What if Giannis chooses and Toronto on short list - Does this change Conversation?

[nivisi9]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

the issue is contracts. we dont have any to add players to the mix.

no we have enough contracts especially if we pick 9th and trade him, I made a post breaking down combinations. Many options that can work.

[TheRaptor!]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Scottie is nothing special, at most a Siakam level player in his prime and Siakam was traded for peanuts

Siakam was traded for peanuts because we waited until he had 3 months left on his contract to trade him.

But even then, 3x FRPs is not peanuts. It's just much less than what we could have gotten if we had traded him a year or two earlier.

Theres literally a thead on the general board clowning us for the trade. Unjustifiably, but point still stands.

[canz55]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

I know right, why would the Bucks do it.

The Bucks do it because they're a dead franchise now (you take any trade with picks and a potential star player). They're stuck with the Lillard contract which everyone knew was a gamble and now they're going to pay the price in one form or another.

[Tripod]

Scottie is nothing special, at most a Siakam level player in his prime and Siakam was traded for peanuts

Siakam was traded for peanuts because we waited until he had 3 months left on his contract to trade him.

But even then, 3x FRPs is not peanuts. It's just much less than what we could have gotten if we had traded him a year or two earlier.

Theres literally a thead on the general board clowning us for the trade. Unjustifiably, but point still stands.

And it's simply not true.

There have been no reports of these mythical "better deals" we could have gotten for Siakam. Yet there ARE reports on ones that that were worse than what we got. Hage people forgotten about Bufkin and Griffin?

Just like OG....NY wanted to give us a picks only type deal earlier giving only late 1sts.

[WuTang_OG]

BRK

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[YogurtProducer]

Siakam was traded for peanuts because we waited until he had 3 months left on his contract to trade him.

But even then, 3x FRPs is not peanuts. It's just much less than what we could have gotten if we had traded him a year or two earlier.

Theres literally a thead on the general board clowning us for the trade. Unjustifiably, but point still stands.

And it's simply not true.

There have been no reports of these mythical "better deals" we could have gotten for Siakam. Yet there ARE reports on ones that that were worse than what we got. Hage people forgotten about Bufkin and Griffin?

Just like OG....NY wanted to give us a picks only type deal earlier giving only late 1sts.

Yeah I just don't buy that we missed out on some magical godfather offers for Siakam. Did anyone think we were going to do better than 3 FRP and a rotation player? Like honestly - even using hindsight - what deals were "possible" that were even realistic? We were never getting 5+ FRPs for Siakam, and the Warriors reportedly balked on giving us any of their picks when they had 7/14 that one year. If a contender was not willing to give up 7/14, why do we think there were better deals?

We got pretty good value, considering that Ingram (who is a similar tiered player) we acquired for significantly less despite being in the exact same situation.

In the end, the Siakam deal ended up netting us:

Brown / Olynyk / FRP ---> Ingram
FRP --> Agbaji
FRP --> Walter
Shead (via TPE)
Mitchell --> SRP from LAL in 2026
SRP (#39 this year)

IDK - to me getting a legit all-star caliber guy in Ingram, a good 3+D guy in Agbaji, prospects in Walter/Shead, #39 this year, and another SRP is a VERY good haul.

[Duffman100]

Scottie is nothing special, at most a Siakam level player in his prime and Siakam was traded for peanuts

Siakam was traded for peanuts because we waited until he had 3 months left on his contract to trade him.

But even then, 3x FRPs is not peanuts. It's just much less than what we could have gotten if we had traded him a year or two earlier.

Theres literally a thead on the general board clowning us for the trade. Unjustifiably, but point still stands.

The GB generally 'clowned' all the way up to when we won the title and afterwards. There are a bunch of GB trolls target Raptor threads. I've single handedly identified like 6 of them over the last 3 years.

The GB told us regularly that we overrated and overvalued Siakam and OG. But then all of a sudden the trades are massive mistakes. Same on the T&T board.

[mihaic]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

I know right, why would the Bucks do it.

The Bucks do it because they're a dead franchise now (you take any trade with picks and a potential star player). They're stuck with the Lillard contract which everyone knew was a gamble and now they're going to pay the price in one form or another.

I was sarcastic lol. That said I'd do it ASAP.

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BRK

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Brooklyn is ass... no one's going there unless another player comes with them.

[WuTang_OG]

BRK

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Brooklyn is ass... no one's going there unless another player comes with them.

It's only if Giannis wants NY since he likes it there. They got the most picks to offer too.

[MiamiSPX]

BRK

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Brooklyn is ass... no one's going there unless another player comes with them.

Well that's the thing, he could easily entice someone to make their way there to join him. Unfortunately for us, BKN is another team that I have yet to hear of a player not wanting to go to.

[WuTang_OG]

BRK

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Brooklyn is ass... no one's going there unless another player comes with them.

Well that's the thing, he could easily entice someone to make their way there to join him. Unfortunately for us, BKN is another team that I have yet to hear of a player not wanting to go to.

I said this before but for any team acquiring Giannis, it drastically changes the outlook of the team and how you operate. It's a top 3 player in the league and he will be for the next at least 4 years. There will be many subsequent moves for any team who acquires Giannis.

Giannis is a smart guy and I believe any team he chooses to go to, he will have to hear their plan on how they build around him and how they intend to win a chip - since all these teams will be giving up major assets. Toronto, BRK, Houston, etc will have to make more moves after the deal. This is an all in move, no team is stopping after they get Giannis. But it might take some time for the team to be fully optimal with Giannis leading the charge.

[Smalltown]

Giannis (and a small contract) for Barnes, Dick or Ja'kobe and Agbaji + 1 first and 2 swaps (or a pile of seconds).

I do something like this in a second especially if we can hold on to the 9th this year.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Brook Lopez most likely gone from the Bucks, another sign that Giannis is on the way out.

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[LBJKB24MJ23]

Id trust Poeltl over any of our players. You obviously don't watch games

I watch them and the product of the team is not good the last two years ever since Poeltl was acquired.

Now, that being said, I didn't say Poeltl was not good but as currently constructed and what Poeltl offers the team, this team would serve much better with a better two way player with range vs what Poeltl has shown the last two years.

Thay being said, Poeltl is a good player. But not for this team. Well not until he can show more range in his game. It happened to Brook Lopez I suppose.

Poeltl is wildly underrated by this board. Additionally, he doesn’t need to be a shooter, Scottie does. That opens everything.

both need to be shooters if you want this team to be considered championship quality. otherwise Poeltl (and/or Barnes) are stop gap solutions.

[Merit]

I watch them and the product of the team is not good the last two years ever since Poeltl was acquired.

Now, that being said, I didn't say Poeltl was not good but as currently constructed and what Poeltl offers the team, this team would serve much better with a better two way player with range vs what Poeltl has shown the last two years.

Thay being said, Poeltl is a good player. But not for this team. Well not until he can show more range in his game. It happened to Brook Lopez I suppose.

Poeltl is wildly underrated by this board. Additionally, he doesn’t need to be a shooter, Scottie does. That opens everything.

both need to be shooters if you want this team to be considered championship quality. otherwise Poeltl (and/or Barnes) are stop gap solutions.

I disagree. Most teams are playing two bigs with one that shoots and the other that doesn’t. Boston is the exception rather than the rule.

[Pointgod]

Brook Lopez most likely gone from the Bucks, another sign that Giannis is on the way out.

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This doesn’t mean anything. Brook Lopez is 36 and looked absolutely cooked out there in the playoffs. Giannis is not asking out because the Bucks aren’t bringing back a role player.

[Merit]

Brook Lopez most likely gone from the Bucks, another sign that Giannis is on the way out.

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This doesn’t mean anything. Brook Lopez is 36 and looked absolutely cooked out there in the playoffs. Giannis is not asking out because the Bucks aren’t bringing back a role player.

I disagree. Brook Lopez is the connecting piece that makes it all work. He’s a shooter at the 5 that opens things up for Giannis. He props up their defense and is still very much a solid player. I can almost guarantee he ends up on the lakers.

[TheRaptor!]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

Giannis will never be Kawhi and we'll never have the team to win with Giannis.

This is the Durant situation all over again and people are blowing their load over a player who just isn't as dynamic as people are letting on.

Never say never

Did you believe a Haliburton Siakam led team could make it to the finals?

If any other exec had that kinda faith in Siakam he wouldn't have been traded for peanuts

On that same train of thought, RJ could be a fantastic player if he was pushed down to be a 3rd option. Similar to how Siakam is a great 2nd option but not so much as the lead guy.

[WuTang_OG]

doug

I don’t know if it will happen but I do know there is mutual interest between Antetokounmpo and the Raptors. The wild card is the cost.

But I also think the Raptors are uniquely placed to make an attractive offer that won’t ruin their franchise or roster. I would make the case that a logjam at the wings makes them deep enough that if they had to pay even two out of Gradey Dick, Ochai Agbaji, Ja’Kobe Walter, RJ Barrett, Jonathan Mogbo would still leave enough to fill out a pretty good team with promising young players still developing. Plus, they have all their picks, so giving a first-rounder every year for, say, four years, leaves enough.

The question is if you think the remaining players will develop, just as that group of Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, OG Anunoby and Jakob Poeltl did. Not to that level — that’s a historic young group no one’s come close to matching — but if it can come close, that’s pretty darn good.
Again, the odds of doing a Giannis deal are long but the remnants of paying a steep price isn’t too bad.