this coming year.

I think that's kind of difficult to do when someone is drafted 3rd overall. Not like anyone will believe them anyways. Im leaning VJ though if they think Tre has the mentality to be a average defender draft him if they dont trade down.

[sodmoraes]

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Pretty detailed and unbiased analysis of Bailey, showing his strenghts and weaknesses. I think he´s a little bit harsh on his potential, saying he doesnt have a high ceiling because he´s not a good playmaker and not efficient. Player development is dynamic, not static. A lot of this high ranked players come with weak points, but it doesnt mean they cant get better. Bailey can improve, but he has a lot of good tools already to be a productive player.

He thinks he has a high floor, since he´s already good with CS 3s, defending, rebounding and cutting. I agree and i think he can replace Oubre almost right off the bat, since he will probably be a good 3&D beginning his career, and he will be a good cutter, and i think he´s already a better shooter than Oubre from 3.

If he cant improve his weaknesses he will still be a good player, but i still think his ceiling is high, since he´s so good shooting that mid range jumper, and his handle and shooting selection can improve. He will learn a lot with PG too, so thats a bonus.