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Still my guy (*):
Khaman showing mobility and skill at the combine
https://youtube.com/shorts/LGqXo878n1I?si=iqYQVxUk_zW9vuGV
Khaman hitting 14 consecutive 3's in his pro day workout
https://youtube.com/shorts/ShRbfZE-KEk?si=pRIqHd5UmvTmdxlh
Interesting, on the interwebs many Nets fans think he is going to them.
(*) Ha! He may be Bub's guy too. He 'liked' this Instagram vid of Khaman sinking shots:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ220mGxvBL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Look at the paws on this beast. Even as big as he is his hands look big on him.
Really a genuine and personable guy. You have to like the kid.
Khaman showing mobility and skill at the combine
https://youtube.com/shorts/LGqXo878n1I?si=iqYQVxUk_zW9vuGV
Khaman hitting 14 consecutive 3's in his pro day workout
https://youtube.com/shorts/ShRbfZE-KEk?si=pRIqHd5UmvTmdxlh
Interesting, on the interwebs many Nets fans think he is going to them.
(*) Ha! He may be Bub's guy too. He 'liked' this Instagram vid of Khaman sinking shots:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ220mGxvBL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Look at the paws on this beast. Even as big as he is his hands look big on him.
Really a genuine and personable guy. You have to like the kid.
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doclinkin wrote:dckingsfan wrote:payitforward wrote:My preference, as I've made pretty clear, is to trade down & get Essengue plus an extra pick or two....
I would like Essengue as well. But... I think he goes no lower than 13 (some have him higher along with Fleming). So, trading down becomes risky (IMO)?![]()
I have been puzzling over a trade to make this happen for some time - got nothing that I think actually works
I think the trade is to Brooklyn at 8 + stuff for Fears at 6. If Ainge doesn't beat us to it with the #5 pick.
I don't see it. I see Brooklyn trading up with 19, 26 and 27 to try to take a combination of one or two of Essengue, Bryant, Clifford, etc.. and taking either Fears or Traore. But I could be very wrong.
Not quoting the rest of your post - pretty spot on, IMO in terms of the past history of this FO and what they probably will do.
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Could be right. Plus with all the Khaman to Nets chatter, I might rather stick and take him at 6.
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dckingsfan wrote:I don't see it. I see Brooklyn trading up with 19, 26 and 27 to try to take a combination of one or two of Essengue, Bryant, Clifford, etc.. and taking either Fears or Traore. But I could be very wrong.
Not quoting the rest of your post - pretty spot on, IMO in terms of the past history of this FO and what they probably will do.
We should do exactly that!
6&40 for 8&26.
18&26 for 12.
Get two of CMB, Richardson, Traore, Essengue. In that order. Dream draft is figuring out a way to get all 3 of CMB, Richardson, and Traore.
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closg00 wrote:gesa2 wrote:closg00 I’m innthe same place you are on this. Bub can play 2, AJ may be something special or he may top out as a 7th man or something, and Poole is not part of the future. The real tension is the “if” in your post. Our scout on Fears is where the rubber meets the road.
I like him because he starts with one elite skill - he can break down his man one on one. It’s hard to compare him against the French prospects so if our FO chooses Traore or Essengue I’ll trust their scouting.
Even if we don't draft fears, I think AJ should get the keys at PG, Bub has no burst, change-up speed, rim attack, penetrate and dish, or breaking his guy down, but he could become a pretty good guard, move Bub to 2.
Essengue is similar to Bilal, poor shooting wing with arms for days and some hops, he could turn into something...
Traore likes to attack and dishes well, he has potential, not sure about his ceiling, haven't seen enough. I believe the French prospects should be given extra scrutiny because of the difference in systems/competition, harder to read/evaluate IMO.
I don't think AJ is a potential 1.... I think Bub isn't the floor general either though I think he will develop a valuable game to have with our team..... I think even developing fully, AJ will be more of a combo G who has playmaking ability, but primarily a scorer, and Bub to me is going to be a very good 3rd G in the rotation.... Maybe starts at the 2, but more a secondary facilitator than a lead guard.... The bolded from your comments is why I like Fears..... I'm not oblivious to his warts, but he is the 2nd best player in this class behind only Harper with regards to this skill.... This skill happens to be very evident in these playoffs, and also that we don't have it presently on our roster.... This is why I've said I think we should take Fears at 6 and get Queen at 18 or trade up to get him or Sorber..... This would add to two positions with skills that our team doesn't have in both players... The ability to get to the rim and draw fouls..... I think Lendeborg kind of caught my attention, but with Queen needing so much physical development and still being considered a highly regarded prospect is promising but risky, but his handles and ability to get to the rim is also something I was pondering while watching Houston struggle with only having a C with the ball handling, but none of their long athletic wings and guards could consistently drive to the rim, the way I think Fears may be able to.... You add skills lacking in Bub, but his deficiencies are Bub's strengths.... I think they can help each other much more than harm each others development....... I just felt after watching so much Fears, when I got to watching Traore, I could see noticeable differences in abilities that favored Fears..... I didn't even know who Fears was like 2-3months ago, so it's not like I have a bias for younging, but after watching so much film of him on and off the court I'm like yeah this the dude we need to get since we aren't picking higher, which may end up a blessing in disguise......
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doclinkin wrote:dckingsfan wrote:payitforward wrote:My preference, as I've made pretty clear, is to trade down & get Essengue plus an extra pick or two....
I would like Essengue as well. But... I think he goes no lower than 13 (some have him higher along with Fleming). So, trading down becomes risky (IMO)?![]()
I have been puzzling over a trade to make this happen for some time - got nothing that I think actually works
I think the trade is to Brooklyn at 8 + stuff for Fears at 6. If Ainge doesn't beat us to it with the #5 pick.
It was bugging me for a while where I had seen it before, but the player that Fears reminds me of is Rod Strickland. Same control of pace, accel and decel, misdirection, fakey-slow quick to quicker, same below the rim game and ability to play in traffic. I buy his game feel, improved assists with better performers around him, I'll bet heavy on the futures of his jumpshot, improved outside range. He's not going to carry a 30+% usage rate in the NBA, at least not early. I like his confidence and work ethic. People keep saying he is skinny, he's not. Just young. He has a solidity about his game, seeking contact and playing off it, that reads to me as strength in waiting. Still growing but I think he grows into his frame, even adds lift to his jump and finishing ability. He'd be a star in the New York market.
AND it's probably not the best asset management to take another lead guard. I don't see great synergy between Fears and Bub. Not worried about Poole actually, I expect we will trade him, probably mid year if he is playing well and draws offers, but as an offensive mentor to Fears I can see his off court work ethic inspiring the kid to work on his shot range and off the dribble jumper game. We are still hunting a star ourselves. I just think the Wiz brain trust is more likely to stick to their formula: positional length, defense, athleticism, BBIQ, upside. Fears has all of that except positional length. Essengue has all of that. Maluach has all that in the hardest position to get superior length.
If we are not trading up for Bailey, I think we see who wants to jump in at 6. But if nothing materializes I would not be surprised if they took a guy other than Tre or Fears with that 6th pick. Essengue is their usual model, even if we already have that guy a few times on our roster. Carter Bryant has muscle/power in addition to the other qualities. Maluach has some duplication with Sarr but that's not a bad thing, takes wear and tear off him and lets him continue to develop in the stretch big role.
I still want Khaman and his 75% scoring from 2. Our passers need a finisher on the interior. Our weak front court needs an intimidator on defense. If his medicals stay green, I trust him to develop as a deterrent in the paint, banking on his size, smarts, and instinct for physicality. But he does have the achilles heel in a thing that no one can control. Politics and the madness of our foreign policy. So he may skid a few spots.
Which is fine with me. Given that there are 2-4 guys I see as a fit for the front office's mindset, why not slip back a bit and trust they can catch the guy they want. Land additional assets for the other guys they want. It was maddening to me that I couldn't quite decide on a guy at 6, or guess who they would pick. Especially as the young Euro talent rises. But now I see it as a strength. The growing certainty we will get someone good. If the overseas talent displaces a guy at the top, it forces lower players like Sorber (turf toe concerns), CMB (size and shooting), Queen (defense), Maluach (politics and box score stats).
This draft is still deep in an odd way. Young talent stayed in the first round, while the 2nd round is all seasoned and proven upperclassmen.
I won't be surprised with anybody they take at 6, I don't think. If they do pick there. I also have a feeling they will be active in the trade market, and try to jump up a few spots with every pick they have, 6 to 3, 18 into the lottery, 40 up into the 1st round.
I will say that even though I really like Fears, the potential of Maulach is very very intriguing (but visa issues are really concerning), and Essengue is interesting but doesn't have an elite skill besides being fast, which isn't a bad skill to be top notch at.... So this is what happens falling out of the top 3 it became more projection than a clearer view, so hopefully we choose wisely and correctly whichever direction that goes in....
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I forgot about Fleming (and I'm late on Essengue. Still don't know)WizarDynasty wrote:Hibachi_0 wrote:Essengue's last playoff game:
22pts 14rebs 1ast 8/16 FG 2/5 3pt 4/4 FT
Shooting form looks fine and he is averaging 95% FT% in the german playoffs (24/25FT) while averaging 15 & 8. He looks like a top10 lock to me
Yeah to me he easily top five. Rasheer Fleming is also top five. They should be tier 1B next to Flagg, Dylan Harper. FEARS, Bailey, Queen, AND Edgecome are tier below them.
Fleming, doclinkin's guy, is top-5.
He might be the best choice at 6. THIS GUY AT #6 = SAFE PICK
His perimeter skills are top-notch. He's a great defender.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/rasheer-fleming-1.html
Fleming is what Dick Vitale calls a "Stat Sheet Stuffer." His stocks are great. He rebounds well. He's apparently not a volume shooter, but he's an efficient scorer.
Rasheer Fleming is a 6'9" forward with a 7'4" wingspan, projecting as a versatile defender and a strong, efficient offensive threat. His strengths lie in his defensive versatility, ability to space the floor with his shooting, and high motor, which allows him to be a strong rebounder and transition player. He is projected to be a first-round pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
Strengths:
• Defensive Versatility: Fleming has the length and athleticism to guard positions 2-5, and he's a very active defender, particularly as a rim protector and a disruptor in passing lanes.
• Floor Spacing: He's a reliable spot-up shooter, particularly from three-point range, and can be a threat in the pick-and-roll as a roll man.
• High Motor and Rebounding: He's a strong rebounder, especially on the offensive glass, and plays with a high energy and hustle.
• Efficient Finisher: He's a strong finisher around the rim, particularly in transition and on second-chance opportunities.
• Tools for a Modern 3&D/Stretch Forward: He possesses the length, athleticism, and shooting ability to be a modern NBA forward. [1, 2, 5]
Areas for Improvement:
• On-Ball Creation: While he can handle the ball, his ball-handling skills and on-ball creation are areas for development. [1, 2]
• Decision-Making: He can struggle with decision-making, particularly when closing out on defenders, and sometimes overcommits or loses control. [2]
• Free Throw Shooting: His free throw shooting percentage is a concern. [8]
Overall: Fleming is a promising prospect with a rare blend of defensive tools and offensive upside. His ability to space the floor as a shooter and finisher, combined with his defensive versatility and rebounding, makes him a valuable player in the modern NBA. His potential as a 3&D forward is high, and he has the tools to contribute significantly at the next level. [1, 2, 5, 8]
AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] https://www.babcockhoops.com/post/2025-nba-draft-rasheer-fleming-scouting-report[2] https://hoopshype.com/lists/rasheer-fleming-nba-draft-scouting-report/[3] [4] https://www.fansonlysportz.com/post/the-best-forwards-available-in-the-upcoming-draft[5] https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rasheer-fleming/[6] https://hoopshype.com/lists/rasheer-fleming-with-the-spacing-in-the-nba-theres-so-much-more-i-can-do/[7] https://www.tankathon.com/players/rasheer-fleming[8] https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-saint-josephs-rasheer-fleming
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/2025-nba-draft-scouting-report-rasheer-fleming-f-saint-josephs-161217822.html
Concerns
Shot creation: He lacks any semblance of a midrange game, whether it’s pull-ups, floaters, or post-ups. His handle is loose, especially with his left hand. And he’s not much of a passer off the dribble either. As a junior he shot only 36.8% on drives to the basket, a porous number considering his mid-major competition.
Touch: How real is his 3-point shooting really? He struggles when more heavily contested, which showed up in the A-10 conference tournament when he missed 11 of his 14 attempts. He also doesn’t have great touch near the rim, and made only 67.8% of free throws
Based on all this information, trading back for Fleming is a better option than drafting Fears 6th.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
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dckingsfan wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I think team chemistry will be compromised if a young PG is added. None of these guys are on a tier that projects them to be superstars.dckingsfan wrote:Fears is young. Fears' FT% could translate well into 3PT%. Fears is still growing. Fears didn't have the teammates (for a high assist ratio).
You are betting on the long-term upside as you are with most of the players after 4 in this year's draft.
Now, is he a better prospect than Nolan Traore? Smh... shmaybe. Dylan Harper is the only guy I give a free pass.
I rate Traore, Richardson (if he can transition to PG) and Fears in the same group. Do I pick any of the 3 at 6? Hmmm... probably because next year's draft doesn't seem to be loaded with PGs.
I run away from Demin (but that is just me).
I also think one of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant or Nique Clifford will be really good. I wouldn't mind trading down or up to try to get two of them.
This is a really hard draft in this way - I give the FO a pass on this one - although they have been pretty darn good at drafting.
Adding any one of Richardson, Traore, or Fears will SURELY set back Bub Carrington and A.J. Johnson.
The elephant in the room: What about Jordan Poole?
He's accustomed to starting minutes. He's a young, talented NBA player whose trade value the Wizards need to maintain high.
Personally, I think drafting a PG after moving up the last draft to draft a PG is STUPID. I could say I don't believe drafting perceived BPA applies in a vacuum without considering that the team needs other players at other positions who are on the same tier.
Fears probably should not be the pick. If he becomes a superstar or multiple all-star, I'm wrong.
Derik Queen makes more sense than Fears
Cameron Murray-Broyles makes sense than Fears.
Healthy Thomas Sorber makes more sense than Fears
ERIC DIXON makes more sense than Fears.
Will Riley makes more sense than Fears. He violates my redundancy Fears/Knueppel argument because I think Riley could become an SGA-lite.
Just a few off the top. THE TEAM NEEDS SCORING EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS inside, BIG TO BIG PASSING, and INTERIOR DEFENSE.
I think Dixon is one of the most underrated players in this draft.
There are players like Ryan Kalkbrenner who can help the Wizards. He's worth a late first, just like Dixon and Kam Jones (he's more of a bucket getter than anyone on the roster, but he would have to ride pine behind Poole.)
As you probably read... I am also not for drafting a PG, I am just giving a rational as to why a FO may pick one of the three PGs. Also, if AJ and Bub can't be out the rookie PG - well then. And I don't give a darn about Poole, I would very much hope he isn't the future of this team (opinion).
My picks would be one of or multiple of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant or Nique Clifford. Having said that - this is a really hard year to pick, so I give the FO wide latitude. Especially since they have been pretty good at drafting thus far... If they grab Sorber or another big - all good with that - the draft was pretty darn deep in bigs until the recent opt outs.
I didn't read closely enough. I just react to seeing the name. We agree then on not drafting a PG.
I didn't get NBA League Pass or NBA TV last season, so I watched very little of Kyshawn George and Bilal Coulibaly. Acquiring two of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, and Nique Clifford sounds to me like you're ready to displace or get rid of the incumbents George and Coulibaly.
The Front Office certainly does have tough decisions to make.
Personally, I think it's pretty simple. What's missing? A big, nasty on the inside. A volume scoring interior big. A defensive rim protector.
I'd get as of today, Fleming, Queen/Sorber, and Eric Dixon.
I like Clifford, Kalkbrenner, Kam Jones, and horrible free throw shooter Johni Broome a ton, too.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
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TheBlackCzar wrote:closg00 wrote:gesa2 wrote:closg00 I’m innthe same place you are on this. Bub can play 2, AJ may be something special or he may top out as a 7th man or something, and Poole is not part of the future. The real tension is the “if” in your post. Our scout on Fears is where the rubber meets the road.
I like him because he starts with one elite skill - he can break down his man one on one. It’s hard to compare him against the French prospects so if our FO chooses Traore or Essengue I’ll trust their scouting.
Even if we don't draft fears, I think AJ should get the keys at PG, Bub has no burst, change-up speed, rim attack, penetrate and dish, or breaking his guy down, but he could become a pretty good guard, move Bub to 2.
Essengue is similar to Bilal, poor shooting wing with arms for days and some hops, he could turn into something...
Traore likes to attack and dishes well, he has potential, not sure about his ceiling, haven't seen enough. I believe the French prospects should be given extra scrutiny because of the difference in systems/competition, harder to read/evaluate IMO.
I don't think AJ is a potential 1.... I think Bub isn't the floor general either though I think he will develop a valuable game to have with our team..... I think even developing fully, AJ will be more of a combo G who has playmaking ability, but primarily a scorer, and Bub to me is going to be a very good 3rd G in the rotation.... Maybe starts at the 2, but more a secondary facilitator than a lead guard.... The bolded from your comments is why I like Fears..... I'm not oblivious to his warts, but he is the 2nd best player in this class behind only Harper with regards to this skill.... This skill happens to be very evident in these playoffs, and also that we don't have it presently on our roster.... This is why I've said I think we should take Fears at 6 and get Queen at 18 or trade up to get him or Sorber..... This would add to two positions with skills that our team doesn't have in both players... The ability to get to the rim and draw fouls..... I think Lendeborg kind of caught my attention, but with Queen needing so much physical development and still being considered a highly regarded prospect is promising but risky, but his handles and ability to get to the rim is also something I was pondering while watching Houston struggle with only having a C with the ball handling, but none of their long athletic wings and guards could consistently drive to the rim, the way I think Fears may be able to.... You add skills lacking in Bub, but his deficiencies are Bub's strengths.... I think they can help each other much more than harm each others development....... I just felt after watching so much Fears, when I got to watching Traore, I could see noticeable differences in abilities that favored Fears..... I didn't even know who Fears was like 2-3months ago, so it's not like I have a bias for younging, but after watching so much film of him on and off the court I'm like yeah this the dude we need to get since we aren't picking higher, which may end up a blessing in disguise......
This ^ is along the lines of what I have been thinking as-well, were it not for Maluach's Visa status, I would be torn between the two. I believe Fears has a legit shot at being one of the Top-5 players from this class in 4-5 years, Utah could end-up taking him, and you know Brooklyn wants him.
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I think team chemistry will be compromised if a young PG is added. None of these guys are on a tier that projects them to be superstars.
Adding any one of Richardson, Traore, or Fears will SURELY set back Bub Carrington and A.J. Johnson.
The elephant in the room: What about Jordan Poole?
He's accustomed to starting minutes. He's a young, talented NBA player whose trade value the Wizards need to maintain high.
Personally, I think drafting a PG after moving up the last draft to draft a PG is STUPID. I could say I don't believe drafting perceived BPA applies in a vacuum without considering that the team needs other players at other positions who are on the same tier.
Fears probably should not be the pick. If he becomes a superstar or multiple all-star, I'm wrong.
Derik Queen makes more sense than Fears
Cameron Murray-Broyles makes sense than Fears.
Healthy Thomas Sorber makes more sense than Fears
ERIC DIXON makes more sense than Fears.
Will Riley makes more sense than Fears. He violates my redundancy Fears/Knueppel argument because I think Riley could become an SGA-lite.
Just a few off the top. THE TEAM NEEDS SCORING EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS inside, BIG TO BIG PASSING, and INTERIOR DEFENSE.
I think Dixon is one of the most underrated players in this draft.
There are players like Ryan Kalkbrenner who can help the Wizards. He's worth a late first, just like Dixon and Kam Jones (he's more of a bucket getter than anyone on the roster, but he would have to ride pine behind Poole.)
As you probably read... I am also not for drafting a PG, I am just giving a rational as to why a FO may pick one of the three PGs. Also, if AJ and Bub can't be out the rookie PG - well then. And I don't give a darn about Poole, I would very much hope he isn't the future of this team (opinion).
My picks would be one of or multiple of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant or Nique Clifford. Having said that - this is a really hard year to pick, so I give the FO wide latitude. Especially since they have been pretty good at drafting thus far... If they grab Sorber or another big - all good with that - the draft was pretty darn deep in bigs until the recent opt outs.
I didn't read closely enough. I just react to seeing the name. We agree then on not drafting a PG.
I didn't get NBA League Pass or NBA TV last season, so I watched very little of Kyshawn George and Bilal Coulibaly. Acquiring two of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, and Nique Clifford sounds to me like you're ready to displace or get rid of the incumbents George and Coulibaly.
The Front Office certainly does have tough decisions to make.
Personally, I think it's pretty simple. What's missing? A big, nasty on the inside. A volume scoring interior big. A defensive rim protector.
I'd get as of today, Fleming, Queen/Sorber, and Eric Dixon.
I like Clifford, Kalkbrenner, Kam Jones, and horrible free throw shooter Johni Broome a ton, too.
My thinking is not to replace anyone but to give us a shot at what I think are the players with the highest ceiling in this draft (that we could take). I could also see the FO taking a big, a guard and a wing. I could see them trying to trade up for their guy. I could see them trading back and trying to grab two of the three I suggested.
I think other teams are going to be thinking the same.
Gonna be interesting.
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TheBlackCzar wrote:closg00 wrote:gesa2 wrote:closg00 I’m innthe same place you are on this. Bub can play 2, AJ may be something special or he may top out as a 7th man or something, and Poole is not part of the future. The real tension is the “if” in your post. Our scout on Fears is where the rubber meets the road.
I like him because he starts with one elite skill - he can break down his man one on one. It’s hard to compare him against the French prospects so if our FO chooses Traore or Essengue I’ll trust their scouting.
Even if we don't draft fears, I think AJ should get the keys at PG, Bub has no burst, change-up speed, rim attack, penetrate and dish, or breaking his guy down, but he could become a pretty good guard, move Bub to 2.
Essengue is similar to Bilal, poor shooting wing with arms for days and some hops, he could turn into something...
Traore likes to attack and dishes well, he has potential, not sure about his ceiling, haven't seen enough. I believe the French prospects should be given extra scrutiny because of the difference in systems/competition, harder to read/evaluate IMO.
I don't think AJ is a potential 1.... I think Bub isn't the floor general either though I think he will develop a valuable game to have with our team..... I think even developing fully, AJ will be more of a combo G who has playmaking ability, but primarily a scorer, and Bub to me is going to be a very good 3rd G in the rotation.... Maybe starts at the 2, but more a secondary facilitator than a lead guard.... The bolded from your comments is why I like Fears..... I'm not oblivious to his warts, but he is the 2nd best player in this class behind only Harper with regards to this skill.... This skill happens to be very evident in these playoffs, and also that we don't have it presently on our roster.... This is why I've said I think we should take Fears at 6 and get Queen at 18 or trade up to get him or Sorber..... This would add to two positions with skills that our team doesn't have in both players... The ability to get to the rim and draw fouls..... I think Lendeborg kind of caught my attention, but with Queen needing so much physical development and still being considered a highly regarded prospect is promising but risky, but his handles and ability to get to the rim is also something I was pondering while watching Houston struggle with only having a C with the ball handling, but none of their long athletic wings and guards could consistently drive to the rim, the way I think Fears may be able to.... You add skills lacking in Bub, but his deficiencies are Bub's strengths.... I think they can help each other much more than harm each others development....... I just felt after watching so much Fears, when I got to watching Traore, I could see noticeable differences in abilities that favored Fears..... I didn't even know who Fears was like 2-3months ago, so it's not like I have a bias for younging, but after watching so much film of him on and off the court I'm like yeah this the dude we need to get since we aren't picking higher, which may end up a blessing in disguise......
Why do you use "....." instead of paragraphs? It's hard to read. My eyes glazed over halfway through.
On the subject of Bub versus AJ, I don't really know who has more upside as either a PG or SG of the future. It's too early to tell. All I really want is for both AJ and Bub to get plenty of reps at both guard roles and see how things shake out. I'll be much more excited about AJ if he comes back with significantly more strength while still being as athletic.
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doclinkin wrote:Still my guy (*):
His shooting form is very impressive for a big. Very good rotation and backspin on the release. And I was encouraged by his footwork demonstrated in those videos. I was worried that he was nothing more than a roll man on offense, but it really looks like he is capable of much more than what he showed at Duke. Then factor his age and lack of experience, and he has so much improvement ahead of him.
I'm very comfortable with Maluach at #6, and I'm starting to actually be a little excited. I wonder if he might be a better pick than Tre Johnson even if Johnson slides.
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doclinkin wrote:Still my guy (*):
Khaman showing mobility and skill at the combine
https://youtube.com/shorts/LGqXo878n1I?si=iqYQVxUk_zW9vuGV
Khaman hitting 14 consecutive 3's in his pro day workout
https://youtube.com/shorts/ShRbfZE-KEk?si=pRIqHd5UmvTmdxlh
Interesting, on the interwebs many Nets fans think he is going to them.
(*) Ha! He may be Bub's guy too. He 'liked' this Instagram vid of Khaman sinking shots:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ220mGxvBL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Look at the paws on this beast. Even as big as he is his hands look big on him.
Really a genuine and personable guy. You have to like the kid.
Had a 4.0 GPA at Duke which is not easy. With Flagg, Proctor, Maluach and Knueppel, all that talent,length and smarts, it's amazing they didn't even make the final game. I think if you're trying to tank again next season to make sure the Knicks don't get your first pick, you take Malauach. He's going to be very raw and have some difficulties with the speed and power of the game in his first season. But he'll learn. If Johnson is gone, I'm taking him or trading down to take him (if he's there). I haven't seen enough of Essengue to have an opinion, but he sounds a little like Vesely.
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I’d be interested if Johnson is gone. AND if his visa issues are taken care of beforehand. You don’t draft a guy 6th just hoping Trump does the right thing.
Although that would be the most #soWizards outcome. Draft him and he gets sent to Guantanamo
Although that would be the most #soWizards outcome. Draft him and he gets sent to Guantanamo
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80sballboy wrote:doclinkin wrote:Still my guy (*):
Khaman showing mobility and skill at the combine
https://youtube.com/shorts/LGqXo878n1I?si=iqYQVxUk_zW9vuGV
Khaman hitting 14 consecutive 3's in his pro day workout
https://youtube.com/shorts/ShRbfZE-KEk?si=pRIqHd5UmvTmdxlh
Interesting, on the interwebs many Nets fans think he is going to them.
(*) Ha! He may be Bub's guy too. He 'liked' this Instagram vid of Khaman sinking shots:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ220mGxvBL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Look at the paws on this beast. Even as big as he is his hands look big on him.
Really a genuine and personable guy. You have to like the kid.
Had a 4.0 GPA at Duke which is not easy. With Flagg, Proctor, Maluach and Knueppel, all that talent,length and smarts, it's amazing they didn't even make the final game. I think if you're trying to tank again next season to make sure the Knicks don't get your first pick, you take Malauach. He's going to be very raw and have some difficulties with the speed and power of the game in his first season. But he'll learn. If Johnson is gone, I'm taking him or trading down to take him (if he's there). I haven't seen enough of Essengue to have an opinion, but he sounds a little like Vesely.
Yeah Khaman still has pretty bad hands, there is no way I would draft him over Rasheer Fleming.
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WizarDynasty wrote:80sballboy wrote:doclinkin wrote:Still my guy (*):
Khaman showing mobility and skill at the combine
https://youtube.com/shorts/LGqXo878n1I?si=iqYQVxUk_zW9vuGV
Khaman hitting 14 consecutive 3's in his pro day workout
https://youtube.com/shorts/ShRbfZE-KEk?si=pRIqHd5UmvTmdxlh
Interesting, on the interwebs many Nets fans think he is going to them.
(*) Ha! He may be Bub's guy too. He 'liked' this Instagram vid of Khaman sinking shots:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ220mGxvBL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Look at the paws on this beast. Even as big as he is his hands look big on him.
Really a genuine and personable guy. You have to like the kid.
Had a 4.0 GPA at Duke which is not easy. With Flagg, Proctor, Maluach and Knueppel, all that talent,length and smarts, it's amazing they didn't even make the final game. I think if you're trying to tank again next season to make sure the Knicks don't get your first pick, you take Malauach. He's going to be very raw and have some difficulties with the speed and power of the game in his first season. But he'll learn. If Johnson is gone, I'm taking him or trading down to take him (if he's there). I haven't seen enough of Essengue to have an opinion, but he sounds a little like Vesely.
Yeah Khaman still has pretty bad hands, there is no way I would draft him over Rasheer Fleming.
...also worrisome about Maluach is that he is a pretty bad rebounder, that could be a deal-breaker...and I like his other attributes
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I’m starting to think doc has a gargantuan fetish. Didn’t he love Edey last year too. Probably has every Godzilla movie ever made on 4K.
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closg00 wrote:WizarDynasty wrote:80sballboy wrote:
Had a 4.0 GPA at Duke which is not easy. With Flagg, Proctor, Maluach and Knueppel, all that talent,length and smarts, it's amazing they didn't even make the final game. I think if you're trying to tank again next season to make sure the Knicks don't get your first pick, you take Malauach. He's going to be very raw and have some difficulties with the speed and power of the game in his first season. But he'll learn. If Johnson is gone, I'm taking him or trading down to take him (if he's there). I haven't seen enough of Essengue to have an opinion, but he sounds a little like Vesely.
Yeah Khaman still has pretty bad hands, there is no way I would draft him over Rasheer Fleming.
...also worrisome about Maluach is that he is a pretty bad rebounder, that could be a deal-breaker...and I like his other attributes
He is an elite offensive rebounder though. I think much of his poor defensive rebounding can be attributed to Duke's defensive system, which incorporates Maluach switching out to the perimeter and taking him away from the paint for defensive boards.
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closg00 wrote:WizarDynasty wrote:80sballboy wrote:
Had a 4.0 GPA at Duke which is not easy. With Flagg, Proctor, Maluach and Knueppel, all that talent,length and smarts, it's amazing they didn't even make the final game. I think if you're trying to tank again next season to make sure the Knicks don't get your first pick, you take Malauach. He's going to be very raw and have some difficulties with the speed and power of the game in his first season. But he'll learn. If Johnson is gone, I'm taking him or trading down to take him (if he's there). I haven't seen enough of Essengue to have an opinion, but he sounds a little like Vesely.
Yeah Khaman still has pretty bad hands, there is no way I would draft him over Rasheer Fleming.
...also worrisome about Maluach is that he is a pretty bad rebounder, that could be a deal-breaker...and I like his other attributes
He's 18. He's not going to be perfect. With that size, reach, smarts and potential on offense, I'm taking him if Tre' isn't there or trading down to get him. There are many flawed players after Flagg and Harper. I think 6.6 rebounds in 21.3 minutes per game isn't horrible when you also have Flagg (7.5rpg), Kneueppel (4rpg) and Sion James (4.2rpg), who are both built like linebackers.
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Part of all this is luck. Do we luck into the #1 or #2 picks next year? Who will be the player we select? You would hate to draft Maluach if Chris Cenac ended up being the BPA (I HOPE THAT ISN'T THE CASE). But you see where I am going with this.
Early days but if you hope that it is going to be one of Dybantsa, Peterson, Boozer or Ament then taking Maluach is fine (if you aren't worried about him being deported).
Early days but if you hope that it is going to be one of Dybantsa, Peterson, Boozer or Ament then taking Maluach is fine (if you aren't worried about him being deported).






