Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

Something to also consider with Simons - he and Paolo may have another untapped level to their scoring that they can unlock for each other. Simons was ranked close to dead bottom in shot quality. According to Blazers fans, while he can take some boneheaded shots on occasion, this has far more to do with the fact he shoulders so much of the burden to make something out of nothing, often receiving bail out passes from teammates with 3 seconds on the clock. Likewise, we’ve got Paolo who has a tendency to take low quality shots, typically due to the fact that he’s so heavily guarded by opposing defenses because they can sag off the perimeter.

So you’ve got Simons, who is a proven shooter with very high on and off ball gravity that should be even better with the benefit of better shot quality. You’ve also got Paolo, who would benefit from better shot quality coming with the spacing a true shooting threat from deep would deliver. Benefit would be for the whole LU on the floor, obviously, but the fact Paolo and Simons are ranked so poorly on shot quality while seemingly being each other’s antidote is certainly worth consideration.

Good take...the fact that Paolo CAN make so many tough shots is nice, but not ideal all year...imagine him with more efficient options - that come with a straight-up bomber like Simons on the floor.

I also keep coming back to Simons because he's the best body of the usual suspects - crazy length and athleticism. The only time he's played on a competitive NBA team, he was backing up two all-timer scoring guards...so there really may be a whole extra gear that he hasn't unlocked yet. None of them are good defenders, but I tend to disregard that in hopes that Mose/Suggs/Isaac and co. will have a positive effect. With that in mind, Simons' superior length and athleticism come back into the math.

I also think his worst scenario is SO much higher than the others due to his flawless shooting stroke. The others all flirt with his kind of shooting in some years, but Simons is a rock-solid bet to, at the very least, a knockdown high-volume shooter.

[89Magicfan]

Something to also consider with Simons - he and Paolo may have another untapped level to their scoring that they can unlock for each other. Simons was ranked close to dead bottom in shot quality. According to Blazers fans, while he can take some boneheaded shots on occasion, this has far more to do with the fact he shoulders so much of the burden to make something out of nothing, often receiving bail out passes from teammates with 3 seconds on the clock. Likewise, we’ve got Paolo who has a tendency to take low quality shots, typically due to the fact that he’s so heavily guarded by opposing defenses because they can sag off the perimeter.

So you’ve got Simons, who is a proven shooter with very high on and off ball gravity that should be even better with the benefit of better shot quality. You’ve also got Paolo, who would benefit from better shot quality coming with the spacing a true shooting threat from deep would deliver. Benefit would be for the whole LU on the floor, obviously, but the fact Paolo and Simons are ranked so poorly on shot quality while seemingly being each other’s antidote is certainly worth consideration.

Sounds like both need a PG upgrade.

[basketballRob]

Washington probably picks Fears, so Poole may not have a long-term future there.

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[eyriq]

Orlando's guard targets can be split into primary ballhandlers (Garland, White, Sexton) and combo guards (Reaves, Simons, Monk, Poole, Coby), with the former offering lead creation and the latter complementing existing stars. Garland stands out as the cleanest path to forming a true core around Paolo and Franz, providing pull-up shooting and floor generalship this team lacks. The front office must now choose between consolidating for a ceiling-raising move or adding cost-effective upgrades that preserve flexibility.

[Knightro]

Marc Stein today made it seem like the Magic are more than willing to use their full MLE. I'm cool with that.

[Knightro]

KCP/Cole/picks for a guy making 25 to 30-ish million (Poole? Simons?) and then the MLE on Alexander-Walker to replace KCP's 3&D in the backcourt sounds good to me.

New rotation...

STARTERS: Suggs/TRADE ACQUISITION/Franz/Paolo/WCJ
ROTATION BENCH: Black/NAW/Houstan/Isaac/Goga
3RD TEAM: 1st rounder/Jett/TDS/1st rounder/Mortiz (when healthy)

Could flip TDS and Houstan depending on which guy you like better. Or maybe the 16th overall pick works himself into the mix.

[mattdelray1220]

Marc Stein today made it seem like the Magic are more than willing to use their full MLE. I'm cool with that.

CP3. Go traditional PG. I know it's not what people want. Wouldnt be shocked if they upgrade Center instead.. Big Curveball.

[VFX]

Bro Chris Paul is 40 goddamn years old.

Let’s retire his name from the trade thread for good. For the love of god.

Chris Paul, Brad Beal, and CJ McCollum should be banned from the trade threads for how often we hear about them and how little they make sense to this organization.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Marc Stein today made it seem like the Magic are more than willing to use their full MLE. I'm cool with that.

Go get NAW dude would be a solid fit off the bench for us.

[drsd]

Trade goga for Royce O'Neil

Very interesting idea!

Goes against the trade tall for small. But fits the defense for offence vibe management discusses.

[basketballRob]

NAW would give us even more size. He has enough size to play SF in some lineups instead of playing Gary Harry.

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[mattdelray1220]

NAW would give us even more size. He has enough size to play SF in some lineups instead of playing Gary Harry.

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Is NAW someone we want to give 14 million when we have TDS? I feel like yeah hes an upgrade but by how much and for how long? TDS could be a better player than NAW is in a year or 2? Or am I just a homer?

[Magic_Johnny12]

This is my personal opinion, but I see KCP being thrown in trades a lot but I would find it really hard to believe that KCP is as available as people assume (outside of something really significant).

Regardless of his production on court, he was a big free agency signing for Weltman and the Magic and it shows that they are willing to sign Klutch players where in the past that was really in question.

KCP also is HUGE off court, represents the Magic in a lot of public promotional things. Big mentor to a lot of the players and has recently said that he wants to bring a championship to Orlando (publicly). Words spoken like he has no doubt in his mind he’s here for the long haul.

This is not to say he’s untouchable, but I really don’t think Weltman and co. have the cojones to deal him so quickly given his representation (these things matter more than people think). I also have some inside info from his wife that makes me believe that if something did happen involving him it would be completely out of left field and certainly wasn’t expected (please don’t ask me too many questions about this).

I think the main pcs we’re dangling are:

Isaac/Anthony/Harris/Bitazde/Howard/Carter (and Black/TDS at a lesser extent) with the main value coming from draft pick equity.

I also think Orlando uses their MLE this season for someone like NAW (or more depth)

Again, my thoughts on the situation.

[VFX]

This is my personal opinion, but I see KCP being thrown in trades a lot but I would find it really hard to believe that KCP is as available as people assume (outside of something really significant).

Regardless of his production on court, he was a big free agency signing for Weltman and the Magic and it shows that they are willing to sign Klutch agents where in the past that was really in question.

KCP also is HUGE off court, represents the Magic in a lot of public promotional things. Big mentor to a lot of the players and has recently said that he wants to bring a championship to Orlando (publicly). Words spoken like he has no doubt in his mind he’s here for the long haul.

This is not to say he’s untouchable, but I really don’t think Weltman and co. have the cojones to deal him so quickly given his representation (these things matter more than people think). I also have some inside info from his wife that makes me believe that if something did happen involving him it would be completely out of left field and certainly wasn’t expected (please don’t ask me too many questions about this).

I think the main pcs we’re dangling are:

Isaac/Anthony/Harris/Bitazde/Howard/Carter (and Black/TDS at a lesser extent) with the main value coming from draft pick equity.

I also think Orlando uses their MLE this season for someone like NAW (or more depth)

Again, my thoughts on the situation.

Should they move KCP?

Absolutely yes because they likely want to be under the apron and Weltman needs to move some of these bad contracts to make the roster better.

It’s just difficult to talk about acquiring some of these names we hear to pair with Suggs in the back court while paying KCP starters money ++ to come off the bench.

THAT BEING SAID

It’s almost guaranteed he isn’t moved. Why? Well you listed some reasons, but sometimes GMs have these handshake deals with guys like “we aren’t going to trade you for at least 2 years because you are buying a house here and moving your family etc.” Now I know that’s total BS in nba fantasy land, but it’s just true when dealing with these agencies, players, etc.

That and Weltman is telling everyone publicly he made a mistake in signing him.

So should he be moved? Hell yeah.
Will he? Likely not.

Which sucks because in order for Orlando to get under the first apron, acquire a better back court, and move off some of these bad role players, KCP needs to be off the books. Maybe he is moved before the deadline, but keeping him ensures limitations to what the FO can pull off.

[thelead]

This is my personal opinion, but I see KCP being thrown in trades a lot but I would find it really hard to believe that KCP is as available as people assume (outside of something really significant).

Regardless of his production on court, he was a big free agency signing for Weltman and the Magic and it shows that they are willing to sign Klutch agents where in the past that was really in question.

KCP also is HUGE off court, represents the Magic in a lot of public promotional things. Big mentor to a lot of the players and has recently said that he wants to bring a championship to Orlando (publicly). Words spoken like he has no doubt in his mind he’s here for the long haul.

This is not to say he’s untouchable, but I really don’t think Weltman and co. have the cojones to deal him so quickly given his representation (these things matter more than people think). I also have some inside info from his wife that makes me believe that if something did happen involving him it would be completely out of left field and certainly wasn’t expected (please don’t ask me too many questions about this).

I think the main pcs we’re dangling are:

Isaac/Anthony/Harris/Bitazde/Howard/Carter (and Black/TDS at a lesser extent) with the main value coming from draft pick equity.

I also think Orlando uses their MLE this season for someone like NAW (or more depth)

Again, my thoughts on the situation.

Should they move KCP?

Absolutely yes because they likely want to be under the apron and Weltman needs to move some of these bad contracts to make the roster better.

It’s just difficult to talk about acquiring some of these names we hear to pair with Suggs in the back court while paying KCP starters money ++ to come off the bench.

THAT BEING SAID

It’s almost guaranteed he isn’t moved. Why? Well you listed some reasons, but sometimes GMs have these handshake deals with guys like “we aren’t going to trade you for at least 2 years because you are buying a house here and moving your family etc.” Now I know that’s total BS in nba fantasy land, but it’s just true when dealing with these agencies, players, etc.

That and Weltman is telling everyone publicly he made a mistake in signing him.

So should he be moved? Hell yeah.
Will he? Likely not.

Which sucks because in order for Orlando to get under the first apron, acquire a better back court, and move off some of these bad role players, KCP needs to be off the books. Maybe he is moved before the deadline, but keeping him ensures limitations to what the FO can pull off.

Here’s my monthly reminder that Kevin Pritchard flipped Bruce Brown and 2 1sts (and other throw ins) for Siakam. Let’s see what Weltman can get for KCP… if anything.

[RichCollab]

This is my personal opinion, but I see KCP being thrown in trades a lot but I would find it really hard to believe that KCP is as available as people assume (outside of something really significant).

Regardless of his production on court, he was a big free agency signing for Weltman and the Magic and it shows that they are willing to sign Klutch agents where in the past that was really in question.

KCP also is HUGE off court, represents the Magic in a lot of public promotional things. Big mentor to a lot of the players and has recently said that he wants to bring a championship to Orlando (publicly). Words spoken like he has no doubt in his mind he’s here for the long haul.

This is not to say he’s untouchable, but I really don’t think Weltman and co. have the cojones to deal him so quickly given his representation (these things matter more than people think). I also have some inside info from his wife that makes me believe that if something did happen involving him it would be completely out of left field and certainly wasn’t expected (please don’t ask me too many questions about this).

I think the main pcs we’re dangling are:

Isaac/Anthony/Harris/Bitazde/Howard/Carter (and Black/TDS at a lesser extent) with the main value coming from draft pick equity.

I also think Orlando uses their MLE this season for someone like NAW (or more depth)

Again, my thoughts on the situation.

Should they move KCP?

Absolutely yes because they likely want to be under the apron and Weltman needs to move some of these bad contracts to make the roster better.

It’s just difficult to talk about acquiring some of these names we hear to pair with Suggs in the back court while paying KCP starters money ++ to come off the bench.

THAT BEING SAID

It’s almost guaranteed he isn’t moved. Why? Well you listed some reasons, but sometimes GMs have these handshake deals with guys like “we aren’t going to trade you for at least 2 years because you are buying a house here and moving your family etc.” Now I know that’s total BS in nba fantasy land, but it’s just true when dealing with these agencies, players, etc.

That and Weltman is telling everyone publicly he made a mistake in signing him.

So should he be moved? Hell yeah.
Will he? Likely not.

Which sucks because in order for Orlando to get under the first apron, acquire a better back court, and move off some of these bad role players, KCP needs to be off the books. Maybe he is moved before the deadline, but keeping him ensures limitations to what the FO can pull off.

Trade for Monk and draft Clayton.

Guards

Suggs/Monk/Clayton
KCP/AB

KCP leaves in 1 to 2 seasons and Monk. AB. And Clayton can all try to earn his spot.

I’m all for moving KCP but if we can’t.

[ogmagicfan]

What's the rumors situation looking like? I been out the loop

[Magic_Johnny12]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/BEyhBHxhUd

“A sneaky all-time bad trade may finally payoff next year, the Suns trading an unprotected 2026 swap to the Magic for three bad seconds.”

There’s a trending topic on Reddit regarding the trade we made for their unprotected swap next year (over 125 replies).

People are taking notice of how colossal that pick could potentially be

[Skybox]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/BEyhBHxhUd

“A sneaky all-time bad trade may finally payoff next year, the Suns trading an unprotected 2026 swap to the Magic for three bad seconds.”

There’s a trending topic on Reddit regarding the trade we made for their unprotected swap next year (over 125 replies).

People are taking notice of how colossal that pick could potentially be

OMG those idiots make us sound like Jerry West talking hoops with John Wooden

[Audi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/BEyhBHxhUd

“A sneaky all-time bad trade may finally payoff next year, the Suns trading an unprotected 2026 swap to the Magic for three bad seconds.”

There’s a trending topic on Reddit regarding the trade we made for their unprotected swap next year (over 125 replies).

People are taking notice of how colossal that pick could potentially be

OMG those idiots make us sound like Jerry West talking hoops with John Wooden

The difference between this board and Reddit/Twitter is the difference between ITT and MIT.