Spurs round the roster without trading everything

[tcheco]

Ok, Spurs are the team of the moment for trading possibilities, Im just trying to find new takes on them trading the 2nd pick, with as much upside that Harper has, its no guarantee. Spurs are building a team to compete now with castle and wemby being cheap.

Spurs trade
Keldon Johnson
2nd pick

Portland trade
Deni
Camara
11th pick

Portland get a shot at a franchise player to grow with Sharpe, Scoot, Clingan, and look to get as much as possible for Simons, Ayton and Grant this offseason.

Spurs get Deni for cheap for 3 years and Camara for 2 years to round the roster and prepare for a all in move during the season if all things align. They are still left with 11 and 14 to make moves.

Spurs:
Fox/Castle
Castle/Vassel
Vassel/Camara
Deni/Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/rookie/FA

This allows the Spurs to trade Vassel + 11 + 14 + any future pick for a win now piece that may become available(or already is, looking at you KD, Giannis, whoever)

A group of Fox, Castle, Deni, KD and Wemby can do some nasty things around the league. sure, its a 3 year window for this group, KD retires when you have to pay Wemby.

My question is, is value close to reality? Is Portland willing to go this route? Harper, Scoot, Sharpe, Clingan + whatever they get from Ayton, Simons and Grant?

[jredsaz]

Ok, Spurs are the team of the moment for trading possibilities, Im just trying to find new takes on them trading the 2nd pick, with as much upside that Harper has, its no guarantee. Spurs are building a team to compete now with castle and wemby being cheap.

Spurs trade
Keldon Johnson
2nd pick

Portland trade
Deni
Camara
11th pick

Portland get a shot at a franchise player to grow with Sharpe, Scoot, Clingan, and look to get as much as possible for Simons, Ayton and Grant this offseason.

Spurs get Deni for cheap for 3 years and Camara for 2 years to round the roster and prepare for a all in move during the season if all things align. They are still left with 11 and 14 to make moves.

Spurs:
Fox/Castle
Castle/Vassel
Vassel/Camara
Deni/Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/rookie/FA

This allows the Spurs to trade Vassel + 11 + 14 + any future pick for a win now piece that may become available(or already is, looking at you KD, Giannis, whoever)

A group of Fox, Castle, Deni, KD and Wemby can do some nasty things around the league. sure, its a 3 year window for this group, KD retires when you have to pay Wemby.

My question is, is value close to reality? Is Portland willing to go this route? Harper, Scoot, Sharpe, Clingan + whatever they get from Ayton, Simons and Grant?

I don’t think either team does this but super creative. Blazers have a young core that really showed out the second half of last season. Spurs can’t pass up the opportunity to pair Wemby with another all nba caliber guy.

[Texas Chuck]

If the real life Spurs are as married to Fox already as their posters here say. And if they believe Castle is the future star their fans here say, then yeah they should do this. Because you have your current and future star PG's in place and now you have a defensive frontcourt and you can unload your salary with those mid 1sts and add another good piece. If Wemby is a stud, you will be very good immediately.

For Portland I think you would try first to get your star to pair with those pieces. That roster is just missing a star. But that's probably not realistically possible while keeping these guys, so I'd strongly consider this.

Maybe Camara comes out and its Barnes instead of Keldon if you need to tweak the value Portland's way. But I think this is probably about right.

[JRoy]

This price is pretty dear, but I like Harper a lot, probably more than most.

Hopefully moving Scoot would shortly follow.

[Mavrelous]

I don’t think either team does this but super creative. Blazers have a young core that really showed out the second half of last season. Spurs can’t pass up the opportunity to pair Wemby with another all nba caliber guy.

No, Portland says before you can say Camara, it's a slam dunk for them.

[wemby]

This proposal immediately fixes a lot of the Spurs roster construction issues and definitely raises their immediate floor, but I'm not sure it raises their long term ceiling, which is ultimately their goal. Spurs have been in the high lottery a lot recently, but between 1990 and 2021 Spurs only had one top 5 (hell, even top 10) pick (Duncan). When you get a chance to grab one such high upside prospect you should hold on to it, so I'd still take Harper and try to figure other ways to put together the roster using the other assets. It's easier to find competent role players than stars.

[jredsaz]

I don’t think either team does this but super creative. Blazers have a young core that really showed out the second half of last season. Spurs can’t pass up the opportunity to pair Wemby with another all nba caliber guy.

No, Portland says before you can say Camara, it's a slam dunk for them.

That’s fair. When JRoy agrees with a blazers trade I have to rethink it

[One_and_Done]

Ok, Spurs are the team of the moment for trading possibilities, Im just trying to find new takes on them trading the 2nd pick, with as much upside that Harper has, its no guarantee. Spurs are building a team to compete now with castle and wemby being cheap.

Spurs trade
Keldon Johnson
2nd pick

Portland trade
Deni
Camara
11th pick

Portland get a shot at a franchise player to grow with Sharpe, Scoot, Clingan, and look to get as much as possible for Simons, Ayton and Grant this offseason.

Spurs get Deni for cheap for 3 years and Camara for 2 years to round the roster and prepare for a all in move during the season if all things align. They are still left with 11 and 14 to make moves.

Spurs:
Fox/Castle
Castle/Vassel
Vassel/Camara
Deni/Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/rookie/FA

This allows the Spurs to trade Vassel + 11 + 14 + any future pick for a win now piece that may become available(or already is, looking at you KD, Giannis, whoever)

A group of Fox, Castle, Deni, KD and Wemby can do some nasty things around the league. sure, its a 3 year window for this group, KD retires when you have to pay Wemby.

My question is, is value close to reality? Is Portland willing to go this route? Harper, Scoot, Sharpe, Clingan + whatever they get from Ayton, Simons and Grant?

Absolutely horrible for the Spurs. I saw 'trade the #2 pick' and almost stopped reading. That's a non-starter for Giannis, never mind this weak return.

[One_and_Done]

If the real life Spurs are as married to Fox already as their posters here say. And if they believe Castle is the future star their fans here say, then yeah they should do this. Because you have your current and future star PG's in place and now you have a defensive frontcourt and you can unload your salary with those mid 1sts and add another good piece. If Wemby is a stud, you will be very good immediately.

For Portland I think you would try first to get your star to pair with those pieces. That roster is just missing a star. But that's probably not realistically possible while keeping these guys, so I'd strongly consider this.

Maybe Camara comes out and its Barnes instead of Keldon if you need to tweak the value Portland's way. But I think this is probably about right.

This is the NBA, you don't trade 4 quarters for a dollar, that's not smart (and this isn't even 4 quarters). How good you think other people on a roster are is irrelevant. Nobody says 'well, I've already got a Ferrari, so take my new Porsche for 10 cents on the dollar. That's not smart business. Talk of 'taking Camara out' seems absurd, because Portland is short on value here. I'm not sure Portland has the assets to get this #2 regardless though; they just aren't a team with the young, high end talent you'd consider trading this pick for.

[jdzimme3]

Spurs don't touch this. Way too much upside at pick 2

[Devilanche]

Need one more asset from blazer , probably a first that projects around 10-15 in the future.

Spurs should do this trade .

[tcheco]

Spurs don't touch this. Way too much upside at pick 2

I’m not sold on this trade either, but is harper that much of a sure thing as people make flagg seem to be?

Cause it would be risky to depend on Harpers upside and maybe lose this window with Wemby not earning a max contract, but again, I’m not that informed about Harper. Seems like Portland fans liked it, this does open up for spurs to have a pretty complete roster and not depend on 2 big players too… Yes if Harper is a perenial all nba this looks bad, but keeping him and he being a bust also, thats why im asking, how big is Harpers floor?

[One_and_Done]

Spurs don't touch this. Way too much upside at pick 2

I’m not sold on this trade either, but is harper that much of a sure thing as people make flagg seem to be?

Cause it would be risky to depend on Harpers upside and maybe lose this window with Wemby not earning a max contract, but again, I’m not that informed about Harper. Seems like Portland fans liked it, this does open up for spurs to have a pretty complete roster and not depend on 2 big players too… Yes if Harper is a perenial all nba this looks bad, but keeping him and he being a bust also, thats why im asking, how big is Harpers floor?

Harper is seen as one of the better #2 picks in recent years, and a #1 pick in some years. He'd have easily gone #1 last year for example, or even in better drafts like 2022.

[Village Idiot]

Not interested for Portland. I feel Harper is really overrated as a prospect

[Myth]

At minimum, I think Portland pushes to keep one of their forwards to pair with Harper. Scoot becomes fully expendable with Harper coming to Portland, though Spurs won’t need him, so Scoot to a 3rd team for the best future pick or a player Spurs would like, plus an additional first. Blazers get Harper, Spurs get Deni, 11, a future 1st from Portland, and asset that Scoot brings in, 3rd team gets Scoot.

[Knicks365247]

This proposal immediately fixes a lot of the Spurs roster construction issues and definitely raises their immediate floor, but I'm not sure it raises their long term ceiling, which is ultimately their goal. Spurs have been in the high lottery a lot recently, but between 1990 and 2021 Spurs only had one top 5 (hell, even top 10) pick (Duncan). When you get a chance to grab one such high upside prospect you should hold on to it, so I'd still take Harper and try to figure other ways to put together the roster using the other assets. It's easier to find competent role players than stars.

Agree completely. The Spurs have a surplus of assets to round out the roster with roleplayers in another way.

I also think Harper has a very solid floor and a high ceiling. Totally agree he’s a #1 pick in a decent amount of draft years.

[One_and_Done]

At minimum, I think Portland pushes to keep one of their forwards to pair with Harper. Scoot becomes fully expendable with Harper coming to Portland, though Spurs won’t need him, so Scoot to a 3rd team for the best future pick or a player Spurs would like, plus an additional first. Blazers get Harper, Spurs get Deni, 11, a future 1st from Portland, and asset that Scoot brings in, 3rd team gets Scoot.

Would Deni even return a low lotto pick this year? Like, maybe for the right team. He's a decent player... but come on, this is a borderline laughable offer for the #2 pick. If Portland called Philly with this offer, Morey would politely hang up, and the #2 pick is much more valuable.

[tmorgan]

Deni is so much better than you think he is.

I’m absolutely all over this offer if I’m the Spurs.

But, full disclosure (poster wemby knows, maybe others do not) — I am not at all impressed with Harper, particularly on the Spurs. I think this is clearly a one star draft, and while there will be others that show out eventually, I have zero confidence that Harper (or Bailey, Edgecombe, Johnson, Kon, Maluach, or anyone else projected lottery) has a better shot at stardom than 15 other guys in this draft. Flat and flawed after Flagg.

[tmorgan]

Just to be clear — I do think Harper is the 2nd pick, based on what he’s shown. I don’t think he’s shown as much as many others seem to think, and the aforementioned status has as more to do with the lack of really high quality prospects in this draft than Harper being some incredible talent.

He’s very good with the ball in his hands as a slasher and at drawing fouls. He hasn’t shown anything special as a shooter, as a playmaker for others, and as a defender. That sounds way too much like Castle for my liking if I’m San Antonio. If they are committed putting a good team around Wemby sooner rather than later, running Castle and Harper out there for 64+ minutes a game is a poor plan. Deni is one of the very best glue guys in the league, and his contract is super cheap, which is more important these days than ever before. Getting him, another strong defender, and a late lottery pick for Harper and Keldon is a win for getting the team to contender status immediately.

[One_and_Done]

Deni is so much better than you think he is.

I’m absolutely all over this offer if I’m the Spurs.

But, full disclosure (poster wemby knows, maybe others do not) — I am not at all impressed with Harper, particularly on the Spurs. I think this is clearly a one star draft, and while there will be others that show out eventually, I have zero confidence that Harper (or Bailey, Edgecombe, Johnson, Kon, Maluach, or anyone else projected lottery) has a better shot at stardom than 15 other guys in this draft. Flat and flawed after Flagg.

Deni isn't even a for-sure starter for a 36 win team. Like, he's a nice player, but it's iffy if he'd even start for the Blazers next year.

We have profoundly different views of the value of the #2 pick this year.