Giannis to Raptors

[One_and_Done]

You've been here long enough, you can get your point across better than using words like crap to describe a teams assets. Barnes isn't crap anyways 20/8/6/2/1 isn't awful for a 23 year old who plays elite defense

Barnes is a flawed player. You don't want him on a team that's trying to win at the highest levels. It would actually sabotage the Bucks rebuild efforts to have to try and build around this guy, just as it has sabotaged the Raptors.

How did he sabotage Toronto? The Raptors were running on fumes from deep playoff runs the team was clearly stuck at a crossroads and Masai kept trying to hold onto the idea of a Siakam/FVV/OG Anunoby and Barnes new wave team but Pascal, Barnes and OG were not a great fit neither one is a guard or center you had OG as a SF and two talented PFs in Barnes and Pascal who like Barnes needs the ball to be at his best.

Masai should have moved OG and Pascal a year earlier for better returns and commented to a full rebuild. Point is Barnes is far from crap which is what my original point was. If Milwaukee doesn't want him I am sure other teams would be willing to move pieces for him.

I just think Milwaukee isn't going to get Thurs record haul of top draft picks/high end prospects/cap relief that some expect. If San Antonio or Dallas give you their pick plus multiple others including swaps and say tyre Spurs add Castle to it and Sochan that's a pretty solid offer I can't see teams beating that and still having the team that Giannis would want to be a part of.

Well the Raptors let Siakam go because he 'didn't fit next to Barnes'. What would the Raptors have been like the last 3 years, if instead of worrying about who fit with Barnes they'd started Siakam, OG, FVV, Powell, and a solid 5. They'd likely have just had three 45-50 win seasons for the fans to enjoy. Scottie is better suited to being a 6th man until he learns to shoot. They wouldn't have had to pay him that ridiculous max contract either.

The Raptors will never win anything with Barnes as the best or even second best player. Treating him like a star just cripples the team.

As for the Spurs, if they move Castle, filler like Keldon/Branham/Wesley, and 5-6 future picks, they still have plenty around Giannis. They'd be starting Giannis/Wemby/Fox/Barnes/Vassell, then have a bench of Harper/Sochan/Champs. Looks like a title contender to me. Harper would start once he's ready.

[Tripod]

Barnes is a flawed player. You don't want him on a team that's trying to win at the highest levels. It would actually sabotage the Bucks rebuild efforts to have to try and build around this guy, just as it has sabotaged the Raptors.

How did he sabotage Toronto? The Raptors were running on fumes from deep playoff runs the team was clearly stuck at a crossroads and Masai kept trying to hold onto the idea of a Siakam/FVV/OG Anunoby and Barnes new wave team but Pascal, Barnes and OG were not a great fit neither one is a guard or center you had OG as a SF and two talented PFs in Barnes and Pascal who like Barnes needs the ball to be at his best.

Masai should have moved OG and Pascal a year earlier for better returns and commented to a full rebuild. Point is Barnes is far from crap which is what my original point was. If Milwaukee doesn't want him I am sure other teams would be willing to move pieces for him.

I just think Milwaukee isn't going to get Thurs record haul of top draft picks/high end prospects/cap relief that some expect. If San Antonio or Dallas give you their pick plus multiple others including swaps and say tyre Spurs add Castle to it and Sochan that's a pretty solid offer I can't see teams beating that and still having the team that Giannis would want to be a part of.

Well the Raptors let Siakam go because he 'didn't fit next to Barnes'. What would the Raptors have been like the last 3 years, if instead of worrying about who fit with Barnes they'd started Siakam, OG, FVV, Powell, and a solid 5. They'd likely have just had three 45-50 win seasons for the fans to enjoy. Scottie is better suited to being a 6th man until he learns to shoot. They wouldn't have had to pay him that ridiculous max contract either.

The Raptors will never win anything with Barnes as the best or even second best player. Treating him like a star just cripples the team.

As for the Spurs, if they move Castle, filler like Keldon/Branham/Wesley, and 5-6 future picks, they still have plenty around Giannis. They'd be starting Giannis/Wemby/Fox/Barnes/Vassell, then have a bench of Harper/Sochan/Champs. Looks like a title contender to me. Harper would start once he's ready.

The Raptors had FVV, Siakam and OG....and were 5th last in the league....led by Nurse. You can't pretend that didn't happen.

Oh, then they added Yak....and lost in the playin to a little girl yelling. Remember? Then Fred left, and a Siakam/OG led team failed again...and both were moved

Then all 3 got paid BIG MONEY. Fred 1st on Rockets. Siakam tied for 1st on Pacers. OG 2nd in NY....120 million those 3 made this year.

It's as people forget what a failure those 3 were as the main leaders of the team. It was time to move on. And now all 3 get to play with better players than themselves.

[One_and_Done]

How did he sabotage Toronto? The Raptors were running on fumes from deep playoff runs the team was clearly stuck at a crossroads and Masai kept trying to hold onto the idea of a Siakam/FVV/OG Anunoby and Barnes new wave team but Pascal, Barnes and OG were not a great fit neither one is a guard or center you had OG as a SF and two talented PFs in Barnes and Pascal who like Barnes needs the ball to be at his best.

Masai should have moved OG and Pascal a year earlier for better returns and commented to a full rebuild. Point is Barnes is far from crap which is what my original point was. If Milwaukee doesn't want him I am sure other teams would be willing to move pieces for him.

I just think Milwaukee isn't going to get Thurs record haul of top draft picks/high end prospects/cap relief that some expect. If San Antonio or Dallas give you their pick plus multiple others including swaps and say tyre Spurs add Castle to it and Sochan that's a pretty solid offer I can't see teams beating that and still having the team that Giannis would want to be a part of.

Well the Raptors let Siakam go because he 'didn't fit next to Barnes'. What would the Raptors have been like the last 3 years, if instead of worrying about who fit with Barnes they'd started Siakam, OG, FVV, Powell, and a solid 5. They'd likely have just had three 45-50 win seasons for the fans to enjoy. Scottie is better suited to being a 6th man until he learns to shoot. They wouldn't have had to pay him that ridiculous max contract either.

The Raptors will never win anything with Barnes as the best or even second best player. Treating him like a star just cripples the team.

As for the Spurs, if they move Castle, filler like Keldon/Branham/Wesley, and 5-6 future picks, they still have plenty around Giannis. They'd be starting Giannis/Wemby/Fox/Barnes/Vassell, then have a bench of Harper/Sochan/Champs. Looks like a title contender to me. Harper would start once he's ready.

The Raptors had FVV, Siakam and OG....and were 5th last in the league....led by Nurse. You can't pretend that didn't happen.

Oh, then they added Yak....and lost in the playin to a little girl yelling. Remember? Then Fred left, and a Siakam/OG led team failed again...and both were moved

Then all 3 got paid BIG MONEY. Fred 1st on Rockets. Siakam tied for 1st on Pacers. OG 2nd in NY....120 million those 3 made this year.

It's as people forget what a failure those 3 were as the main leaders of the team. It was time to move on. And now all 3 get to play with better players than themselves.

You can't be serious. They were '5th last in the league' with those guys in 2024... when they tanked like crazy, and those guys were missing for most/all of the season. Or do you mean 2021, when they were injured and also tanked? That team was 26-35 (despite the injuries, and the weirdness of not having home court that year), then very intentionally finished 1-10. Clearly a mulligan year, which the following season made clear when they won 48.

They could have built around those guys and let the Raptors fans enjoy three more 45-50+ win seasons, while trying to upgrade the roster around them. Instead they've thrown away 3 seasons and have almost nothing to show for it.

[Tripod]

Well the Raptors let Siakam go because he 'didn't fit next to Barnes'. What would the Raptors have been like the last 3 years, if instead of worrying about who fit with Barnes they'd started Siakam, OG, FVV, Powell, and a solid 5. They'd likely have just had three 45-50 win seasons for the fans to enjoy. Scottie is better suited to being a 6th man until he learns to shoot. They wouldn't have had to pay him that ridiculous max contract either.

The Raptors will never win anything with Barnes as the best or even second best player. Treating him like a star just cripples the team.

As for the Spurs, if they move Castle, filler like Keldon/Branham/Wesley, and 5-6 future picks, they still have plenty around Giannis. They'd be starting Giannis/Wemby/Fox/Barnes/Vassell, then have a bench of Harper/Sochan/Champs. Looks like a title contender to me. Harper would start once he's ready.

The Raptors had FVV, Siakam and OG....and were 5th last in the league....led by Nurse. You can't pretend that didn't happen.

Oh, then they added Yak....and lost in the playin to a little girl yelling. Remember? Then Fred left, and a Siakam/OG led team failed again...and both were moved

Then all 3 got paid BIG MONEY. Fred 1st on Rockets. Siakam tied for 1st on Pacers. OG 2nd in NY....120 million those 3 made this year.

It's as people forget what a failure those 3 were as the main leaders of the team. It was time to move on. And now all 3 get to play with better players than themselves.

You can't be serious. They were '5th last in the league' with those guys in 2024... when they tanked like crazy, and those guys were missing for most/all of the season. Or do you mean 2021, when they were injured and also tanked? That team was 26-35 (despite the injuries, and the weirdness of not having home court that year), then very intentionally finished 1-10. Clearly a mulligan year, which the following season made clear when they won 48.

They could have built around those guys and let the Raptors fans enjoy three more 45-50+ win seasons, while trying to upgrade the roster around them. Instead they've thrown away 3 seasons and have almost nothing to show for it.

Or maybe you are wrong on both years and I am talking 2022/23.

They were 5th worst team in the league when they traded for Yak. So AFTER that 48 win season, they crapped the bed. They made the playin then lost to Chicago and Demars screaming kid.

So why build around them right then after failing in the regular season and playing? Then Fred got 40 million...so no chance they would match or beat that. So your dream of building around those 3 is over.

Schroeder came in and Siakam/OG were still the leaders....and the team played bad AGAIN. And they were moved.

Your 3 years is just hilarious...Siakam and OG have only been gone less than 1.5 years. They were PART of the throw away seasons if you want to look at the last 3 years.

And sure there is something to show for it. They completely rebuilt their team and depth. You will see next year. Plus, this offseason hasn't even begun.

[One_and_Done]

The Raptors had FVV, Siakam and OG....and were 5th last in the league....led by Nurse. You can't pretend that didn't happen.

Oh, then they added Yak....and lost in the playin to a little girl yelling. Remember? Then Fred left, and a Siakam/OG led team failed again...and both were moved

Then all 3 got paid BIG MONEY. Fred 1st on Rockets. Siakam tied for 1st on Pacers. OG 2nd in NY....120 million those 3 made this year.

It's as people forget what a failure those 3 were as the main leaders of the team. It was time to move on. And now all 3 get to play with better players than themselves.

You can't be serious. They were '5th last in the league' with those guys in 2024... when they tanked like crazy, and those guys were missing for most/all of the season. Or do you mean 2021, when they were injured and also tanked? That team was 26-35 (despite the injuries, and the weirdness of not having home court that year), then very intentionally finished 1-10. Clearly a mulligan year, which the following season made clear when they won 48.

They could have built around those guys and let the Raptors fans enjoy three more 45-50+ win seasons, while trying to upgrade the roster around them. Instead they've thrown away 3 seasons and have almost nothing to show for it.

Or maybe you are wrong on both years and I am talking 2022/23.

They were 5th worst team in the league when they traded for Yak. So AFTER that 48 win season, they crapped the bed. They made the playin then lost to Chicago and Demars screaming kid.

So why build around them right then after failing in the regular season and playing? Then Fred got 40 million...so no chance they would match or beat that. So your dream of building around those 3 is over.

Schroeder came in and Siakam/OG were still the leaders....and the team played bad AGAIN. And they were moved.

Your 3 years is just hilarious...Siakam and OG have only been gone less than 1.5 years. They were PART of the throw away seasons if you want to look at the last 3 years.

And sure there is something to show for it. They completely rebuilt their team and depth. You will see next year. Plus, this offseason hasn't even begun.

In 23 they won 41, and given the injuries it feels like the 45-50 wins I'm talking about is very attainable (Pascal, FVV, and OG played 67-71 games, Powell & Lowry were gone, and Yak was there for 26 games, not that Yak is that great). FVV didn't even get paid that much btw.

[zimpy27]

Bucks get Barnes, RJ, #9 (drafted), TOR26FRP, TOR28FRP, TOR30FRP, TOR32FRP

Raptors get Giannis


Raptors go all in with IQ, Dick, BI, Giannis, Poeltl, they'd bring back Boucher and have access to full MLE ($14m) and BAE ($5m) to go hunting on free agent market.

Bucks get a couple young starters, pick 9 and some nice future unprotected picks.
Similar to the Gobert trade except a much better pick drafted (9 vs 22) and actual decent players (Barnes+RJ) for Giannis vs filler for Gobert.

Raptors are trying to make a move.

I think Raps would do the OP trade. I'm wondering what other offers actually beat this?

[One_and_Done]

I mean, the Raptors can try whatever they like. There's no chance whatever Giannis is traded there for like half a dozen reasons, most of which have been discussed.

[165bows]

Bucks dont want Raptors crap, the picks are not worth much with Giannis on the team. This is going to be a hell no, Toronto doesn't have the assets so no use tinkering.

People wanted to flame my Jaylen Brown/Porzingis/Pritchard/2 unprotected picks thread and now we have a Barrett and picks thread everyone's fairly chill about. I mean at least have the courtesy to toss in Barnes lol

[DowJones]

I don’t get it for Giannis. The Raptors are a lesser version of the Bucks.

[Texas Chuck]

Bucks dont want Raptors crap, the picks are not worth much with Giannis on the team. This is going to be a hell no, Toronto doesn't have the assets so no use tinkering.

People wanted to flame my Jaylen Brown/Porzingis/Pritchard/2 unprotected picks thread and now we have a Barrett and picks thread everyone's fairly chill about. I mean at least have the courtesy to toss in Barnes lol

Barnes is literally the first thing offered here.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean, the Raptors can try whatever they like. There's no chance whatever Giannis is traded there for like half a dozen reasons, most of which have been discussed.

Odd you couldn't provide a single one of them. This is a bad habit you have. You go into every thread, take a dump on it, but provide nothing constructive. No reasoning, no ways to improve it.

Please try contributing to discussion.

[kenwood3333]

If Giannis asked for a trade, it will likely to a short list of teams and I suspect Raptors, along with Spurs, Rockets, OKC will be on the list. But these other teams can come up with a better offer than the Raptors can and Nico doesn't work for the Bucks. So the chances Giannis end up with the Raptors is close to zero.

[Texas Chuck]

If Giannis asked for a trade, it will likely to a short list of teams and I suspect Raptors, along with Spurs, Rockets, OKC will be on the list. But these other teams can come up with a better offer than the Raptors can and Nico doesn't work for the Bucks. So the chances Giannis end up with the Raptors is close to zero.

I disagree. Oh not that other teams can't make better offers. They absolutely can. But I believe that if Giannis comes to the Bucks and says trade him he is going to have a specific team in mind(not saying its the Raptpors, but it will be a team) and I think as long as that team puts together a real serious offer(Barnes + picks/swaps is serious enough even if not ideal) then I think the Bucks help Giannis gets where he wants.

I could be wrong and I know people are going to point out Dame to the Bucks and not the Heat so I'm freely conceding I could be very very wrong. But that's my read on it. That the Bucks will really try and work with him rather than just coldly taking the best offer without concern for what he wants.

[Tripod]

If Giannis asked for a trade, it will likely to a short list of teams and I suspect Raptors, along with Spurs, Rockets, OKC will be on the list. But these other teams can come up with a better offer than the Raptors can and Nico doesn't work for the Bucks. So the chances Giannis end up with the Raptors is close to zero.

I disagree. Oh not that other teams can't make better offers. They absolutely can. But I believe that if Giannis comes to the Bucks and says trade him he is going to have a specific team in mind(not saying its the Raptpors, but it will be a team) and I think as long as that team puts together a real serious offer(Barnes + picks/swaps is serious enough even if not ideal) then I think the Bucks help Giannis gets where he wants.

I could be wrong and I know people are going to point out Dame to the Bucks and not the Heat so I'm freely conceding I could be very very wrong. But that's my read on it. That the Bucks will really try and work with him rather than just coldly taking the best offer without concern for what he wants.

Let me know your thoughts on the trade idea between Bucks, NOP, and Raps

[One_and_Done]

I mean, the Raptors can try whatever they like. There's no chance whatever Giannis is traded there for like half a dozen reasons, most of which have been discussed.

Odd you couldn't provide a single one of them. This is a bad habit you have. You go into every thread, take a dump on it, but provide nothing constructive. No reasoning, no ways to improve it.

Please try contributing to discussion.

I mean, I provided several here
viewtopic.php?t=2460108&start=20#p118694770

But let me give the summary of reasons below.
1) Giannis probably doesn't want to leave the Bucks
2) If he does, he's going to be going to a contender, which the Raptors won't be if they could trade enough to get him. There'd be nothing left on the roster worth talking about after putting it into the trade.
3) other teams can offer better packages
4) Giannis, if he asks out, likely prefers to play for those other teams when factoring in location alone. Toronto is a nice city, but it's not a FA destination. It won't be able to compete with places like Brooklyn, and he already said his favourite place to go was Florida
5) The Raptors best young player, assuming they could keep him in the trade, is a horrible fit with Giannis

That's 5 pretty compelling reasons it's not happening. There is no way to fix the trade, because of the fundamental problem that Giannis is not motivated to leave his hometown team to play for another weak support cast. The teams are just not good trade partners.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean, the Raptors can try whatever they like. There's no chance whatever Giannis is traded there for like half a dozen reasons, most of which have been discussed.

Odd you couldn't provide a single one of them. This is a bad habit you have. You go into every thread, take a dump on it, but provide nothing constructive. No reasoning, no ways to improve it.

Please try contributing to discussion.

I mean, I provided several here
viewtopic.php?t=2460108&start=20#p118694770

But let me give the summary of reasons below.
1) Giannis probably doesn't want to leave the Bucks
2) If he does, he's going to be going to a contender, which the Raptors won't be if they could trade enough to get him. There'd be nothing left on the roster worth talking about after putting it into the trade.
3) other teams can offer better packages
4) Giannis, if he asks out, likely prefers to play for those other teams when factoring in location alone. Toronto is a nice city, but it's not a FA destination. It won't be able to compete with places like Brooklyn, and he already said his favourite place to go was Florida
5) The Raptors best young player, assuming they could keep him in the trade, is a horrible fit with Giannis

That's 5 pretty compelling reasons it's not happening. There is no way to fix the trade, because of the fundamental problem that Giannis is not motivated to leave his hometown team to play for another weak support cast. The teams are just not good trade partners.

Thanks. Just do this from the jump next time and we are cool.

[MoneyTalks41890]

A move like this makes a lot of sense for the Raptors to find a direction, but not sure the resulting team is super competitive.

[Godaddycurse]

A move like this makes a lot of sense for the Raptors to find a direction, but not sure the resulting team is super competitive.

Poeltl
Giannis
Ingram
RJ
Quickley

in the east its probably good enough to make noise

[ProcessDoctor]

If he wants to stay East, which I think is wise, this is a good deal. He gets his own franchise and has a history with the front office.

The only downside I see with Toronto is that he has no co-star, and Toronto has no avenue of acquiring one after the trade. Clunky fit with Ingram + Poeltl, but workable. In other words, it's superior to what he has in Milwaukee.

Quickley/Shead
Agbajia/Walker
Ingram/Dick
Giannis/Mogbo
Poeltl/(MLE?)

[165bows]

Bucks dont want Raptors crap, the picks are not worth much with Giannis on the team. This is going to be a hell no, Toronto doesn't have the assets so no use tinkering.

People wanted to flame my Jaylen Brown/Porzingis/Pritchard/2 unprotected picks thread and now we have a Barrett and picks thread everyone's fairly chill about. I mean at least have the courtesy to toss in Barnes lol

Barnes is literally the first thing offered here.

Sorry missed that! I know that happens to other people lol