PG: Out of our Misery

[LFGK]

Jalen wants to run it back with the same core, and wants Thibs back. Knowing how Leon moves, it’s likely what’s going to happen.

Probably just make some marginal moves/signings like ring-chasing vets.

Just hope Thibs takes these playoff adjustments into next season starting opening night.

It was refreshing to hear JB give everyone the vote of confidence.

Unless Thibs figures something out though I can't justify playing Karl and him together defensively though.

Maybe we need to look at how Malone managed to win with Murray and Joker. How did they cover for the lack of D?

That duo is no better then our duo defensively. The year they won they had a NASTY be (B Brown who I want us to get)

[Iron Mantis]

Do his teammates who are complaining to the press about him also having an agenda ?

I just have to find out more information because what teammate/teammates are doing the complaining?

That is not something Brunson would do to the media. He even was extremely complimentary of KAT in the post game.

So who was it? Hart? Better not be dude was getting beat back door and turning the ball over all series.

Maybe it was Mikal and OG since they have to do much of the defensive work to make up for KAt and Brunson.

Doesn't sound like Mitch. He doesn't want to spend any time talking to the media.

I wouldn't think any bench player is prominent enough to talk.

Clearly we saw him going rogue a lot but isn't that on the coaching to correct that. You call a timeout point out his mistakes and correct them. And if they continue you take him out?

With all that said he still posted our best plus/minus in regular season and playoffs so he keeps **** up but they win his minutes?

KAT had a positive impact in the series and the playoffs..the numbers don't lie.

It ain't Brunson "complaining". It ain't Mitch complaining. Only KAT and those two mentioned showed up and outplayed their matchups...

Anyone else "complaining" is goofy when they didn't show up vs Indy and didn't have a positive impact on the series.

If we have toxic players stirring up contention in the locker room and leaking family business then they're not good teammates or maybe they want out.......good..they can complain on another team after we trade them for guys who will actually show up in the playoffs.....

[MrDollarBills]

Our defensive rating last year in the playoffs was 120.6

Our defensive rating this year in the playoffs was 113.2



But facts right?

Oh wow.

We are a way better team than last year for sure. We just gotta figure out this JB and KAT problem.

[MrDollarBills]

Jalen wants to run it back with the same core, and wants Thibs back. Knowing how Leon moves, it’s likely what’s going to happen.

Probably just make some marginal moves/signings like ring-chasing vets.

Just hope Thibs takes these playoff adjustments into next season starting opening night.

It was refreshing to hear JB give everyone the vote of confidence.

Unless Thibs figures something out though I can't justify playing Karl and him together defensively though.

Maybe we need to look at how Malone managed to win with Murray and Joker. How did they cover for the lack of D?

That duo is no better then our duo defensively. The year they won they had a NASTY be (B Brown who I want us to get)

Yeah we need to look at how they did it. These guys also nearly knocked out OKC this year. I think there's something to it:

Their starters in 2023 were:

Joker - Gordon - Porter Jr - Caldwell Pope - Murrary

Compared to ours:

Karl- OG - Josh - Mikal - Brunson

Maybe we need to flip Mikal for a PF that can cover ground and and space?

Bruce Brown aka Lana Rhoades' baby daddy is my guy, I'd love to bring him in. His ball handle is decent and he'd help Brunson in the backcourt. However, his shooting is very suspect.

[spree8]

Jalen wants to run it back with the same core, and wants Thibs back. Knowing how Leon moves, it’s likely what’s going to happen.

Probably just make some marginal moves/signings like ring-chasing vets.

Just hope Thibs takes these playoff adjustments into next season starting opening night.

It was refreshing to hear JB give everyone the vote of confidence.

Unless Thibs figures something out though I can't justify playing Karl and him together defensively though.

Maybe we need to look at how Malone managed to win with Murray and Joker. How did they cover for the lack of D?

Joker may not be the most vertical defender or quickest lateral defender (most bigs aren’t), but he’s got an incredibly high IQ which he uses on defense too. He’s got quick and active hands, can read what the opponent is trying to do, and has very good anticipation that allows him to break up plays. That’s why he can roam.

KAT on the other hand, has horrible IQ so he’s often lost when trying to do anything more than cover 1 man. That’s why I always push switching on defense… it simplifies things for him. Same with Jalen.

Thibs finally realized that, but still had these guys revert back to drop coverage and fighting over screens the next game after the switch heavy defense worked. I just don’t get it.

[MrDollarBills]

Jalen wants to run it back with the same core, and wants Thibs back. Knowing how Leon moves, it’s likely what’s going to happen.

Probably just make some marginal moves/signings like ring-chasing vets.

Just hope Thibs takes these playoff adjustments into next season starting opening night.

It was refreshing to hear JB give everyone the vote of confidence.

Unless Thibs figures something out though I can't justify playing Karl and him together defensively though.

Maybe we need to look at how Malone managed to win with Murray and Joker. How did they cover for the lack of D?

Joker may not be the most vertical defender or quickest lateral defender (most bigs aren’t), but he’s got an incredibly high IQ which he uses on defense too. He’s got quick and active hands, can read what the opponent is trying to do, and has very good anticipation that allows him to break up plays. That’s why he can roam.

KAT on the other hand, has horrible IQ so he’s often lost when trying to do anything more than cover 1 man. That’s why I always push switching on defense… it simplifies things for him. Same with Jalen.

Thibs finally realized that, but still had these guys revert back to drop coverage and fighting over screens the next game after the switch heavy defense worked. I just don’t get it.

I don't understand it either. Every time we find something that works we revert back to what gets our asses kicked. It's baffling

[K_ick_God]

Numbers tell the tale — seems like KAT is not the biggest liability.

Also he wasn’t involved in Brunson’s pass to 0g with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. That was JB, 0g and Thibs. He wasn’t the one who put JB back even though the Knicks were in command of the game.

We’d have at least had had a G7 at home if we were up 1-0.

KAT makes a ton and was the number one pick — that means he’s more likely to be a target. He’s also not a truly great all around player but you’re winning his minutes so it’s hard to see him as the main culprit. He is fully capable of doing dumb stuff though.

The Pacers get more out of their role players than the Knicks do. Ours are pricey and came up short. Mikal and 0g were awful numbers wise and not much better on the eye test, though they had their moments.

[MrDollarBills]

i’m officially on giannis antentokunmpo watch

Watch him go to another team

Remember, Milwaukee is in no position to tank. So it may play in our favor.

I'd probably see what Phoenix wants for Durant tho in the process just in case.

[Reign23]

I'm very troubled by the original post. It was made clear that this kind of behavior wasn't acceptable, and the result was a suspension for a first offense. Given that everybody understands the position of the board on this, to do a discredited meme about KAT (and bring **** about one of our players) to this thread is really out of bounds. This has got to stop. How?

It’s a meme that went viral last night. Twitter does it to everyone when they play bad, which apparently you aren’t aware of. I’m assuming you probably don’t even know how to operate Twitter. Stop trying to back seat moderate and falsely accuse people of homophobia.

You're not spinning this one. KAT isn't only dressed as a McD worker he's also done up as a woman with long nails, makeup, etc. This is homophobic and nobody believes you when you claim it's not. You are not innocent and pretending to be will not save you from criticism because nobody believes you because you're always lying.

Also pointing out that action needs to be taken and mods aren't doing it isn't backseat moderating. Mods needs to do their jobs you're on your 756th 'last warning'

that seems low tbh. he is into more arguments with people in this thread than I was my entire life. but its always the fault of the other 100th posters, that play "victim".

no backseat moderating please. -JVG

[Jeff Van Gully]

It was refreshing to hear JB give everyone the vote of confidence.

Unless Thibs figures something out though I can't justify playing Karl and him together defensively though.

Maybe we need to look at how Malone managed to win with Murray and Joker. How did they cover for the lack of D?

Joker may not be the most vertical defender or quickest lateral defender (most bigs aren’t), but he’s got an incredibly high IQ which he uses on defense too. He’s got quick and active hands, can read what the opponent is trying to do, and has very good anticipation that allows him to break up plays. That’s why he can roam.

KAT on the other hand, has horrible IQ so he’s often lost when trying to do anything more than cover 1 man. That’s why I always push switching on defense… it simplifies things for him. Same with Jalen.

Thibs finally realized that, but still had these guys revert back to drop coverage and fighting over screens the next game after the switch heavy defense worked. I just don’t get it.

I don't understand it either. Every time we find something that works we revert back to what gets our asses kicked. It's baffling

katz on KFS gave some valuable perspective on the state and impact of team culture. that's not to be on some "it's on the players." but it was helpful in my processing to hear about the challenges that every team of players has to overcome internally as part of it.

i feel like katz did that on the heels of the release of his writing used in what he thought to be a hit piece. really, really interesting stuff.

my takeaways were that a lot of inconsistencies are coming from the players genuinely struggling to interact with each other on several levels, and that we may have underestimated how some of the moving pieces impacted the parts of that which were a big strength of last year's group.

i thought it explained a lot of the inconsistency. it also explains why we hear "communication" and "execution" so much in player interviews. like, they really saying it. it's not just canned spam.

edit: also part of that was that they like and believe in each other, but just haven't figured out how to do their part on the court.

[RHODEY]

i’m officially on giannis antentokunmpo watch

Watch him go to another team

Remember, Milwaukee is in no position to tank. So it may play in our favor.

I'd probably see what Phoenix wants for Durant tho in the process just in case.

Sure but no way do I give PHX much for Durant, certainly not Kat. And since he has a huge contract we'd have to overpay,

[K_ick_God]

Why didn’t Thibs challenge the call on Deuce being out?

Maybe he couldn’t, don’t care enough to investigate, but if he could, it’s another major problem.

It is one thing about defensive coverage and who to play — but you can’t have a coach who misses key opportunities to simply push certain buttons that could well win games.

Like what …?

[MrDollarBills]

Joker may not be the most vertical defender or quickest lateral defender (most bigs aren’t), but he’s got an incredibly high IQ which he uses on defense too. He’s got quick and active hands, can read what the opponent is trying to do, and has very good anticipation that allows him to break up plays. That’s why he can roam.

KAT on the other hand, has horrible IQ so he’s often lost when trying to do anything more than cover 1 man. That’s why I always push switching on defense… it simplifies things for him. Same with Jalen.

Thibs finally realized that, but still had these guys revert back to drop coverage and fighting over screens the next game after the switch heavy defense worked. I just don’t get it.

I don't understand it either. Every time we find something that works we revert back to what gets our asses kicked. It's baffling

katz on KFS gave some valuable perspective on the state and impact of team culture. that's not to be on some "it's on the players." but it was helpful in my processing to hear about the challenges that every team of players has to overcome internally as part of it.

i feel like katz did that on the heels of the release of his writing used in what he thought to be a hit piece. really, really interesting stuff.

my takeaways were that a lot of inconsistencies are coming from the players genuinely struggling to interact with each other on several levels, and that we may have underestimated how some of the moving pieces impacted the parts of that which were a big strength of last year's group.

i thought it explained a lot of the inconsistency. it also explains why we hear "communication" and "execution" so much in player interviews. like, they really saying it. it's not just canned spam.

Yeah I think it's obvious that these guys were never on the same page at all the entire year. When PJ started talking about communication and then we kept hearing about it after every loss. Even Mitch was getting on himself about not communicating defensively.

KAT and JB not being able to function offensively as a tandem in PnR/PnP screams that the chemistry is either bad or not where it needs to be.

If we are running it back with this core group, these guys need to spend some time this summer together working out, watching film and developing chemistry. Because the communication starts between them. Tom can't speak for them.

Brunson is the leader so I expect him to work towards fixing things.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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thank you so much for your leadership. it's needed and appreciated.

[MrDollarBills]

Watch him go to another team

Remember, Milwaukee is in no position to tank. So it may play in our favor.

I'd probably see what Phoenix wants for Durant tho in the process just in case.

Sure but no why do I give PHX much for Durant, certainly not Kat. And since he has a huge contract we'd have to overpay,

Unfortunately it would be impossible to trade for Durant without moving KAT unless we give up Mikal, Josh, and Mitch in the process.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I don't understand it either. Every time we find something that works we revert back to what gets our asses kicked. It's baffling

katz on KFS gave some valuable perspective on the state and impact of team culture. that's not to be on some "it's on the players." but it was helpful in my processing to hear about the challenges that every team of players has to overcome internally as part of it.

i feel like katz did that on the heels of the release of his writing used in what he thought to be a hit piece. really, really interesting stuff.

my takeaways were that a lot of inconsistencies are coming from the players genuinely struggling to interact with each other on several levels, and that we may have underestimated how some of the moving pieces impacted the parts of that which were a big strength of last year's group.

i thought it explained a lot of the inconsistency. it also explains why we hear "communication" and "execution" so much in player interviews. like, they really saying it. it's not just canned spam.

Yeah I think it's obvious that these guys were never on the same page at all the entire year. When PJ started talking about communication and then we kept hearing about it after every loss. Even Mitch was getting on himself about not communicating defensively.

KAT and JB not being able to function offensively as a tandem in PnR/PnP screams that the chemistry is either bad or not where it needs to be.

If we are running it back with this core group, these guys need to spend some time this summer together working out, watching film and developing chemistry. Because the communication starts between them. Tom can't speak for them.

Brunson is the leader so I expect him to work towards fixing things.

i think they have recognition on what to do in that regard. i am talking myself off the ledge in reminding myself that this is the first year of it with major changes super late in the offseason. they did a lot despite those challenges.

still sucks. all of it can be true. i'm proud and disappointed at the same damn time.

i do expect all of it to be better next season, as it has been year over year since JB's arrival.

[Iron Mantis]

Our defensive rating last year in the playoffs was 120.6

Our defensive rating this year in the playoffs was 113.2



But facts right?

Wait a minute...we were told repeatedly:

Knicks plus KAT = worst defense in the universe.

Knicks minus KAT = best defense in the universe.

How is such an anomaly possible? Your numerical sorcery has broken the mathematics.

[god shammgod]

towns plus minus is a reflection of him playing with the bench unit in this series. mcbride has the best and mitch had the 2nd best until they made him a starter. landry shamet played a total of 83 minutes and is 3rd best and wright played 48 minutes and is 4th best. context matters.

[spree8]

I don't understand it either. Every time we find something that works we revert back to what gets our asses kicked. It's baffling

katz on KFS gave some valuable perspective on the state and impact of team culture. that's not to be on some "it's on the players." but it was helpful in my processing to hear about the challenges that every team of players has to overcome internally as part of it.

i feel like katz did that on the heels of the release of his writing used in what he thought to be a hit piece. really, really interesting stuff.

my takeaways were that a lot of inconsistencies are coming from the players genuinely struggling to interact with each other on several levels, and that we may have underestimated how some of the moving pieces impacted the parts of that which were a big strength of last year's group.

i thought it explained a lot of the inconsistency. it also explains why we hear "communication" and "execution" so much in player interviews. like, they really saying it. it's not just canned spam.

Yeah I think it's obvious that these guys were never on the same page at all the entire year. When PJ started talking about communication and then we kept hearing about it after every loss. Even Mitch was getting on himself about not communicating defensively.

KAT and JB not being able to function offensively as a tandem in PnR/PnP screams that the chemistry is either bad or not where it needs to be.

If we are running it back with this core group, these guys need to spend some time this summer together working out, watching film and developing chemistry. Because the communication starts between them. Tom can't speak for them.

Brunson is the leader so I expect him to work towards fixing things.

Yea that’s the other part of why Denver won a title… Joker n Murray’s 2-man game is amazing. So between that, Joker being better than KAT overall, and their coaching (Malone is a better coach than Thibs, just because he’s an old white guy that plays shorter rotations doesn’t mean he’s the same lol), it got the job done.

If Thibs consistently sticks with the adjustments he made in the PO starting day 1… switch heavy defense, playing 9-10 guys every night so our guys aren’t dead this time of year (I think a lot of the TOV’s were just mental fatigue), and Jalen n KAT work on developing a 2-man game, then we could win. Gotta work on that transition defense too and shoot more 3’s.

[BKlutch]

Sprinkling in a little bit of homophobia to add to the long list of things that make you a bad person?

I'm very troubled by the original post. It was made clear that this kind of behavior wasn't acceptable, and the result was a suspension for a first offense. Given that everybody understands the position of the board on this, to do a discredited meme about KAT (and bring **** about one of our players) to this thread is really out of bounds. This has got to stop. How?

It’s a meme that went viral last night. Twitter does it to everyone when they play bad, which apparently you aren’t aware of. I’m assuming you probably don’t even know how to operate Twitter. Stop trying to back seat moderate and falsely accuse people of homophobia.

This is certainly NOT about me, but about your post. I don't care if it was all over Xitter. This is RealGM and the fact is, it's supposed to be better than Xitter.