Raptors: Masai’s hunt for another championship!?

[Knicks365247]

I think IQ would have an uptick in performance and efficiency playing alongside Giannis.
IQ had some very good games for the Knicks 2 seasons ago. He's certainly got some potential.

Ingram as a clear #2 option with Giannis' massive gravity should do pretty well I'd say also.

[zimpy27]

Plus add 3 1sts.

Raps could also facilitate a larger trade with NOP, where Milwaukee gets their pick back. Thinking along the lines of taking on Dejounte (out with achilles maybe all of next year) for Quickley. That Milwaukee pick will be good, but why rely on a lottery when you can guaranteed cash out of Dejounte. Maybe Alvarado goes to TOR, as they need a PG. it needs to be balanced out, but this is the base of a framework to get Milwaukee their pick back.

It's too messy for Bucks to get their picks back.

RJ+Barnes plus capspace and Portis/BroLo will get the bucks play in level in the East

The deal I saw I thought was intriguing was

Raps - Giannis
Bucks - Zion and their swaps
Pels - Barnes

That's a nice wrinkle tbh. I like it.

[Knicks365247]

If (and it's a BIG if) the Bucks want to gamble on Zion, I think that deal has real legs to get "done".

[GiannisAnte34]

Raptors could absolutely get Giannis.

Barnes+RJ for Giannis is a competitive player base to add picks too

Raps would still have IQ, Dick, BI, Poeltl around Giannis

Two guys who aren’t even proven All Stars or blue chip prospects for Giannis? You’re joking or totally disconnected from reality

[TheAlchemist]

Bovada official got the Raptors betting odds on:

Sabonis +500
Giannis +600
Zach Lavine +600 (barf)
Demar Derozan +800 (barf)
Jrue Holiday +900
jamaal Murray +1000
Lauri Markanen +1400
Kevin Durant +1800

Outside of Sabonis the King names are gross. Jrue is way too old, so I don't know what they're planning on doing in terms of what they trade out. Jamaal Murray would be really good but I don't think Denver is trading him.

[GiannisAnte34]

Raptors could absolutely get Giannis.

Barnes+RJ for Giannis is a competitive player base to add picks too

Raps would still have IQ, Dick, BI, Poeltl around Giannis

Money does not work. I fooled around with the trade machine and could not get any deal to pass. It might need to be a three team trade.

Picks on top of this but this is probably a framework of it.

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

[GiannisAnte34]

I can't quite figure out the Giannis Raps thing, how is that a better situation than the Bucks after they trade what assets they have?

Why not? Given Lillard is out with an achilles injury, what does that leave the Buckets?

Kuzma? Portis? and aging Brook Lopez?

If the Raps have the best package (which they probably don't).

that likely leaves,

IQ / Ingram / Poeltl with some of subset of Barnes, RJ, Ochai, Dick, Walter, Shead, Battle, Lawson Mogbo, #39.

I think for sure it's a better situation. Is it contending? Meh... probably not.

The Raps are somehow getting Giannis for a collection of non All-Stars and prospects that aren’t conveying as #1 options? Alright then

[WuTang_CMB]

Money does not work. I fooled around with the trade machine and could not get any deal to pass. It might need to be a three team trade.

Picks on top of this but this is probably a framework of it.

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

If he wants toronto what other package would you do? Lol

[GiannisAnte34]

If (and it's a BIG if) the Bucks want to gamble on Zion, I think that deal has real legs to get "done".

Zion accused for a rape charge, doesn’t like basketball, and can’t stay in shape

Who is saying sign me up? Like what world do you guys live in

[GiannisAnte34]

Picks on top of this but this is probably a framework of it.

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

If he wants toronto what other package would you do? Lol

Toronto has a big pile of mid assets. So this is all hopes and dreams that 2-3 mid players somehow convinces the Bucks to agree

I think even if Giannis said “I’ll only agree to a trade TO Toronto!” The Bucks would just hold him as long as possible if the deal is that poor

[zimpy27]

Raptors could absolutely get Giannis.

Barnes+RJ for Giannis is a competitive player base to add picks too

Raps would still have IQ, Dick, BI, Poeltl around Giannis

Two guys who aren’t even proven All Stars or blue chip prospects for Giannis? You’re joking or totally disconnected from reality

Barnes was an all star last season...

You're also getting pick #9 and 3 future FRPs


Let's look at what Davis got:
BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4, 2 FRP


Barnes, RJ, #9 = BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4
So Giannis getting an extra FRP than the Davis deal.
And Bucks get to send Giannis to a place he wants to go. A big city, big Greek population, east coast, Masai GM.

[WuTang_CMB]

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

If he wants toronto what other package would you do? Lol

Toronto has a big pile of mid assets. So this is all hopes and dreams that 2-3 mid players somehow convinces the Bucks to agree

I think even if Giannis said “I’ll only agree to a trade TO Toronto!” The Bucks would just hold him as long as possible if the deal is that poor

Scottie Barnes would arguably the best asset available if Giannis wanted to stay in the east

[GiannisAnte34]

Raptors could absolutely get Giannis.

Barnes+RJ for Giannis is a competitive player base to add picks too

Raps would still have IQ, Dick, BI, Poeltl around Giannis

Two guys who aren’t even proven All Stars or blue chip prospects for Giannis? You’re joking or totally disconnected from reality

Barnes was an all star last season...

You're also getting pick #9 and 3 future FRPs


Let's look at what Davis got:
BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4, 2 FRP


Barnes, RJ, #9 = BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4
So Giannis getting an extra FRP than the Davis deal.
And Bucks get to send Giannis to a place he wants to go. A big city, big Greek population, east coast, Masai GM.

Brother he was an injury replacement all star. Aka he wouldn’t be picked normally. If he’s such a good player the Raps can build around him instead of Giannis?

Your package is a bunch of junk. #9 is a huge difference to #4 in most drafts

[Duffman100]

I can't quite figure out the Giannis Raps thing, how is that a better situation than the Bucks after they trade what assets they have?

Why not? Given Lillard is out with an achilles injury, what does that leave the Buckets?

Kuzma? Portis? and aging Brook Lopez?

If the Raps have the best package (which they probably don't).

that likely leaves,

IQ / Ingram / Poeltl with some of subset of Barnes, RJ, Ochai, Dick, Walter, Shead, Battle, Lawson Mogbo, #39.

I think for sure it's a better situation. Is it contending? Meh... probably not.

The Raps are somehow getting Giannis for a collection of non All-Stars and prospects that aren’t conveying as #1 options? Alright then

The question wasn't "Are the Raptors getting him for what they have to offer". But "Would the Bucks be better post a trade given what Toronto has to offer".

If Toronto's best is say Barnes, RJ, Dick and a ton of picks. The remaining roster is better than what the Bucks have without Lillard.

[Duffman100]

Money does not work. I fooled around with the trade machine and could not get any deal to pass. It might need to be a three team trade.

Picks on top of this but this is probably a framework of it.

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

At a certain point though, if Giannis demands out and to a specific location - get ready to get reduced value.

I'm not saying Toronto is going ot get him, but history is not kind to that situation.

[WuTang_CMB]

Picks on top of this but this is probably a framework of it.

Wow you’re smoking some strong stuff

At a certain point though, if Giannis demands out and to a specific location - get ready to get reduced value.

I'm not saying Toronto is going ot get him, but history is not kind to that situation.

Fk it im pulling barnes from the offer

[zimpy27]

Two guys who aren’t even proven All Stars or blue chip prospects for Giannis? You’re joking or totally disconnected from reality

Barnes was an all star last season...

You're also getting pick #9 and 3 future FRPs


Let's look at what Davis got:
BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4, 2 FRP


Barnes, RJ, #9 = BI, Lonzo, Hart, #4
So Giannis getting an extra FRP than the Davis deal.
And Bucks get to send Giannis to a place he wants to go. A big city, big Greek population, east coast, Masai GM.

Brother he was an injury replacement all star. Aka he wouldn’t be picked normally. If he’s such a good player the Raps can build around him instead of Giannis?

Your package is a bunch of junk. #9 is a huge difference to #4 in most drafts

Won't you be joining the Raptors fanclub if he goes there?

[Effigy]

Raps' title run was as flukey as it gets, maybe in another 10 years it happens again but not immediately.

The Raptors had almost a decade of making the playoffs and being a high seed. They kept running into Lebron James.

We just needed one player that can lift the whole team, and get a bucket when needed. Kawhi was that guy.

The team had:

Kyle Lowry: 6× NBA All-Star (2015–2020), All-NBA Third Team (2016)

Marc Gasol: 3× NBA All-Star (2012, 2015, 2017), All-NBA First Team (2015), All-NBA Second Team (2013), NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013)

Pascal Siakam: NBA Most Improved Player (2019) Future 2× NBA All-Star (2020, 2023), All-NBA Second Team (2020), All-NBA Third Team (2022)

Danny Green: NBA Champion (2014), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2017)

Serge Ibaka: 3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2012–2014)

Fred VanVleet: NBA Champion (2019), NBA All-Star (2022)


Not to forget: OG and Norm Powell.

That's really, really not a fluke.

It was a fluke in the sense that it's very very rare to play a finals against a team without it's best player. Last time I can think of it happening was back to back in 88 and 89 when Magic and Isiah were hurt in different years. The Raptors weren't the best team that year, everyone knows that. They got to play a team missing it's best player, and then their third best player got hurt and missed some time and came back later in the series but wasn't the same. And for some reason, Raptors fans try to rewrite history and pretend that's not the case, lol.

As for your summary of the roster, come on man, lol. Gasol was basically washed and Siakam wasn't an all star yet.

[Duffman100]

Raps' title run was as flukey as it gets, maybe in another 10 years it happens again but not immediately.

The Raptors had almost a decade of making the playoffs and being a high seed. They kept running into Lebron James.

We just needed one player that can lift the whole team, and get a bucket when needed. Kawhi was that guy.

The team had:

Kyle Lowry: 6× NBA All-Star (2015–2020), All-NBA Third Team (2016)

Marc Gasol: 3× NBA All-Star (2012, 2015, 2017), All-NBA First Team (2015), All-NBA Second Team (2013), NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013)

Pascal Siakam: NBA Most Improved Player (2019) Future 2× NBA All-Star (2020, 2023), All-NBA Second Team (2020), All-NBA Third Team (2022)

Danny Green: NBA Champion (2014), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2017)

Serge Ibaka: 3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2012–2014)

Fred VanVleet: NBA Champion (2019), NBA All-Star (2022)


Not to forget: OG and Norm Powell.

That's really, really not a fluke.

It was a fluke in the sense that it's very very rare to play a finals against a team without it's best player. Last time I can think of it happening was back to back in 88 and 89 when Magic and Isiah were hurt in different years. The Raptors weren't the best team that year, everyone knows that. They got to play a team missing it's best player, and then their third best player got hurt and missed some time and came back later in the series but wasn't the same. And for some reason, Raptors fans try to rewrite history and pretend that's not the case, lol.

Nobody tries to rewrite it. But you're narrowing the scope of 'had to play against a finals team without their best player'. Meanwhile there are many instances of playing against teams in other rounds without their best player which is also just as impactful.

Every team has had to overcome or benefit from injuries on their path to a title. You could mark so many as 'flukey' in that case.

In reality, the Warriors sacrificed depth for star power, road those stars late into the playoffs year after year and then saw the byproduct of having to do that. that's part of the "journey".

Raps had ridiculous depth that year, were able to load manage Kawhi like a boss and withstand the injuries he had going into the finals. Let's not forget he was on one leg during the Finals.

[YogurtProducer]

Raps' title run was as flukey as it gets, maybe in another 10 years it happens again but not immediately.

The Raptors had almost a decade of making the playoffs and being a high seed. They kept running into Lebron James.

We just needed one player that can lift the whole team, and get a bucket when needed. Kawhi was that guy.

The team had:

Kyle Lowry: 6× NBA All-Star (2015–2020), All-NBA Third Team (2016)

Marc Gasol: 3× NBA All-Star (2012, 2015, 2017), All-NBA First Team (2015), All-NBA Second Team (2013), NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013)

Pascal Siakam: NBA Most Improved Player (2019) Future 2× NBA All-Star (2020, 2023), All-NBA Second Team (2020), All-NBA Third Team (2022)

Danny Green: NBA Champion (2014), NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2017)

Serge Ibaka: 3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2012–2014)

Fred VanVleet: NBA Champion (2019), NBA All-Star (2022)


Not to forget: OG and Norm Powell.

That's really, really not a fluke.

It was a fluke in the sense that it's very very rare to play a finals against a team without it's best player. Last time I can think of it happening was back to back in 88 and 89 when Magic and Isiah were hurt in different years. The Raptors weren't the best team that year, everyone knows that. They got to play a team missing it's best player, and then their third best player got hurt and missed some time and came back later in the series but wasn't the same. And for some reason, Raptors fans try to rewrite history and pretend that's not the case, lol.

As for your summary of the roster, come on man, lol. Gasol was basically washed and Siakam wasn't an all star yet.

Even if Toronto wasn't the best team that year, they still were a team who was on-par or better than a lot of champion teams. That is why that same team without Kawhi/Danny Green was still a 60+ win team and without COVID was on an absolute tear and had a legit chance at a repeat.

In fact, IMO that Toronto team is the best non-Warriors champ of the last decade.