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Re: Atlanta - Charlotte - Toronto 

Post#21 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:16 pm

psman2 wrote:
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I never implied they didn’t value Mann over Bogi. That fact doesn’t change my opinion that the trade treated Mann as a neutral in trade value. Now if Bogi was expiring or playing well then I would have evaluated the Hawks as thinking and treating Mann as having positive trade value.

They not only valilued Mann over Bogi, they valued Mann on 3 year deal over the MLE, than Bogi on a single year, this is important distinction, no one pays for such contract if it's just neutral.


What would you determine Bogi and those 3 2nds net value was at last deadline?

Something postive...
We don't have to value Mann positively, but Hawks clearly did...
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Re: Atlanta - Charlotte - Toronto 

Post#22 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:30 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:These kinds of trades are really tough to judge without knowing what a team's draft board looks like. Atlanta could view this as a steal for them, them being ripped off, or fair all based on what their draft board is.

I think Mann's a good player, so I like CHA acquiring him if they're trying to make a play-in push. They have #33 and #34 whih should, in theory, increase their willingness to trade one for a player like this too.

On the TOR side not sure I'm a huge fan. I don't usually like downgrading lottery picks as a means of saving money. That said, they do need to shed some since I assume tax is out of the question and their roster is fairly top heavy in salaries. Can't imagine they want to move Barnes/Ingram/Quickley/Poeltl for salary saving since Masai always sticks with his win now guys and Dick/Aghbaji shouldn't be guys you dump for money obviously. No one else saves anything to move so it's kind of RJ by default.

Feels kind of like overkill though. You mention opening up the MLE for backup center... why not just try and work that into this deal? Go get you a decent but overpaid backup s that taking the money back means you don't have to move down in the lottery.

If TOR view the drop from 9 to 13 as no big deal while ATL simultaneously believes it's a serious upgrade, then this deal makes sense. But short of that contradictory viewpoint, feels like one of them would opt out. But I respect the TOR fan opinion of their own team too, just my 5000 foot view.


yea its very draft board dependent. I suspect Masai probably likes someone alot more at 9 than I would.


Not just a Masai thing. i think it's easy for us as fans to just throw 3-5 prospects in a group and call it the same tier and act like there's no difference. These guys slave over those decisions. They do so much background work not just on the guy on the court but his whole character and how they think he's going to work in the NBA. We can dismiss it as "same tier" but to the real evaluators there's serious weight to the order of who's #7, #8, #9, etc. which is why I think you see so few trade downs in the NBA draft.
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Re: Atlanta - Charlotte - Toronto 

Post#23 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:42 pm

Yeah can't see Charlotte being interested, especially if they are trading a near 1st round pick. Would rather have cap space next summer than Mann.

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