PG: Out of our Misery

[god shammgod]

we're not getting giannis for kat. c'mon. who do you think we are ? the lakers lol

[Jay10]

Sad to realize we all lived to see the Knicks become the Pacers' b*tches.

It was 3-3 until 2000. Now it's 3-6.

The worst part is that this year's loss is by far the worst.

The last two losses (2013 and 2024) were understandable. In 2013, the vets had nothing left in the playoffs and JR Smith forgot how to play basketball in the second round. Melo couldn't carry that team by himself. And last year we basically had no healthy players left by the end of the series.

This year is different. Even with Thibs' poor coaching, we were the better team and we were healthy. That Game 1 loss may be the most humiliating loss in Knicks history and set the tone for the rest of the series.

It's great that we made it to the ECF and beat the Celtics, but I can't help but feeling that last year's team (when healthy) was better.

Last year's roster was beating teams by 20+ points every game.

No, last year the Knicks had a losing record against teams with W-L percentages of .500 or better. Same as this season.

I think the Knicks were fortunate to win the Boston series. This season the Knicks only won 39% of their games against teams with records of .500 or better. It's unrealistic to expect the Knicks to start beating winning teams when they have been losing to those teams all season.

I'm talking about before Julius' injury when all OG had to do was shoot 3 pointers and defend, because opposing teams were forced to double team Julius.

[Besart19]

we don't have the assets for giannis. that's a pipe dream.

We have for both Giannis and Booker actually

In that context we might keep Mitch too

Towns for Giannis
Mikal, Hart and Achiuwa for Booker

Mitch / Hukporti / Tucker
Giannis / Finney Smith / vet
Anunoby / Shamet / Dadiet
Booker / McBride / McCullar
Brunson / Wright / Kolek

[Janquinn87]

We need a 6'5 point that can help Brunson with ball handling responsibilities like Nembhard.

[3toheadmelo]

kat is a great scorer. brunson is a great scorer. they're both really bad on d. one got to go. which one do you think the knicks are gonna keep ?

Giannis or bust.

Ima settle for KD if we can’t get Giannis fam.

[Galvationknicks]

I really didn't feel anything about this loss. Game 1 broke me anyway. I was just waiting for the snap

[Wildcat]

KAT defense is bad BUT if you had a coach who could maximize his offensive impact AND get him to slightly improve, it would make a huge difference.

F Thibs use of KAT. Pathetic. But we already know the dude that's not sticking to the D plan is KAT. I'm exhausted just looking at it. I can imagine how the 4 other players out there feel.

[Im Coming Home]

we don't have the assets for giannis. that's a pipe dream.

Yeah I don't get the Giannis dream anyways even if we traded for Giannis, whatever it would cost us would leave us with major holes at the big man spot.. I don't think Brunson and Giannis and a skeleton roster is enough to do anything more than we did this year..

[god shammgod]

KAT defense is bad BUT if you had a coach who could maximize his offensive impact AND get him to slightly improve, it would make a huge difference.

F Thibs use of KAT. Pathetic. But we already know the dude that's not sticking to the D plan is KAT. I'm exhausted just looking at it. I can imagine how the 4 other players out there feel.

you can tell they don't love playing with him

[Jeffrey]

Read on Twitter

I would actually do this trade. I love KAT, love his modern game. I've said this a few times already, I've always thought putting effort on defense is half the battle. He does that but holy fck, he is dumb as rocks on the defensive end but then is Albert Einstein on the offense. I don't get it.

With KD, you have a bucket getter and will actually demand the ball from Brunson during crunch time. Too many times KAT is sitting somewhere and watching Brunson. KD is also a great help defender and perimeter defender. KD also has 2 years left on the deal compare to KAT.

[Wildcat]

we're not getting giannis for kat. c'mon. who do you think we are ? the lakers lol

LeBron declines and signs for the MLE?

[HEZI]

Not having a secondary ball handler was always our weakness and it was eventually going to expose us.

Bridges is not it

It’s hard to determine this because he only to be a ball handler in spot situations.

It’s not hard to determine we’ve watching him all season. When he’s pressured he can’t do anything with the ball. He has a very weak handle, very loose with it. Not only that but he has no foot speed and he’s very weak. Avoids physicality and avoids the paint.

[3toheadmelo]

we're not getting giannis for kat. c'mon. who do you think we are ? the lakers lol

We probably aren’t but I do feel like Giannis would pick us over every team, if that means anything.

[matchman]

I can smell the upcoming toxicity of this thread, so I am out now.

Gotta be a tough job for mods, shout out to them for the hard work during difficult times.

[Red Vines]

KAT defense is bad BUT if you had a coach who could maximize his offensive impact AND get him to slightly improve, it would make a huge difference.

F Thibs use of KAT. Pathetic. But we already know the dude that's not sticking to the D plan is KAT. I'm exhausted just looking at it. I can imagine how the 4 other players out there feel.

Yeah I would trade KAT but I'm just scared his knees are not going to hold up the way he plays/falls.

[Fury]

kat is a great scorer. brunson is a great scorer. they're both really bad on d. one got to go. which one do you think the knicks are gonna keep ?

KAT

JB type of players are not hard to find.

Call Dallas and see if they want JB back for that 1st pick.

Hire Mike Malone and run it with Kolek aka Steve Nash.

Wth

[Jay10]

we don't have the assets for giannis. that's a pipe dream.

Yeah I don't get the Giannis dream anyways even if we traded for Giannis, whatever it would cost us would leave us with major holes at the big man spot.. I don't think Brunson and Giannis and a skeleton roster is enough to do anything more than we did this year..

I think Jalen would be the one going out for Giannis, since Giannis would be the PG on the Knicks.

[rickxdel]

For those on the fire thibs train and by doing so the knicks will just miraculously take another step, just be aware a new coach will need to either have Brunson or KAT elsewhere, a new coach and those 2 will lead the knicks right back in this spot..sure it might be prettier or different getting to this spot, but you can’t get to the next level with those 2 on defense

I think you can be a championship team with those 2, I think it'd be best to stagger their minutes most of the game and we need to play KAT with a defensive C or PF in the playoffs to close out games

[Im Coming Home]

KAT defense is bad BUT if you had a coach who could maximize his offensive impact AND get him to slightly improve, it would make a huge difference.

F Thibs use of KAT. Pathetic. But we already know the dude that's not sticking to the D plan is KAT. I'm exhausted just looking at it. I can imagine how the 4 other players out there feel.

"But we already know dudes not sticking to the D plan" no we don't. KAT sucks in drop cover, you think he's doing it by choice? No. Thibs for some reason is forcing drop coverage on the team when last year we didn't do that crap.

That YouTuber 'Awful coaching ' used to praise the Knicks and Thibs for being one of the few teams last year not to do drop coverage in the playoffs, and now Thibs decides to run it this year for some reason.

[snadler]

Other than wanting Thibs fired, does anyone actually think after making it to the ECF plus Thibs relationship with the front office that he’s going to be replaced..