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Post#21 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:04 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Okay I get this...but holy shyt, they had this article ready to go, right after the playoffs...wtf. That doesn't seem right.


Expect a lot more dirt to come out over the next 7 days.

We can go back to as far as Christmas...there was always something that felt amiss about this team.


I don't know that it's gonna be dirt dirt but the vibes were definitely a bit off. It didn't quite come together.
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Post#22 » by kNicksGmen » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:04 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Okay I get this...but holy shyt, they had this article ready to go, right after the playoffs...wtf. That doesn't seem right.

Think the Knicks are putting word out there they wanna move on from KAT.

Incredibly dumb if you're looking to trade him. Why hurt his value?
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Post#23 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:06 am

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nedleeds wrote:Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.

We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.


Trading Brunson is pure insanity. Are you rooting for the Nets? :lol: :crazy:


Legit probably.


I figured.

Anyway. Lots of work to do. Making the conference finals was a good achievement but we need to review what worked, what didn't and fix those areas.
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Post#24 » by nedleeds » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:08 am

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Capn'O wrote:Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.

Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.

We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.


Trading Brunson is pure insanity. Are you rooting for the Nets? :lol: :crazy:

Trading for the hope to win a title in my lifetime. How are we winning anything with this roster and only 1 pick under control for 6 years? Let alone giving poor Brunson a chance to play for a contender, or a real coach. His contract is pretty good, he'd net a few 1sts and a good young player. No other contracts are positive value, some are atrocious ( OG owed $164,000,000).
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Post#25 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:09 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Okay I get this...but holy shyt, they had this article ready to go, right after the playoffs...wtf. That doesn't seem right.


Expect a lot more dirt to come out over the next 7 days.

We can go back to as far as Christmas...there was always something that felt amiss about this team.


I don't know that it's gonna be dirt dirt but the vibes were definitely a bit off. It didn't quite come together.


I don't think its anything crazy to be honest, but I had a feeling for awhile that, to your point, something was off all season.
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Post#26 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:09 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
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Trading Brunson is pure insanity. Are you rooting for the Nets? :lol: :crazy:


Legit probably.


I figured.

Anyway. Lots of work to do. Making the conference finals was a good achievement but we need to review what worked, what didn't and fix those areas.


I feel like the Knicks are in a position where the moves that they need to make to improve will make waves. Namely, I think one of Hart or Bridges needs to go.

There is also, of course, the question of coaching and that comes down to a serious eval of who is available.
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Post#27 » by Wildcat » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:10 am

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Jeffrey wrote:If this is Fred Katz... he's one of the best writers in the NBA. Nah, I don't he writes hit pieces. He explains his thought process. Why would he drop a hit piece during the playoffs. Most of the time, these happens after eliminations or season is over.


Katz discussed this a couple of weeks ago.


If he did.. then there is no surprises. Katz isn't the type that has no sources. He has a lot of good sources due to his goodwill when he was a beat writer for the Knicks in past years.


I can't remember if it was in his Podcast, or through Patreon.
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Post#28 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:10 am

After game 5 Kat sat down with the TNT crew. Chuck asked him why do you take those dumb fouls. Kat didn't have a good answer, just I have to do better for the team. Like, how does he not know at this stage of his career not to just push and hold and set moving screens so obviously.

Tonight he avoided foul trouble by playing too far back on screens which hurt us down the stretch. SVG pointed it out a few times, and once said Bridges was frustrated with him not coming up higher on Hali.

Seems like playing him with Mitch isn't the answer either because then he gets stuck guarding a Siakam which is also a problem. I just don't know how far a team can go with Kat's defense, unless he scores 30 a game at the other end
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Post#29 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:11 am

WargamesX wrote:I stand by the fact the team likes him as a person but was frustrated with him defensively And offensively through


I think this is what it boils down to.

Karl is a great guy. But his mental errors on defense are a legit issue.
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Post#30 » by GONYK » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:13 am

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WargamesX wrote:I stand by the fact the team likes him as a person but was frustrated with him defensively And offensively through


I think this is what it boils down to.

Karl is a great guy. But his mental errors on defense are a legit issue.


He plays the game like how people drive when they're on their phone
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Post#31 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:14 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Legit probably.


I figured.

Anyway. Lots of work to do. Making the conference finals was a good achievement but we need to review what worked, what didn't and fix those areas.


I feel like the Knicks are in a position where the moves that they need to make to improve will make waves. Namely, I think one of Hart or Bridges needs to go.

There is also, of course, the question of coaching and that comes down to a serious eval of who is available.


I've already expressed my view on Mikal. He needs to be traded for a few reasons.

Josh...I like Josh a lot. But he isn't a starter and should be a 6th man.
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Post#32 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:17 am

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WargamesX wrote:I stand by the fact the team likes him as a person but was frustrated with him defensively And offensively through


I think this is what it boils down to.

Karl is a great guy. But his mental errors on defense are a legit issue.


He plays the game like how people drive when they're on their phone


Yep. And in the left lane at that.
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Post#33 » by Wildcat » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:19 am

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Capn'O wrote:
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I figured.

Anyway. Lots of work to do. Making the conference finals was a good achievement but we need to review what worked, what didn't and fix those areas.


I feel like the Knicks are in a position where the moves that they need to make to improve will make waves. Namely, I think one of Hart or Bridges needs to go.

There is also, of course, the question of coaching and that comes down to a serious eval of who is available.


I've already expressed my view on Mikal. He needs to be traded for a few reasons.

Josh...I like Josh a lot. But he isn't a starter and should be a 6th man.


The perfect 6th Man from the start of the season. I'm afraid he might have Nick Anderson moment.
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Post#34 » by ophdog » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:19 am

Kat needs to put the timbs in the garage and never front like a New Yorker again.
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Post#35 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:23 am

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I feel like the Knicks are in a position where the moves that they need to make to improve will make waves. Namely, I think one of Hart or Bridges needs to go.

There is also, of course, the question of coaching and that comes down to a serious eval of who is available.


I've already expressed my view on Mikal. He needs to be traded for a few reasons.

Josh...I like Josh a lot. But he isn't a starter and should be a 6th man.


The perfect 6th Man from the start of the season. I'm afraid he might have Nick Anderson moment.


I think his minutes need to be cut and he should be used as a change of pace energy player.
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Post#36 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:31 am

Loved Kat in college, hated him when he played in the league, forgot all the hate I had for him when he got rid of Randle.

This is who he is. He’s an emotional guy who plays based on how he feels at the moment. That’s dangerous.

You either build with him to help integrate his offense with a coach and teammates that will support him or you ship him out and wash your hands. If you bring back Thibs and still have Brunson on this team, you’re telling the roster and fans we’re not serious about a championship.
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Post#37 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:33 am

Also, I’ve been beating the drum on Mikal & OG secretly have issues with the team and that’s what Hart referred to earlier in the season about agendas. When more reports come out don’t be surprised when those two are mentioned.
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Post#39 » by ophdog » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:34 am

I hate this guy more everyday
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Post#40 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:34 am

Also, also, if you plan on keeping everybody, KAT gotta come off the bench. Him and Brun don’t work together for long periods of time.

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