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Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#1 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:00 pm

If you are Milwaukee, would you rather have #2 (Dylan Harper) or #7 and both of your swaps returned via Pelicans?

Milwaukee sends: Giannis
Milwaukee receives: #7, 2026 swap rights (Milwaukee), 2027 Milwaukee first, #14, 2026 Hawks swap, 2027 Hawks first, Vassell and Keldon

Spurs send: #2, 2025 Hawks first, 2026 Hawks swap, 2027 Hawks first, Vassell and Keldon
Spurs receive: Giannis

Pelicans send: #7, 2026 swap rights (Milwaukee) and 2027 Milwaukee first
Pelicans receive: #2
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#2 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:02 pm

6 firsts. 2 in the lottery this year. 2 tied to Hawks. 2 of their own firsts when they will be tanking. Plus Vassell and Keldon.

The fact that none of the firsts are coming from the team they trade Giannis to seems pretty ideal in this spot.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#3 » by facothomas22 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:06 pm

I think the those Hawks picks should be going towards the Pelicans with the 2nd pick(Dylan Harper) being sent to the Bucks. Maybe the Spurs should add more draft compensation in order to both help the Bucks get their own picks back from the Pelicans,while also giving the Bucks more picks. The asset quality as is simply isn't good enough in a Giannis trade.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#4 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:07 pm

This isn't enough imo, but I'm not interested in getting my picks back nearly as much as this board is obsessed with. I would take Harper. But I would also expect the Spurs to pay more.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#5 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:11 pm

Spurs would need to empty the cabinet.


Vassell, Keldon, #2, #14, 3 future FRP
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#6 » by Bornstellar » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:12 pm

I think is good for SA and NO in theory but I don't see MIL entertaining this deal as it feels a little light for them
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#7 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:12 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:This isn't enough imo, but I'm not interested in getting my picks back nearly as much as this board is obsessed with. I would take Harper. But I would also expect the Spurs to pay more.


Those Bucks picks could both be top 8 post Giannis. Heck either one of them could be #1 overall- that actually lets Bucks control their own destiny for next 2 years at least.
I get Harper is the sure thing, but #7 is pretty good player in this draft too.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#8 » by HornetJail » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:14 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Spurs would need to empty the cabinet.


Vassell, Keldon, #2, #14, 2 future FRP

The cabinets would still be pretty stocked after this, the Spurs should do this in a heartbeat.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#9 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:15 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:This isn't enough imo, but I'm not interested in getting my picks back nearly as much as this board is obsessed with. I would take Harper. But I would also expect the Spurs to pay more.


Those Bucks picks could both be top 8 post Giannis. Heck either one of them could be #1 overall- that actually lets Bucks control their own destiny for next 2 years at least.
I get Harper is the sure thing, but #7 is pretty good player in this draft too.


Yes I understand the variance of future picks. It's literally one of my soapboxes. But here they aren't risking variance. They have the option to definitely get a high pick where there is a very highly thought of prospect available. Their future variance play would come from the other picks the Spurs needed to add to this.

But when you win big in the lottery you do not say, instead of my prize, just give me that much money in more lottery tickets. :D
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#10 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:15 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Spurs would need to empty the cabinet.


Vassell, Keldon, #2, #14, 2 future FRP


Umm...all you are doing is adding 1 future first to the OP
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#11 » by Chinook » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:19 pm

This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#12 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:20 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:This isn't enough imo, but I'm not interested in getting my picks back nearly as much as this board is obsessed with. I would take Harper. But I would also expect the Spurs to pay more.


Those Bucks picks could both be top 8 post Giannis. Heck either one of them could be #1 overall- that actually lets Bucks control their own destiny for next 2 years at least.
I get Harper is the sure thing, but #7 is pretty good player in this draft too.


Yes I understand the variance of future picks. It's literally one of my soapboxes. But here they aren't risking variance. They have the option to definitely get a high pick where there is a very highly thought of prospect available. Their future variance play would come from the other picks the Spurs needed to add to this.

But when you win big in the lottery you do not say, instead of my prize, just give me that much money in more lottery tickets. :D


Yeah I would agree if the Bucks had other stuff to build with moving forward, but Harper alone isn't doing much for the Bucks if they have no other future picks to build around him. They need a mix of high upside and volume.

Would it really shock you if all 6 picks they landed in this deal were lottery picks? I would say that would be an awesome return for Giannis.
7 and 14, yes.
Both Bucks picks, likely yes post Giannis.
Two Hawks picks, maybe/maybe not but feels like a chance.

Not all picks are the same, the picks Utah got for Gobert and Mitchell seemed like a haul at the time but none of those picks are turning into lottery picks which is why Utah is still one of the worst teams in the league.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#13 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:24 pm

Chinook wrote:This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.


The Spurs would still own their own first in 2027. The deal would likely be done on draft night or right after which would allow this to be legal.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#14 » by Chinook » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:51 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Chinook wrote:This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.


The Spurs would still own their own first in 2027. The deal would likely be done on draft night or right after which would allow this to be legal.


The Spurs sent their 2027 pick to Sacramento in the Fox trade.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#15 » by JonHeist » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:54 pm

would way rather have harper fwiw

add #2 to everything else and that might be enough *if* he *publically* demands a trade

0% chance of that happening pre-draft tho so moot point
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#16 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:55 pm

Chinook wrote:This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.


The Spurs can trade a swap.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#17 » by Chinook » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:59 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Chinook wrote:This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.


The Spurs can trade a swap.


No, they can't. They can swap the better of the SAS/ATL picks with another pick, but they can't trade the right to swap picks with Atlanta to another team.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#18 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:02 pm

Chinook wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Chinook wrote:This isn't legal, as the Spurs can't trade a swap, and they can't trade the 26 pick if they're trading the 27 pick.


The Spurs can trade a swap.


No, they can't. They can swap the better of the SAS/ATL picks with another pick, but they can't trade the right to swap picks with Atlanta to another team.


Right, but they can trade the rights to swap the better of SAS/ATL to a team for their 1st. I thought that was fairly obvious what was happening in the OP.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#19 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:02 pm

Pelicans are a lottery team next year, I'd roll the dice w/o getting the swap next year, I would however demand the Hawks send the 27 1st they got from the Pelicans for their swap in 26.
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Re: Milwaukee/San Antonio/New Orleans 

Post#20 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:03 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Pelicans are a lottery team next year, I'd roll the dice w/o getting the swap next year, I would however demand the Hawks send the 27 1st they got from the Pelicans for their swap in 26.


Atlanta isn't trading a real 1st in 2027 for a swap in 2026.

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