NBA Trade Thread #12

[Hangtime84]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

[Dez]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

And Lonzo is not getting him.

[sco]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

And Lonzo is not getting him.

There would need to be filler, but Gafford or PJ would be great as well.

[WesPeace]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

Max Christie is the player I would love to get in a trade with them,but thats wishful thinking,same as for Lively. Gafford and Washington are available tho.

[kodo]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

And Lonzo is not getting him.

Despite the title, the article says the main target is White. Lonzo sounds like a "if every other trade fails" back-up.
Not sure I'd trade White for Lively, I wonder how much upside he has.

[ChettheJet]

I would look at Coby and Carter for PJ Washington and Dwight Powell who picks up his $4M option.

Powell is your 3rd center who only plays when Collins or Smith are injured. Matas and PJ start with Patrick behind them.

Trading 2 guards gives the Bulls flexibility in who they take back for Vucevic. You have to consider where other teams have excess now and might have after the draft and who they might they might be targeting in the draft. The Bulls could take some team's excess $20M expiring SF and SG or one of each worth $20M total. It also let's them take a G or F at #12 who they have rated higher than a C who even without Powell wouldn't get many minutes. If they truly want the C at #12 they can buy out Powell.

[Dez]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

And Lonzo is not getting him.

Despite the title, the article says the main target is White. Lonzo sounds like a "if every other trade fails" back-up.
Not sure I'd trade White for Lively, I wonder how much upside he has.

I'd absolutely do White for Lively, problem is Dallas wouldn't and rightfully so.

[Infinity2152]

Dallas just traded Luka for Anthony Davis, are likely drafting Cooper Flagg, have Daniel Gafford and PJ Washington. That's 4 bigs, pretty high rated. 5 when you include Lively. With Kyrie out for the season, Coby would be so much more useful to the Mavericks than Lively it's not even close. AD is signed till 2028, locked at center alongside Flagg at PF. They should trade 2 of Lively, Gafford, Washington to strengthen other positions and acquire assets.

Barring injury, no path to starting for Lively before he's a RFA. After swapping Luka (guard) for center/paint defender (Davis), getting guard (Coby) for center (Lively) seems pretty good. They're about the same level, I'd bet Coby is the higher rated player on most NBA payer rankings.

I'm skeptical that getting Lively for Coby is worth it too, but it seems we should be the one's worried, not Dallas. Lively played 55 games his first year, 36 last year and he's not even starting. I wouldn't give up Coby for Lively unless something is coming back. I'm saving Coby for the power trade.

And really, Ball would be even more useful than Coby with Kyrie out. Team has Klay Thompson, PJ Washington, Cooper Flagg, Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford with no floor leader. Ball's as likely to play as Lively, lol.

[Infinity2152]

I see a trade coming that helps both teams balance out, could work great for both teams, but I'm scared to talk into existence because I REALLY don't want to trade Ball.

Bulls get: PJ Washington, Gafford or Lively. Lineup: Giddey, Huerter (or rookie), Matas, PJ Washington, Lively
Kings get: Ball, Coby White Lineup: Ball, White, Klay Thompson, Cooper Flagg, Anthony Davis (until Kyrie comes back)

Of course, Bulls would have to trade a center (Vucecic, Collins both would be nice ) Be left with Lively and Smith at center. Would probably push for Lively because he's much younger.

[Chi town]

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Only player that would fit Chicago window is Lively

Max Christie is the player I would love to get in a trade with them,but thats wishful thinking,same as for Lively. Gafford and Washington are available tho.

I think Zo could get Christie.

I think Vuc and Zo could get Lively.

Mavs should just trade AD and tank for a top pick next year to rebuild with Coop but they will probably try to win right away.

[GuardianEnzo]

Barring injury, no path to starting for Lively before he's a RFA. After swapping Luka (guard) for center/paint defender (Davis), getting guard (Coby) for center (Lively) seems pretty good. They're about the same level, I'd bet Coby is the higher rated player on most NBA payer rankings.

The path to starting is that Davis is always hurt. Lively is the future C there if they choose a long-term plan. Not saying he doesn't have issues but I would definitely take him for Coby (I doubt Dallas would do the deal).

[Chi town]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

[GuardianEnzo]

Coby is also a pending UFA you're probably losing for nothing.

[Infinity2152]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Eye of the beholder. Coby's expiring and 26, Lively is 21 with two more cheap years. He's 21, his PER last season was 20.1. Unless his injuries are chronic, particularly for this team long term, Lively is likely more valuable. He'd be a top 10 pick in this draft at 21, probably.

Like I said, I'd prefer to use Coby in a power trade, but a swap that sent Coby for Lively basically gives us a young lottery pick level center to add to our young core. Except we know this guy can excel at the NBA level. Preserves our cap space too, he's way cheaper than Coby after this summer.

Lively's healthy and starting the next few years, he could be really good. One injury was an ankle stress fracture, out for months, could happen to any player. Don't know what his other injuries are, but big men get knocked around in the NBA and 19 yr old guys get slammed. Wemby's out too.

As for Davis always being hurt, doesn't matter. He's like $60 mill on their cap, they just got him. They have to count on him starting, probably for the next few years. They draft Cooper Flagg, it's more likely he gets a chance to start than Lively. And they still have Gafford, PER 24 last year. Add in PJ Washington, surplus of bigs.

The deal I proposed had PJ Washington coming for Lonzo Ball too. So Ball/White vs Washington/Lively. Washington's role is likely to be minimized if they draft Flagg, we get two talented big men and still have a ton of cap space. Vucevic would go in a separate trade at minimum, so we'd add another guard or wing probably.

[boozapalooza]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Are you forgetting just how good Lively was in their Finals run as a rookie? Hes a cornerstone player for any franchise. I don’t think one year of Coby is enough, especially with how much Nico values defense.

A deal could be made with Gafford, Marshall/Christie, and filler imo

[Infinity2152]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Are you forgetting just how good Lively was in their Finals run as a rookie? Hes a cornerstone player for any franchise. I don’t think one year of Coby is enough, especially with how much Nico values defense.

A deal could be made with Gafford, Marshall/Christie, and filler imo

Gafford's older, expiring and not much upside. Good player, but I wouldn't do it if Lively's not coming. Their plans for Lively had to have changed when they traded for AD and are presumably drafting Flagg all in a few months. Nico loves AD, he's penned in at starting center for years. Only backup center is available. Coby could be a long term starter, and Ball a super useful stand-in until Kyrie gets back. The combination replaces a lot of what they lost in the Luka trade, playmaking, shooting, out of position rebounding, with better POA defense.

[WesPeace]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Are you forgetting just how good Lively was in their Finals run as a rookie? Hes a cornerstone player for any franchise. I don’t think one year of Coby is enough, especially with how much Nico values defense.

A deal could be made with Gafford, Marshall/Christie, and filler imo

Gafford's older, expiring and not much upside. Good player, but I wouldn't do it if Lively's not coming. Their plans for Lively had to have changed when they traded for AD and are presumably drafting Flagg all in a few months. Nico loves AD, he's penned in at starting center for years. Only backup center is available. Coby could be a long term starter, and Ball a super useful stand-in until Kyrie gets back. The combination replaces a lot of what they lost in the Luka trade, playmaking, shooting, out of position rebounding, with better POA defense.

They will have to adjust somehow in Dallas btw.. if they draft Flagg and they 99,9% will he probably slots at PF and AD will have to play center again which he said multiple times in last years he prefers not to, he wants to play at PF alongside center. We shall see what they will do in this situation. Its not out of question AD will be on the move again unless he adapts and plays as a pro at C spot.

Also they dont need to trade for PG while Irving is out, there is few FA options like Tre Young that could fit in nicely.

[ACMFFL]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Eye of the beholder. Coby's expiring and 26, Lively is 21 with two more cheap years. He's 21, his PER last season was 20.1. Unless his injuries are chronic, particularly for this team long term, Lively is likely more valuable. He'd be a top 10 pick in this draft at 21, probably.

Like I said, I'd prefer to use Coby in a power trade, but a swap that sent Coby for Lively basically gives us a young lottery pick level center to add to our young core. Except we know this guy can excel at the NBA level. Preserves our cap space too, he's way cheaper than Coby after this summer.

Lively's healthy and starting the next few years, he could be really good. One injury was an ankle stress fracture, out for months, could happen to any player. Don't know what his other injuries are, but big men get knocked around in the NBA and 19 yr old guys get slammed. Wemby's out too.

As for Davis always being hurt, doesn't matter. He's like $60 mill on their cap, they just got him. They have to count on him starting, probably for the next few years. They draft Cooper Flagg, it's more likely he gets a chance to start than Lively. And they still have Gafford, PER 24 last year. Add in PJ Washington, surplus of bigs.

The deal I proposed had PJ Washington coming for Lonzo Ball too. So Ball/White vs Washington/Lively. Washington's role is likely to be minimized if they draft Flagg, we get two talented big men and still have a ton of cap space. Vucevic would go in a separate trade at minimum, so we'd add another guard or wing probably.

Coming here in peace but if I have to be honest with you guys, that deal is kinda awful for the Mavs: PJ Washington is definitely more valuable than Lonzo and Coby is not worth Lively factoring in his contract status, I mean I can't see the Mavs trading Lively for a rental.

[sco]

Coby is worth way more than Lively.

Dude has been hurt a lot. He hast proven much at all.

AK won’t be trading Coby unless it a big overpay. Lively ain’t that.

Are you forgetting just how good Lively was in their Finals run as a rookie? Hes a cornerstone player for any franchise. I don’t think one year of Coby is enough, especially with how much Nico values defense.

A deal could be made with Gafford, Marshall/Christie, and filler imo

Gafford's older, expiring and not much upside. Good player, but I wouldn't do it if Lively's not coming. Their plans for Lively had to have changed when they traded for AD and are presumably drafting Flagg all in a few months. Nico loves AD, he's penned in at starting center for years. Only backup center is available. Coby could be a long term starter, and Ball a super useful stand-in until Kyrie gets back. The combination replaces a lot of what they lost in the Luka trade, playmaking, shooting, out of position rebounding, with better POA defense.

I also think that AK never admits his mistakes and therefore wouldn't trade for Gafford at any price (but I would).

I still think the deal to target is centered around Ball for Washington. A ball deal would also lend more credence to the Demin rumor. I do think that any Dallas deal would likely need to wait until after the draft to see who we drafted.

[Tetlak]

The Lively glazing is insane right now. Words like "franchise cornerstone" are being thrown out about a run/open dunk/shotblocking center, as if you can't find that for the minimum easily. Obviously Lively is a good player but his skillset is nothing special, and factor in his health and you have a player who is being significantly overvalued.