Offseason 2025 Thread

[yosemiteben]

Looks like they are a bit over the cap if they hold on to the following players

LaMelo Ball ~ 37,958,760
Miles Bridges ~ 25,000,000
Jusuf Nurkic ~ 19,375,000
Tre Mann ~ 14,725,119 (hold)
Josh Green ~ 13,666,667
Grant Williams ~ 13,645,500
Brandon Miller ~ 11,968,800
Tidjane Salaun ~ 7,863,240
Josh Okogie ~ 7,750,000
Mark Williams ~ 6,276,531
Nick Smith Jr ~ 2,710,680
Moussa Diabate ~ 2,270,735

total: 163,211,032
cap: 154,647,000

They can't get meaningfully under the cap even if they renounced Tre Manns cap hold and cut Okogie. Looks like their only option for Naz Reid would be a S&T. That doesn't seem very likely to me tbh.

At this point I would keep Okogie and try to extend Mann. They need to nail their MLE signing and a consolidation trade or two plus the draft.

Yup, agree completely on that off-season strategy.

[wilson115]

OKC's playoffs guard rotation is one two-way phenom and two POA studs w/point guard ability, their wing depth's one multi-positional two-way phenom and two multi-positional POA studs w/3&D cred, their big rotation's one two-way unicorn and two mobile bruisers.

Who do we have on our roster who's up to slotting into OKC's rotation? Maybe Okogie can take over for Dort if his shooting holds up? Moose as a third big in place of Jaylin?

Who do we have in the draft at #4 (arguably) capable of playing minutes for OKC given their roster construction?

[JMAC3]

When they did the disastrous deal to give up SGA for Miles I was shocked. We needed a SG soooo badly, and have ever since. I felt Miles was a tweener who was a drop in potential comparatively. Mikes was a bit better than I expected but what a massive fail.

So I disagree with those who feel the Hornets drafts have generally been good. Our basement positioning is largely due to these picks. Depth? What depth?

Yes we drafted the 11th best player on big board instead of the 12th absolutely disastrous lol… the way people talk about SGA and that draft they act like he was a consensus top 5 talent… meanwhile if you look post draft grades and predraft big boards it was a perfectly fine move.

Results oriented hindsight drafting is the best

[Bassman]

When they did the disastrous deal to give up SGA for Miles I was shocked. We needed a SG soooo badly, and have ever since. I felt Miles was a tweener who was a drop in potential comparatively. Mikes was a bit better than I expected but what a massive fail.

So I disagree with those who feel the Hornets drafts have generally been good. Our basement positioning is largely due to these picks. Depth? What depth?

Yes we drafted the 11th best player on big board instead of the 12th absolutely disastrous lol… the way people talk about SGA and that draft they act like he was a consensus top 5 talent… meanwhile if you look post draft grades and predraft big boards it was a perfectly fine move.

Results oriented hindsight drafting is the best

Of course nothing is guaranteed, but those of us WANTING to keep SGA at that time weren’t doing anything in hindsight. Like any player who falls to 12th, there were reasons he didn’t go top of the order. But there are reasons why OKC is so loaded. They have excellent scouts, coaching and success drafting year after year. So when a team that good approaches the Hornets wanting a player enough to trade for them, THAT MAY BE A SIGN.

[fatlever]

Tbf it was Clippers not okc

Reminder sga apparently had promise from lac and canceled visit to Charlotte right before draft. That's nata's version. I don't remember exactly other than earlier reports stating sga preferred cha over cavs. But it sounds about right. Still shouldn't have diseuded us if he was our guy.

Miles didn't work out for cha either that yr but dud work out yr before.

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[Bassman]

Tbf it was Clippers not okc

Reminder sga apparently had promise from lac and canceled visit to Charlotte right before draft. That's nata's version. I don't remember exactly other than earlier reports stating sga preferred cha over cavs. But it sounds about right. Still shouldn't have diseuded us if he was our guy.

Miles didn't work out for cha either that yr but dud work out yr before.

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Oopps…my brain showing a slipping clutch. But the amazing OKC finds a way to get him, Clips making the ridiculous reach deal by trading SGA and FIVE first round picks for Paul George! But Hornets started the stupid song.

Thanks for the reset Fats!

[Diop]

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I've changed my plan completely, bring back Oak and make him a coach again.

I hadn't heard about Oak threatening to hit Crash before

[Liver_Pooty]

I know we have invested a little in Simpson but im tired of not having a legit backup PG. Go after Tyus Jones.

[LofJ]

KOC trying to sell us false hope.

Read on Twitter

[Braggins]

There is reason to be hopeful IF the front office is any good.

I wouldn't really be trying to trade the #4 pick though.

[JustBuzzin]

Trade for Giannis do something bold for a change!

[EmpireFalls]

KOC trying to sell us false hope.

Read on Twitter

Sorry KOC and long-suffering Hornets fans, Jeff wants to trade all of our good players so he can create a team of Josh Greens and Tidjane Salauns instead.

[Liver_Pooty]

I guess that means we’re taking on PG13s contract for the 3rd pick huh (Wouldn’t mind it)

[fatlever]

I guess that means we’re taking on PG13s contract for the 3rd pick huh (Wouldn’t mind it)

what would that even look like? i have no idea. only saves them 7 mil this year and 25 mil after. is pgs contract that toxic that they would attach 3 to move it? seems crazy to me. just keep pg and add ace/tre/vj/malauch/kon or trade 3 for a vet. but... best we could do...

pg +3 to hornets for

miles, nurk, okogie and maybe one of those future firsts?

[Liver_Pooty]

I guess that means we’re taking on PG13s contract for the 3rd pick huh (Wouldn’t mind it)

what would that even look like? i have no idea. only saves them 7 mil this year and 25 mil after. is pgs contract that toxic that they would attach 3 to move it? seems crazy to me. just keep pg and add ace/tre/vj/malauch/kon or trade 3 for a vet. but... best we could do...

pg +3 to hornets for

miles, nurk, okogie and maybe one of those future firsts?

lol I honestly have no idea. I leave stuff like that to the trade and cap gurus around here.

[SWedd523]

#3 doesn't really interest me much. I don't see a ton of separation between Ace and VJ so I'm fine with either.

If there was a way to snag Harper, however, then a conversation should be had

[JMAC3]

This off-season. We all agree the Meta is just pickup options for Okogie, Moussa because we have no cap space regardless. Hold off on deciding on Tre until reading below:

However, the following off-season. Nurkic, Okogie, Mark will be "off-books". Salary cap will be 170 million, we will have 140 million or so in committed salary once we have the #4 pick and multiple firsts in 2026. So let's say 30 million in cap assuming we don't resign Tre Mann.

- So if you give Tre, 3/30, you will only have 20 million in cap space next summer.
- Mark will be unsigned, so in order to retain him he probably eats the majority of that 20 million.

Do you feel comfortable not adding any major free agents to the group the next two summers outside of resigning Mann and Mark?

[Snidely FC]

I'm okay not re-signing Tre Mann

Maybe they replace him with Edgecombe

[yosemiteben]

Do you feel comfortable not adding any major free agents to the group the next two summers outside of resigning Mann and Mark?

I would, at least excluding the MLE. Generally speaking free agency is not a dependable way to add top tier talent, much better to add draft assets and use them in trades.

[JustBuzzin]

I'm okay not re-signing Tre Mann

Maybe they replace him with Edgecombe

We lose Mann we need to replace his scoring.

In that case we have to draft Tre Johnson imo.

We already lack scoring as is. Losing Mann we have nobody off the bench who can score. As much as people like VJ and his fit, he's not considered a scorer. He's a defense/connector. Melo/Miller/Miles is just not enough on offense.