Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm not sorry. Our biggest problem with shooting is Paolo and Franz are NOT good regular season shooters. Just adding another known commodity is not going to change the gravity problem unless the shooter is once in a lifetime.

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

I wasn't high on Tyus Jones because I don't think he is a solid facilitator, but he would be a solid shooter from the PG position and can handle the ball.

[basketballRob]

DeSantis mentioned Orlando as a possible destination for the Tampa Bay Rays.

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They asked Orange County for a ton of money....I say bye have fun!

Why? It's paid with the tourist tax anyway. They can only expand the Orange County Convention Center so much. Plus, I'm not in the hospitality industry, but I still need to deal with the traffic from them. Why don't I get something out of it.

The tourist tax brought in $358m last year. Orange County can only use that money for certain things that bring in more tourism, like stadiums and arenas.

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[BadMofoPimp]

DeSantis mentioned Orlando as a possible destination for the Tampa Bay Rays.

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They asked Orange County for a ton of money....I say bye have fun!

Why? It's paid with the tourist tax anyway. They can only expand the Orange County Convention Center so much. Plus, I'm not in the hospitality industry, but I still need to deal with the traffic from them. Why don't I get something out of it?

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I think Eyriq knows the Hospitality industry. May need his input. But, I drive that way often and traffic is still much easier than Tampa or Miami which are nightmares.

[basketballRob]

They asked Orange County for a ton of money....I say bye have fun!

Why? It's paid with the tourist tax anyway. They can only expand the Orange County Convention Center so much. Plus, I'm not in the hospitality industry, but I still need to deal with the traffic from them. Why don't I get something out of it?

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I think Eyriq knows the Hospitality industry. May need his input. But, I drive that way often and traffic is still much easier than Tampa or Miami which are nightmares.

Orange County has a huge advantage to get stadiums because of the tourist tax they levy on the hotel rooms.

I hated going to the Rays stadium because of the huge bridge you need to go over to get there.

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[BadMofoPimp]

A thing of note. Isaac, WCJ and Paolo are some of the worst rated shooters in the NBA. For Paolo, he just chucks shot after shot. Would like him to be more of a team player instead of trying to constantly take over the Offense. Not that the Magic had shooters to begin with. Slim and WCJ we already know about their deficiencies.



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https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzc0irn467c3f1.jpeg

[JoshuaPotter]

I'm not sorry. Our biggest problem with shooting is Paolo and Franz are NOT good regular season shooters. Just adding another known commodity is not going to change the gravity problem unless the shooter is once in a lifetime.

Please let them be working on reciprical pick-and-roll sets all off-season long. This is not brain science. Those two playing off each other is un-guardable!

That should be the A1 set for this team.

Why they haven't at this point is beyond me.

[JoshuaPotter]

I'm not sorry. Our biggest problem with shooting is Paolo and Franz are NOT good regular season shooters. Just adding another known commodity is not going to change the gravity problem unless the shooter is once in a lifetime.

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

We will remain a bottom tier 3pt team until they get up to the league average. There is no other way unless both players flat out stop shooting the 3-ball.

[pepe1991]

I'm not sorry. Our biggest problem with shooting is Paolo and Franz are NOT good regular season shooters. Just adding another known commodity is not going to change the gravity problem unless the shooter is once in a lifetime.

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

We will remain a bottom tier 3pt team until they get up to the league average. There is no other way unless both players flat out stop shooting the 3-ball.

"elite yet"

They aren't even close to be average ones. Franz is one of worst high volume shooters in nba from range.

Among +500 nba players who played only 27 players fit 3 criteria:
minimum 25 games played
minimum 5 - 3 FGA a game
below 32% accuracy


Do you know , among 27, hom many of them are on Magic?
4- Franz, Paolo, Suggs and Jett Howard.

Do you know where Magic big 3 falls in "most shots among them" category?
2# Suggs
6# Banchero
7# Franz

You simply can't have good offense with cumulative 18 - 3FGA taken by players who combine for 30% for 3.

There are only 3 solutions:
1) all need to get much better
2) all need to shoot MUCH less
3) at least one of them has to go

[JoshuaPotter]

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

We will remain a bottom tier 3pt team until they get up to the league average. There is no other way unless both players flat out stop shooting the 3-ball.

"elite yet"

They aren't even close to be average ones. Franz is one of worst high volume shooters in nba from range.

Among +500 nba players who played only 27 players fit 3 criteria:
minimum 25 games played
minimum 5 - 3 FGA a game
below 32% accuracy


Do you know , among 27, hom many of them are on Magic?
4- Franz, Paolo, Suggs and Jett Howard.

Do you know where Magic big 3 falls in "most shots among them" category?
2# Suggs
6# Banchero
7# Franz

You simply can't have good offense with cumulative 18 - 3FGA taken by players who combine for 30% for 3.

There are only 3 solutions:
1) all need to get much better
2) all need to shoot MUCH less
3) at least one of them has to go

Did you mean to mainly quote Eyriq in this? Or were you adding to my comment and making a side swipe to Eyriq?

I'm not sure. But if these numbers are accurate I am also not surprised.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

A thing of note. Isaac, WCJ and Paolo are some of the worst rated shooters in the NBA. For Paolo, he just chucks shot after shot. Would like him to be more of a team player instead of trying to constantly take over the Offense. Not that the Magic had shooters to begin with. Slim and WCJ we already know about their deficiencies.



Not sure why image not showing up, but here is the link

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzc0irn467c3f1.jpeg

I’m confused how to read the image. It the stats going from okay to worst or worst to okay? Giannis had a great shooting year, not sure why he’s on the list unless they are accounting for free throws.

Paolo needs a point guard. I’m about tired of him taking forever to figure it what he wants to do only to shoot a bad mid-range shot. But I need him to work on shooting around the rim all summer long.

[pepe1991]

We will remain a bottom tier 3pt team until they get up to the league average. There is no other way unless both players flat out stop shooting the 3-ball.

"elite yet"

They aren't even close to be average ones. Franz is one of worst high volume shooters in nba from range.

Among +500 nba players who played only 27 players fit 3 criteria:
minimum 25 games played
minimum 5 - 3 FGA a game
below 32% accuracy


Do you know , among 27, hom many of them are on Magic?
4- Franz, Paolo, Suggs and Jett Howard.

Do you know where Magic big 3 falls in "most shots among them" category?
2# Suggs
6# Banchero
7# Franz

You simply can't have good offense with cumulative 18 - 3FGA taken by players who combine for 30% for 3.

There are only 3 solutions:
1) all need to get much better
2) all need to shoot MUCH less
3) at least one of them has to go

Did you mean to mainly quote Eyriq in this? Or were you adding to my comment and making a side swipe to Eyriq?

I'm not sure. But if these numbers are accurate I am also not surprised.

It was more replay to Eriq but also adding context to your post

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=GP*GE*25:FG3_PCT*LE*32:FG3A*GE*4&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=A&sort=FG3A

stats

[eyriq]

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

We will remain a bottom tier 3pt team until they get up to the league average. There is no other way unless both players flat out stop shooting the 3-ball.

"elite yet"

They aren't even close to be average ones. Franz is one of worst high volume shooters in nba from range.

Among +500 nba players who played only 27 players fit 3 criteria:
minimum 25 games played
minimum 5 - 3 FGA a game
below 32% accuracy


Do you know , among 27, hom many of them are on Magic?
4- Franz, Paolo, Suggs and Jett Howard.

Do you know where Magic big 3 falls in "most shots among them" category?
2# Suggs
6# Banchero
7# Franz

You simply can't have good offense with cumulative 18 - 3FGA taken by players who combine for 30% for 3.

There are only 3 solutions:
1) all need to get much better
2) all need to shoot MUCH less
3) at least one of them has to go

The volume and accuracy are a problem, no doubt. But the idea that one of them has to go is overkill. They're 22 and 23, not finished products. The fix is adding real shooters around them so every miss doesn't tank spacing. Let them grow without acting like they're liabilities.

[Skybox]

I'm not sorry. Our biggest problem with shooting is Paolo and Franz are NOT good regular season shooters. Just adding another known commodity is not going to change the gravity problem unless the shooter is once in a lifetime.

That’s fair to call out, Paolo and Franz aren’t elite shooters yet, and that does limit their gravity in certain contexts. But the league is filled with high-functioning offenses built around stars who aren't knockdown shooters (see: Giannis, Jimmy). The difference is they’re surrounded by consistent floor spacers and release valves who punish overhelp.

We don’t need a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. We need 2–3 reliable, high-volume threats who keep defenses honest. That’s what opens up driving lanes, improves rhythm, and makes Paolo and Franz’s reads easier, not because they’re perfect shooters, but because they’re star-level initiators who can punish mismatches if the floor isn’t collapsed.

I wasn't high on Tyus Jones because I don't think he is a solid facilitator, but he would be a solid shooter from the PG position and can handle the ball.

FANTASTIC facilitator - that's what he's mostly known for...selective scorer and tiny, poor defender...but always at the top of the assist/turnover charts - every year.

[jonbob17]

If we add a scoring guard. I want a legitimate scoring guard.
First, check in on Kyrie. He's got a year left. I wonder if Dallas may pivot after winning the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. They have the assets to move ceiling down the road, and possibly significantly higher. He is out for half the season, but it would let our guys get more work in and then give us an injection late. The intention would have to be to resign with bird rights.

2. Check in with Phoenix. Who knows. They really only have one path forward and its painful. If I were them I'd really consider moving Booker and Durant. I don't think they will move Booker, but I'd be calling about Beal. He's a good player....with one fatal flaw...he gets paid like an all time great, well that and he has a no trade clause.

3. Wild card...Big dominoes are going to fall this summer and salary matching is going to be tough. There could be really good players used to faciliate bigger trades. Miami is always homerun shopping, maybe they get involved on Giannis and Herro becomes part of the equation, with our picks headed to Milwaukee. There are not a lot of teams with space, It's like Brooklyn and then creativity, and there are going to be a lot of teams that need to duck and cover, like the Celtics.

4. And talking about how grim the salary cap landscape is teams may decline team options on good players to free up space. There are not a lot of guys out there, the Magic have surprising number of club options. Fred Van Vleet. I am not sure what the right number is for him, but it is likely way south of the big deal he previously got, sign and trade

5. This is where I think i pivot, and this probably should be ahead of number 4. We upgrade another position. Huge risk/reward. Porzingis. I think he is viewed as a negative trade asset, and Boston probably would prefer the stable road. The Magic surely don't need the injury risk...BUT he's also one of the best bigs in the league and would be a really nice fit next to Paolo and Franz. The Magic would probably need a lower name facilitator guard, like a Jones...or maybe the think Franz/PB/KP is enough. I thought KAT would have been a sneaky add last offseason, i am not current on the NYK capsheet, but i imagine way off the market now.

6. This is kind of the meh...we gotta do something option. This is where I roll the dice on offense / no defense guys. I am hoping we don't get here. This is Simons, Poole(barf), I'd almost rather go after a Beasley or Isaiah Joe. I'd rather overpay for a Monk or anybody like that.

7. Prune around the edges, but mostly run it back. We can't be the worst shooting team of the last quarter century. Make the open ones. If we are in the top 25 in three point % and attempts we are probably a top 4 seed in the East...though Detroit is threatening.

[Black and Blue]

If we add a scoring guard. I want a legitimate scoring guard.
First, check in on Kyrie. He's got a year left. I wonder if Dallas may pivot after winning the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. They have the assets to move ceiling down the road, and possibly significantly higher. He is out for half the season, but it would let our guys get more work in and then give us an injection late. The intention would have to be to resign with bird rights.

2. Check in with Phoenix. Who knows. They really only have one path forward and its painful. If I were them I'd really consider moving Booker and Durant. I don't think they will move Booker, but I'd be calling about Beal. He's a good player....with one fatal flaw...he gets paid like an all time great, well that and he has a no trade clause.

3. Wild card...Big dominoes are going to fall this summer and salary matching is going to be tough. There could be really good players used to faciliate bigger trades. Miami is always homerun shopping, maybe they get involved on Giannis and Herro becomes part of the equation, with our picks headed to Milwaukee. There are not a lot of teams with space, It's like Brooklyn and then creativity, and there are going to be a lot of teams that need to duck and cover, like the Celtics.

4. And talking about how grim the salary cap landscape is teams may decline team options on good players to free up space. There are not a lot of guys out there, the Magic have surprising number of club options. Fred Van Vleet. I am not sure what the right number is for him, but it is likely way south of the big deal he previously got, also not sure how it works

5. This is where I think i pivot, and this probably should be ahead of number 4. We upgrade another position. Huge risk/reward. Porzingis. I think he is viewed as a negative trade asset, and Boston probably would prefer the stable road. The Magic surely don't need the injury risk...BUT he's also one of the best bigs in the league and would be a really nice fit next to Paolo and Franz. The Magic would probably need a lower name facilitator guard, like a Jones...or maybe the think Franz/PB/KP is enough. I thought KAT would have been a sneaky add last offseason, i am not current on the NYK capsheet, but i imagine way off the market now.

6. This is kind of the meh...we gotta do something option. This is where I roll the dice on offense / no defense guys. I am hoping we don't get here. This is Simons, Poole(barf), I'd almost rather go after a Beasley or Isaiah Joe. I'd rather overpay for a Monk or anybody like that.

7. Prune around the edges, but mostly run it back. We can't be the worst shooting team of the last quarter century. Make the open ones. If we are in the top 25 in three point % and attempts we are probably a top 4 seed in the East...though Detroit is threatening.

I think the biggest thing this offseason is there are SO many options for the Magic. Multiple teams are looking to transform themselves, and the apron is necessitating a lot of moves that may not otherwise be made. If the Magic fail this offseason at revamping this roster they truly appear to be going nowhere with Weltman as GM. Even with injuries factored in, this past season made it painfully obvious to the players, agents, commentators and fans that this current roster needs major changes.

If this team prunes around the edges and largely keeps things the same, they deserve to be stuck in the 7-10 seed quicksand they will likely be in for the next several years.

[Knightro]

Read on Twitter

Trading some combo of KCP/Cole/Jett for one of the scoring guards and then bringing in NAW on the mid-level to replace KCP's minutes and role sounds good to me.

[Skybox]

If we add a scoring guard. I want a legitimate scoring guard.
First, check in on Kyrie. He's got a year left. I wonder if Dallas may pivot after winning the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. They have the assets to move ceiling down the road, and possibly significantly higher. He is out for half the season, but it would let our guys get more work in and then give us an injection late. The intention would have to be to resign with bird rights.

2. Check in with Phoenix. Who knows. They really only have one path forward and its painful. If I were them I'd really consider moving Booker and Durant. I don't think they will move Booker, but I'd be calling about Beal. He's a good player....with one fatal flaw...he gets paid like an all time great, well that and he has a no trade clause.

3. Wild card...Big dominoes are going to fall this summer and salary matching is going to be tough. There could be really good players used to faciliate bigger trades. Miami is always homerun shopping, maybe they get involved on Giannis and Herro becomes part of the equation, with our picks headed to Milwaukee. There are not a lot of teams with space, It's like Brooklyn and then creativity, and there are going to be a lot of teams that need to duck and cover, like the Celtics.

4. And talking about how grim the salary cap landscape is teams may decline team options on good players to free up space. There are not a lot of guys out there, the Magic have surprising number of club options. Fred Van Vleet. I am not sure what the right number is for him, but it is likely way south of the big deal he previously got, also not sure how it works

5. This is where I think i pivot, and this probably should be ahead of number 4. We upgrade another position. Huge risk/reward. Porzingis. I think he is viewed as a negative trade asset, and Boston probably would prefer the stable road. The Magic surely don't need the injury risk...BUT he's also one of the best bigs in the league and would be a really nice fit next to Paolo and Franz. The Magic would probably need a lower name facilitator guard, like a Jones...or maybe the think Franz/PB/KP is enough. I thought KAT would have been a sneaky add last offseason, i am not current on the NYK capsheet, but i imagine way off the market now.

6. This is kind of the meh...we gotta do something option. This is where I roll the dice on offense / no defense guys. I am hoping we don't get here. This is Simons, Poole(barf), I'd almost rather go after a Beasley or Isaiah Joe. I'd rather overpay for a Monk or anybody like that.

7. Prune around the edges, but mostly run it back. We can't be the worst shooting team of the last quarter century. Make the open ones. If we are in the top 25 in three point % and attempts we are probably a top 4 seed in the East...though Detroit is threatening.

I think the biggest thing this offseason is there are SO many options for the Magic. Multiple teams are looking to transform themselves, and the apron is necessitating a lot of moves that may not otherwise be made. If the Magic fail this offseason at revamping this roster they truly appear to be going nowhere with Weltman as GM. Even with injuries factored in, this past season made it painfully obvious to the players, agents, commentators and fans that this current roster needs major changes.

If this team prunes around the edges and largely keeps things the same, they deserve to be stuck in the 7-10 seed quicksand they will likely be in for the next several years.

I think the playoffs are showing teams the value of difference-makers on defense...which we have too many of. OKC is able to make life miserable for ANY kind of team...guys like Caruso bothering Jokic, tons of switching and harassing...maybe some of our redundant guys could be valued and the stat-heavy scoring guys (like we need) will be a bit discounted...sometimes it's lucky timing to be swimming upstream when the tide shifts.

[Skybox]

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Trading some combo of KCP/Cole/Jett for one of the scoring guards and then bringing in NAW on the mid-level to replace KCP's minutes and role sounds good to me.

I would be happy to see that...but why on Earth would be "too much defense, crappy offense, no MLE at present" ORL get that headline?

[Knightro]

I would be happy to see that...but why on Earth would be "too much defense, crappy offense, no MLE at present" ORL get that headline?

I'm not sure what you mean?

[Knightro]

Order of operations...

Step 1 - Decline team options on Moritz Wagner, Gary Harris and Cory Joseph. This will put the Magic under both aprons and completely outside of the luxury tax, taking them from $199.3M down to $177.4M.

Step 2 - Trade Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard plus a couple of 2nd rounders for Jordan Poole or someone else similarly salaried. KCP/Cole/Jett for Poole would lower the Magic's committed salary for 25-26 from $177.4 to $169M.

Step 3 - Sign Nickeil Alexander-Walker for the MLE starting at $14.1M. That would put the Magic back up to $183.1M, approximately $4.8 below the luxury tax.

Step 4 - Draft BPA at 16 and 25. These guys will cost $4.4M and $2.9M next season. That will put the Magic *slightly* over the luxury tax at $190.4M, but keep them well below the first apron of $195.9M.

Step 5 - Sign at least one veteran minimum free agent (CoJo or Gary's triumphant return?), this would cost the Magic about $3M, leaving them about 2.5M below the first apron.

New roster...

G: Suggs, Black, veteran minimum
G: Poole, NAW, 1st rounder
F: Franz, Houstan, TDS
F: Banchero, Isaac, 1st rounder
C: Carter, Goga

The question at that point becomes how deep are the Magic willing to go into the first apron to resign Moritz?