The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[BobbieL]

The Minnesota Timberwolves contacted at least one Eastern Conference team about helping to facilitate a deal between them and the Phoenix Suns involving Kevin Durant, according to Jake Fischer of The People's Insider.

I would assume the Nets but just a guess.

How aggressive do the Twolves truly want to be?

How about somehow getting them to take on O'Neale or Allen for a better fit for the Suns

[BobbieL]

With all the teams star hunting how are we not blowing up this dumpster fire?!

Stupidity - Booker should be on the market - at least listen

If the value isn't there - fine. But they should be listening

[TeamTragic]

I would assume the Nets but just a guess.

How aggressive do the Twolves truly want to be?

How about somehow getting them to take on O'Neale or Allen for a better fit for the Suns

Yes. I can see multiple players involved once we get under the second apron.

[BobbieL]

I would assume the Nets but just a guess.

How aggressive do the Twolves truly want to be?

How about somehow getting them to take on O'Neale or Allen for a better fit for the Suns

Yes. I can see multiple players involved once we get under the second apron.

Yep -- the Suns have to get there. So a team like the Twolves -- they can enhance their offer to the Suns by taking on maybe a contract that long term isn't desirable for an expiring contract.

Teams like the Knicks and maybe Twolves will have to get creative

In a couple weeks - post NBA Finals - let the fun begin!

[TeamTragic]

How aggressive do the Twolves truly want to be?

How about somehow getting them to take on O'Neale or Allen for a better fit for the Suns

Yes. I can see multiple players involved once we get under the second apron.

Yep -- the Suns have to get there. So a team like the Twolves -- they can enhance their offer to the Suns by taking on maybe a contract that long term isn't desirable for an expiring contract.

Teams like the Knicks and maybe Twolves will have to get creative

In a couple weeks - post NBA Finals - let the fun begin!

Reid will be opting out and a few other players might be moved so Wolves need to be creative.

Ultimately I don't think they will have a good enough offer.

[bwgood77]

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How are we not top 3 considering we have the most bleak future out of any team in the NBA?

I think a pretty healthy majority of the fanbase wants to keep Booker, so I don't think most of the fanbase sees it that way yet. I guess it would be good if I could be blissful since there isn't anything I can do to impact the future of the team, but I'd be happier if our team had the assets (including players/contracts/picks/etc) of any other team in the NBA. And Dallas would probably be in the upper half for sure...probably top quartile.

[lilfishi22]

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As expected. Reid will opt out but there's a chance Randle picks it up and goes into FA next offseason where there is probably more money around.

[bwgood77]

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How are we not top 3 considering we have the most bleak future out of any team in the NBA?

I think a pretty healthy majority of the fanbase wants to keep Booker, so I don't think most of the fanbase sees it that way yet. I guess it would be good if I could be blissful since there isn't anything I can do to impact the future of the team, but I'd be happier if our team had the assets (including players/contracts/picks/etc) of any other team in the NBA. And Dallas would probably be in the upper half for sure...probably top quartile. Kings might be the only one close....Sixers pretty bad too. But a lot of time, fanbases that do very well but come up short get the most negatiive. Ours seemed more negative when we had gone to the finals, won 64 teams and lost in 7 in the second round than when we had Bender, Chriss and Josh Jackson.

Which may have influenced trading the entire team and all our picks from that WC Champion/64 win team for KD, Beal, Nurkic and Allen.

Kings still own all their picks after this draft though, plus a SA pick in 27. Philly owes one of their next two year's firsts to OKC, unless they finish with a top 4 pick both years. So OKC probably will get a good pick from them in one of the next 3 years, and of course OKC keeps all their own as well.

Even if OKC wasn't any good at all right now, I'd like how they were set up for the future.

[lilfishi22]

Asking Booker before drafting Ayton and before trading for KD has worked so well so why not do it again. Just proves this FO has no vision and no clue how to build a great team.

What?

Booker gave his opinion on whether we took DA or Luka? I've never heard that before

Well that with Booker's early fixation on Bryant and the Kobe/ Shaq premise. But likely moreso was the under diiscussed factors around Ayton being the glaring choice of the Uof A alumni boosters (Sarver himself was a part of) as a university profit driven promotion strategy.

And of course Sarvers' bankers mentality envisioning shared profits and potential kickbacks as a result of making Ayton a #1 NBA pick to draw attention/ interest, merchandise and recruiting reputation to the university, etc.


Those things probably sealed the deal for our greedy owner at the time. Along with the premise of having two ego driven ball dominant guards trying to claim the lion's share of the possessions and accolades as well as being able to call themselves the true franchise superstar of the team. Booker in no way wanted to share that title with Doncic.

This is why I kept mentioning it was unlikely to happen around the 2018 draft. Along with many others!

That wasn't Book. That was what Ayton said just before he got drafted.

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[bwgood77]

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I wish this didn't make me think of Trump and Musk.

[lilfishi22]

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How are we not top 3 considering we have the most bleak future out of any team in the NBA?

I think a pretty healthy majority of the fanbase wants to keep Booker, so I don't think most of the fanbase sees it that way yet. I guess it would be good if I could be blissful since there isn't anything I can do to impact the future of the team, but I'd be happier if our team had the assets (including players/contracts/picks/etc) of any other team in the NBA. And Dallas would probably be in the upper half for sure...probably top quartile.

There's also seemingly very little correlation between competitiveness, longer term view and fan negativity. Boston is right up there and they just won a championship a year ago and still have the two Jays moving forward. And Pistons had a 30 win improvement this season, took the EC Finalist to 6 and are clearly trending upwards.

[bwgood77]

So when is it a crime to have a really good Robin? Not his fault he’s the only hero in this comic book.

I don't know why, but it made me think of this...

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[bwgood77]

Watching Indiana go to the finals makes me furious!

We could have had Hali our PG of the future who is a much better floor leader than Booker ever was.

I've said this million times now, but passing up on Haliburton is really unforgivable.

People will point to the botched drafts with Bender, Josh Jackson, Ayton - but all those guys were highly rated and just didn't pan out.

Tyrese dropped unexpectedly to the end of the lottery, after being slotted to go in the first half of the lottery in all mocks, and came at a time when Suns fans had just endured years of Mike James, Canaan and Tyler Ulis as our starting PGs.

The perfect player fell into our laps unexpectedly and our front office (probably emboldened by the Cam Johnson gamble paying off) decided to get cute by drafting a guy projected to go in the second round.

Haliburton would have played under the tutelage of CP3 for a couple of years, could have gotten plenty of minutes as a combo guard, and could have then taken over the Helms. The suns would have been set for years to come with a young line up of Haliburton, Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton.

Such a ridiculous pick, especially given our needs. There was talk about what he wanted or didn't want at the time, but that felt like a bunch of hogwash. Like a top rated PG would want to go not only to Sac, but to a team with a young cornerstone PG. Paul was obviously old.

And if he really had believed in Jalen Smith, he would have picked up his option. I mean as a rookie he had no training camp, because of that short season, then COVID, was injured, etc then going into the next season we declined his option.

So we end up with a year of Torrey Craig instead of Haliburton on a rookie deal.

[bwgood77]

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How are we not top 3 considering we have the most bleak future out of any team in the NBA?

I think a pretty healthy majority of the fanbase wants to keep Booker, so I don't think most of the fanbase sees it that way yet. I guess it would be good if I could be blissful since there isn't anything I can do to impact the future of the team, but I'd be happier if our team had the assets (including players/contracts/picks/etc) of any other team in the NBA. And Dallas would probably be in the upper half for sure...probably top quartile.

There's also seemingly very little correlation between competitiveness, longer term view and fan negativity. Boston is right up there and they just won a championship a year ago and still have the two Jays moving forward. And Pistons had a 30 win improvement this season, took the EC Finalist to 6 and are clearly trending upwards.

I agree. I generally like to be positive and will under most any circumstances. But I've never witnessed such blatant recklessness....at least in sports team management. Which is pretty amazing given Sarver and McD were bad to horrible a lot. But nothing close to this.

[lilfishi22]

I think a pretty healthy majority of the fanbase wants to keep Booker, so I don't think most of the fanbase sees it that way yet. I guess it would be good if I could be blissful since there isn't anything I can do to impact the future of the team, but I'd be happier if our team had the assets (including players/contracts/picks/etc) of any other team in the NBA. And Dallas would probably be in the upper half for sure...probably top quartile.

There's also seemingly very little correlation between competitiveness, longer term view and fan negativity. Boston is right up there and they just won a championship a year ago and still have the two Jays moving forward. And Pistons had a 30 win improvement this season, took the EC Finalist to 6 and are clearly trending upwards.

I agree. I generally like to be positive and will under most any circumstances. But I've never witnessed such blatant recklessness....at least in sports team management. Which is pretty amazing given Sarver and McD were bad to horrible a lot. But nothing close to this.

Sarver and McD weren't reckless but they were worse imo especially given the opportunities they had. Sarver had his opportunities to go further with the SSOL SUns and McD had his opportunities with B2B2B high lotto picks. Sarver essentially tore down the SSOL Suns because he wasn't willing to invest in the team despite being close a number of times. Those were times when you really wished he was more reckless in a fiscal perspective. Then of course you had McD with his complete mismanagement of a team for 5 years or whatever during a crucial period of foundation building.

I hope Ishbia pulls back on the recklessness but continues to be an open wallet where it's appropriate. I still don't see Ishbia as being worse than Sarver yet.

[garrick]

There's also seemingly very little correlation between competitiveness, longer term view and fan negativity. Boston is right up there and they just won a championship a year ago and still have the two Jays moving forward. And Pistons had a 30 win improvement this season, took the EC Finalist to 6 and are clearly trending upwards.

I agree. I generally like to be positive and will under most any circumstances. But I've never witnessed such blatant recklessness....at least in sports team management. Which is pretty amazing given Sarver and McD were bad to horrible a lot. But nothing close to this.

Sarver and McD weren't reckless but they were worse imo especially given the opportunities they had. Sarver had his opportunities to go further with the SSOL SUns and McD had his opportunities with B2B2B high lotto picks. Sarver essentially tore down the SSOL Suns because he wasn't willing to invest in the team despite being close a number of times. Those were times when you really wished he was more reckless in a fiscal perspective. Then of course you had McD with his complete mismanagement of a team for 5 years or whatever during a crucial period of foundation building.

I hope Ishbia pulls back on the recklessness but continues to be an open wallet where it's appropriate. I still don't see Ishbia as being worse than Sarver yet.

I beg to disagree.

Sarver and McD didn't put the team in such dire straits by trading away half their picks for half a decade then putting swaps on the remaining picks so that we would most likely be picking very late in the draft nor did he take on a horrible value contract in someone like Beal who can't be traded unless he consents and even then it would take a miracle to offload his contract.

I think Sarver's issue was he didn't fire McD fast enough because he wasted most of the lottery picks during his tenure like passing over Tatum for JJ or picking Bender and Marquiss who had no business being drafted in the 1st round.

[KdoubleDees23]

Get Toronto and Minnesota together.

Give us McDaniels, Poetl, and a 1st for KD

[TeamTragic]

Get Toronto and Minnesota together.

Give us McDaniels, Poetl, and a 1st for KD

Absolutely disgusting.

[KdoubleDees23]

Get Toronto and Minnesota together.

Give us McDaniels, Poetl, and a 1st for KD

Absolutely disgusting.

How is that disgusting ?

Sign Russ Westbrook, draft Walter Clayton Jr.

I would rather watch

Westbrook, WCJ
Booker, Beal
McDaniels, Allen
Dunn, Oneale
Poetl, Richards

over what we have now

[Sunsdeuce]

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I wish this didn't make me think of Trump and Musk.

Don’t put that evil on us!!!