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[M-C-G]

We have maybe the best transition big of all time. We anchor him with plodders and the result is embarrassing. Sure keep Lopez, I love the dude, but then we have to fire the coach for one who can handle having a dual identity team that plays all gas no brakes when Giannis is on the court and more traditional half court in the 15 mpg he rests.

KPJ is probably the only FA that matters for the next couple of years. I’d add Trent after, but then a massive drop,to the other guys. I think a lot of them are jags, despite the fact that I love them.

correct on all points except green is worth what trent is. im going to avoid letting two games in the indy series sway me. if green had been given that opportunity he could have just as easily gone the **** off. he did in regular season games that got out of hand our way and then sat down. that was off the bench. give him a starters role and he could be just as nutty as trent was imo

trent is beasley. we can find guys like that every year. full MLE money for occasioanlly stupid shooters is nuts. fill the whole roster with guys like that with dough thats less. its weird but guys can run hot and cold for a year at a time. we need a stable of them. i dont think you invest it all in one guy

I thought we have one more year of AJG before we need to worry about that, no?

[M-C-G]

We have maybe the best transition big of all time. We anchor him with plodders and the result is embarrassing. Sure keep Lopez, I love the dude, but then we have to fire the coach for one who can handle having a dual identity team that plays all gas no brakes when Giannis is on the court and more traditional half court in the 15 mpg he rests.

KPJ is probably the only FA that matters for the next couple of years. I’d add Trent after, but then a massive drop,to the other guys. I think a lot of them are jags, despite the fact that I love them.

correct on all points except green is worth what trent is. im going to avoid letting two games in the indy series sway me. if green had been given that opportunity he could have just as easily gone the **** off. he did in regular season games that got out of hand our way and then sat down. that was off the bench. give him a starters role and he could be just as nutty as trent was imo

trent is beasley. we can find guys like that every year. full MLE money for occasioanlly stupid shooters is nuts. fill the whole roster with guys like that with dough thats less. its weird but guys can run hot and cold for a year at a time. we need a stable of them. i dont think you invest it all in one guy

He gets the least favorable whistle I have ever seen. If Giannis was playing against him, he’d have 25 FTA a game. Other than that he is physical, moves his feet, stays in front of most guys, and plays solid team defense. Not sure you can do much better than that

Edit, I accidentally cropped out Sox comments.

[M-C-G]

I keep hoping we make a deal with the Warriors, Kuminga and Moody are likely available and not overly expensive to get. I think both of them might do better in a new situation.

What makes you think a Doc coached team is better? We really messed up not getting Atkinson or Quinn Snyder, feel like those guys are way more modern than Doc.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We have maybe the best transition big of all time. We anchor him with plodders and the result is embarrassing. Sure keep Lopez, I love the dude, but then we have to fire the coach for one who can handle having a dual identity team that plays all gas no brakes when Giannis is on the court and more traditional half court in the 15 mpg he rests.

KPJ is probably the only FA that matters for the next couple of years. I’d add Trent after, but then a massive drop,to the other guys. I think a lot of them are jags, despite the fact that I love them.

correct on all points except green is worth what trent is. im going to avoid letting two games in the indy series sway me. if green had been given that opportunity he could have just as easily gone the **** off. he did in regular season games that got out of hand our way and then sat down. that was off the bench. give him a starters role and he could be just as nutty as trent was imo

trent is beasley. we can find guys like that every year. full MLE money for occasioanlly stupid shooters is nuts. fill the whole roster with guys like that with dough thats less. its weird but guys can run hot and cold for a year at a time. we need a stable of them. i dont think you invest it all in one guy

I thought we have one more year of AJG before we need to worry about that, no?

correct. im suggesting building the roster on guys more greens price point in that type of role tho. green will get paid next year on extension but we need to find the next version of him on a rookie deal. thats what im suggesting. once trent gets paid i expect regression. green id assume continued improvement with bigger oppurtunities. the rookie type is hungry and those guys play harder on the defensive side

[tedbrogen]

Bringing Brook and Bobby back basically means no path to the full MLE which almost certainly means losing one or both of GTJ and KPJ.
I certainly hope the Bucks realize GTJ and KPJ are much better fits in the current NBA than Brook.
But maybe they do value having a guy who can’t get closer than 30 feet to the hoop on offense for fear that he’s too slow to get back on defense…

[tedbrogen]

FWIW, Bobby opting in gives you an easy path to a Durant trade, if that's the swing they'd choose to take.

What’s the package?

[tedbrogen]

I do agree with those stating KPJ is the priority to retain over GTJ. KPJ still has more potential ceiling left and AJG is a better version of GTJ.

That said, I’d like to keep both GTJ and KPJ, let Brook walk, retain Bobby and Sims.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

[ShootingtheJ]

FWIW, Bobby opting in gives you an easy path to a Durant trade, if that's the swing they'd choose to take.

Yes, Bobby is only opting in to be traded to a team that can't sign him, but will give him an extension. Unlike sign and trade scenarios, that team will need to pay full price for him.

[ShootingtheJ]

I keep hoping we make a deal with the Warriors, Kuminga and Moody are likely available and not overly expensive to get. I think both of them might do better in a new situation.

What makes you think a Doc coached team is better? We really messed up not getting Atkinson or Quinn Snyder, feel like those guys are way more modern than Doc.

Atkinson looked very Bud like inthat he didn't adjust to the differences of playoff basketball.

[jakecronus8]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

Perfect tank commander if the doomsday scenario plays out.

[ShootingtheJ]

Thoughts:

1) I'm on Swanson's side on Lopez, assuming a significant cut in pay. He's a regular season minutes eater and is the only rim defender besides Giannis.
But I want a switchable big for specific matchups. The guy I want is Kevon Looney (maybe we can get a hometown discount). Defends the entire court well and excellent rebounder. Can't shoot, but unlike Kuzma, he's smart enough to know he shouldn't shoot.

2) I find it puzzling that Doc knew that Brook had to be benched in the Pacer's series and never (until the end) knew that Kuzma was even worse than Brook. Puzzling in that Brook has discernable bball skills and Kuzma doesn't have any.

3) The need for a three and d wing is as big as ever. Everyone wants one, so I'm not naive enough to think the Bucks will get one.

Sims will be better than Looney over the next 3 years, and it doesn't eat into our exceptions to sign Sims, but it does for Looney.

[PG Graveyard]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

He has to be back. The upside is tantamount but the downside is he’s out of the league. It’s a roll of the dice but I’m optimistic he’s excellent next year.

[tedbrogen]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

He has to be back. The upside is tantamount but the downside is he’s out of the league. It’s a roll of the dice but I’m optimistic he’s excellent next year.

The downside is why you could get a guy with potential on either the BAE or partial MLE.

[tedbrogen]

Is AJG extension eligible? Can they extend him without burning part of the MLE to do so?

[ShootingtheJ]

Is AJG extension eligible? Can they extend him without burning part of the MLE to do so?

He is extension eligible, and they have his full Bird Rights, so no need to use an Exception.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

Not that big of a concern considering he replaces the guy who was nuking the team.

The Bucks actually had a better offensive rating with KPJ on the floor last year than with Dame on the floor. Largely a function of handing the reigns of the offense to Giannis, but that's our future.

Pairing Giannis with a PG who defends is a proven winning formula.

[BigO]

Thoughts:

1) I'm on Swanson's side on Lopez, assuming a significant cut in pay. He's a regular season minutes eater and is the only rim defender besides Giannis.
But I want a switchable big for specific matchups. The guy I want is Kevon Looney (maybe we can get a hometown discount). Defends the entire court well and excellent rebounder. Can't shoot, but unlike Kuzma, he's smart enough to know he shouldn't shoot.

2) I find it puzzling that Doc knew that Brook had to be benched in the Pacer's series and never (until the end) knew that Kuzma was even worse than Brook. Puzzling in that Brook has discernable bball skills and Kuzma doesn't have any.

3) The need for a three and d wing is as big as ever. Everyone wants one, so I'm not naive enough to think the Bucks will get one.

Sims will be better than Looney over the next 3 years, and it doesn't eat into our exceptions to sign Sims, but it does for Looney.

Looney is a much better ballplayer than Sims and is only three years older.

Sims is another guy with no discernible bball skills.

Looney has much better hands, is a better rebounder, has a much better assist to turnover ratio, is much smarter and understands the game so much better. Sims is starting his 6th year. He is what he is, which is better than nothing, but not much more.

Looney may be out of our price range, but if he isn't, he's miles ahead of Sims.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd like to believe in the potential of KPJ, but I also think there's a high likelihood that he nukes the team when he's on the court if his game doesn't mature.

Not that big of a concern considering he replaces the guy who was nuking the team.

The Bucks actually had a better offensive rating with KPJ on the floor last year than with Dame on the floor. Largely a function of handing the reigns of the offense to Giannis, but that's our future.

Pairing Giannis with a PG who defends is a proven winning formula.

You don't have to make literally every single post of yours about Dame.

[ShootingtheJ]

Thoughts:

1) I'm on Swanson's side on Lopez, assuming a significant cut in pay. He's a regular season minutes eater and is the only rim defender besides Giannis.
But I want a switchable big for specific matchups. The guy I want is Kevon Looney (maybe we can get a hometown discount). Defends the entire court well and excellent rebounder. Can't shoot, but unlike Kuzma, he's smart enough to know he shouldn't shoot.

2) I find it puzzling that Doc knew that Brook had to be benched in the Pacer's series and never (until the end) knew that Kuzma was even worse than Brook. Puzzling in that Brook has discernable bball skills and Kuzma doesn't have any.

3) The need for a three and d wing is as big as ever. Everyone wants one, so I'm not naive enough to think the Bucks will get one.

Sims will be better than Looney over the next 3 years, and it doesn't eat into our exceptions to sign Sims, but it does for Looney.

Looney is a much better ballplayer than Sims and is only three years older.

Sims is another guy with no discernible bball skills.

Looney has much better hands, is a better rebounder, has a much better assist to turnover ratio, is much smarter and understands the game so much better. Sims is starting his 6th year. He is what he is, which is better than nothing, but not much more.

Looney may be out of our price range, but if he isn't, he's miles ahead of Sims.

Sims was phenomenal defensively. Every defensive metric as a Buck was outrageous, as was the eye test.

Defending is a basketball skill.