Hello!

[HomoSapien]

The real question is, if we draft another SF/PF, what do we do with Pat's minutes?

He doesn't deserve any, but he has that long contract and you know AK and Billy aren't going to bench him entirely. Matas is going to need 25+ minutes, the hypothetical rookie will need 15-20, and then there's Giddy, Lonzo, Terry, Phillips, Huerter, etc. who will have some of their minutes overlap.

We really can't afford to be giving 20+ minutes to a guy who frequently plays like one of the worst players in the league in the hopes of saving face with that contract or rebuilding what little value he had in the first place. We will though, obviously. As long as Pat's healthy he's going to play, deserved or not.

He only averaged 22 mpg over his final 24 or so games. He was already starting to feel like the odd man out. I think they've finally realized that the chances of him realizing his potential are pretty slim. If they draft someone at his spot, then I'm sure they're prepared to let Pat ride the pine.

[Indomitable]

Hello, I'm Mark, and I've never posted here before, and thus don't know any of you. Wouldn't want to, either, just look at the state of you.

Anyway, hi. I used to support the Bulls, from like 1999 to 2014, before having to rescind team allegiance for professional reasons. Luckily, my career has imploded adequately enough for me to post here, which I cannot stress enough is something I've never done before ever.

I miss the monomaniacal nature of fandom and how the tunnel-vision of partisanship creates a situation where somehow fans are both extremely knowledgeable and extremely ignorant at the same time - that is to say, tremendous knowledge of their own team's players foibles combined with generally terrible knowledge of their value - and figured I'd try and get back into viewing the game like that. Ideally while listening to disjointed radio feeds of John Paxson commentary and drawing on Scott Skiles's forehead.

I think it is important to understand what the consensus is - however, when it comes to the Bulls, I've lost the thread a bit. All I know is that Tyson Chandler never loses a jump ball, Trenton Hassell always takes the first shot of the game for some reason, Tyrus Thomas needs to learn some post moves and Bill Cartwright should play Jay and Jamal together. All completely correct and beyond reproach, of course, but probably a bit out of date.

So, I was wondering if you could share some opinions, thoughts and observations with me that I could pass off as my own. What's the deal? Anyone missing Zach LaVine? Did we give up with the Patrick Williams dream yet? How do we feel about Garpax? Will Yao Ming go number one this year?

(Seriously - how is everything? What do people think broadly about the big Bulls topics? And what ARE the big Bulls topics?)

What a Sham

[GoBlue72391]

The real question is, if we draft another SF/PF, what do we do with Pat's minutes?

He doesn't deserve any, but he has that long contract and you know AK and Billy aren't going to bench him entirely. Matas is going to need 25+ minutes, the hypothetical rookie will need 15-20, and then there's Giddy, Lonzo, Terry, Phillips, Huerter, etc. who will have some of their minutes overlap.

We really can't afford to be giving 20+ minutes to a guy who frequently plays like one of the worst players in the league in the hopes of saving face with that contract or rebuilding what little value he had in the first place. We will though, obviously. As long as Pat's healthy he's going to play, deserved or not.

He only averaged 22 mpg over his final 24 or so games. He was already starting to feel like the odd man out. I think they've finally realized that the chances of him realizing his potential are pretty slim. If they draft someone at his spot, then I'm sure they're prepared to let Pat ride the pine.

I hope you're right, but if the reports are true that AK in part let Patton go because of what he was saying internally about Pat then it seems like AK is prepared to see this Pat thing through to the bitter end.

[Michael Jackson]

Hello, I'm Mark, and I've never posted here before, and thus don't know any of you. Wouldn't want to, either, just look at the state of you.

Anyway, hi. I used to support the Bulls, from like 1999 to 2014, before having to rescind team allegiance for professional reasons. Luckily, my career has imploded adequately enough for me to post here, which I cannot stress enough is something I've never done before ever.

I miss the monomaniacal nature of fandom and how the tunnel-vision of partisanship creates a situation where somehow fans are both extremely knowledgeable and extremely ignorant at the same time - that is to say, tremendous knowledge of their own team's players foibles combined with generally terrible knowledge of their value - and figured I'd try and get back into viewing the game like that. Ideally while listening to disjointed radio feeds of John Paxson commentary and drawing on Scott Skiles's forehead.

I think it is important to understand what the consensus is - however, when it comes to the Bulls, I've lost the thread a bit. All I know is that Tyson Chandler never loses a jump ball, Trenton Hassell always takes the first shot of the game for some reason, Tyrus Thomas needs to learn some post moves and Bill Cartwright should play Jay and Jamal together. All completely correct and beyond reproach, of course, but probably a bit out of date.

So, I was wondering if you could share some opinions, thoughts and observations with me that I could pass off as my own. What's the deal? Anyone missing Zach LaVine? Did we give up with the Patrick Williams dream yet? How do we feel about Garpax? Will Yao Ming go number one this year?

(Seriously - how is everything? What do people think broadly about the big Bulls topics? And what ARE the big Bulls topics?)

What a Sham

Agreed!

[samwana]

Hello, I'm Mark, and I've never posted here before, and thus don't know any of you. Wouldn't want to, either, just look at the state of you.

Anyway, hi. I used to support the Bulls, from like 1999 to 2014, before having to rescind team allegiance for professional reasons. Luckily, my career has imploded adequately enough for me to post here, which I cannot stress enough is something I've never done before ever.

I miss the monomaniacal nature of fandom and how the tunnel-vision of partisanship creates a situation where somehow fans are both extremely knowledgeable and extremely ignorant at the same time - that is to say, tremendous knowledge of their own team's players foibles combined with generally terrible knowledge of their value - and figured I'd try and get back into viewing the game like that. Ideally while listening to disjointed radio feeds of John Paxson commentary and drawing on Scott Skiles's forehead.

I think it is important to understand what the consensus is - however, when it comes to the Bulls, I've lost the thread a bit. All I know is that Tyson Chandler never loses a jump ball, Trenton Hassell always takes the first shot of the game for some reason, Tyrus Thomas needs to learn some post moves and Bill Cartwright should play Jay and Jamal together. All completely correct and beyond reproach, of course, but probably a bit out of date.

So, I was wondering if you could share some opinions, thoughts and observations with me that I could pass off as my own. What's the deal? Anyone missing Zach LaVine? Did we give up with the Patrick Williams dream yet? How do we feel about Garpax? Will Yao Ming go number one this year?

(Seriously - how is everything? What do people think broadly about the big Bulls topics? And what ARE the big Bulls topics?)

Fun story Mark and a very warm welcome to you finally start to post here.

Somewhere in the deepest part of my brain, I can remember a time where we would order pontel videos to watch Bulls games.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

ShamSports will always be my favorite sport-related site (sorry, realgm). I used to just refresh the page over and over again to laugh at all the quotes. I used to know things about NBA contracts. I thought you wrote a manifesto that rivaled Marx's. Thought it was cool it was parleyed into work in the NBA, though certainly a loss for us fans.

If you updated the site, I promise I'd click on all the advertisements.

[League Circles]

ShamSports will always be my favorite sport-related site (sorry, realgm). I used to just refresh the page over and over again to laugh at all the quotes. I used to know things about NBA contracts. I thought you wrote a manifesto that rivaled Marx's. Thought it was cool it was parleyed into work in the NBA, though certainly a loss for us fans.

If you updated the site, I promise I'd click on all the advertisements.

Fun fact - the Capulator still works with current rosters and salaries, or at least it did earlier this year the last time I tried it. Amazing!

[Flopper]

[ozbull]

I, for one, am willing to give Pat Williams another 3-4 years to get the pace of the NBA, grow into his body and work things out.

You guys are too impatient.

[Stratmaster]

or maybe Pat Williams is a pretty good defender (or at least was in prior years) - and was seen by many in and around the league as more than an average defender.

The #s are out there for every team to see, we can see them as fans. This season, Pat as a defender

Isolation: 67th percentile
P&R: 30th
Spot Up: 14th

True isolation is a rarity, most teams in the league only run 6-8 isolations per entire game. A good case of this not being the most valuable type of defense is that Sacramento Zach Lavine is a 96th percentile iso defender. In general the league still considers him a terrible defender.

Yep. I hadn't looked at the stat but I was going to mention that if ISO defense determines defender quality, the Bulls just trade away a defensive stud, and even I acknowledge that Zach is far from that.

[Stratmaster]

I, for one, am willing to give Pat Williams another 3-4 years to get the pace of the NBA, grow into his body and work things out.

You guys are too impatient.

Well played.

[KissedByaRose1]

Welcome back Sham!! Awesome to see you, welcome to hell.

[kyrv]

Scott Skiles' forehead has yet to recover!

[DropStep]

Do you have anything to report from your travels? No is an acceptable answer!

[Indomitable]

I, for one, am willing to give Pat Williams another 3-4 years to get the pace of the NBA, grow into his body and work things out.

You guys are too impatient.

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[sco]

The real question is, if we draft another SF/PF, what do we do with Pat's minutes?

He doesn't deserve any, but he has that long contract and you know AK and Billy aren't going to bench him entirely. Matas is going to need 25+ minutes, the hypothetical rookie will need 15-20, and then there's Giddy, Lonzo, Terry, Phillips, Huerter, etc. who will have some of their minutes overlap.

We really can't afford to be giving 20+ minutes to a guy who frequently plays like one of the worst players in the league in the hopes of saving face with that contract or rebuilding what little value he had in the first place. We will though, obviously. As long as Pat's healthy he's going to play, deserved or not.

I think the answer is that the if the team has to bump him out of the rotation, they'll do it. I think AK alluded to Pat needing to make improvements in the offseason and seemed to convey "he knows what he needs to do, and we're done coddling him".

I like the idea of drafting a 3/4, and having Pat's level of play be the hurdle the kid has to get over.

[GoBlue72391]

The real question is, if we draft another SF/PF, what do we do with Pat's minutes?

He doesn't deserve any, but he has that long contract and you know AK and Billy aren't going to bench him entirely. Matas is going to need 25+ minutes, the hypothetical rookie will need 15-20, and then there's Giddy, Lonzo, Terry, Phillips, Huerter, etc. who will have some of their minutes overlap.

We really can't afford to be giving 20+ minutes to a guy who frequently plays like one of the worst players in the league in the hopes of saving face with that contract or rebuilding what little value he had in the first place. We will though, obviously. As long as Pat's healthy he's going to play, deserved or not.

I think the answer is that the if the team has to bump him out of the rotation, they'll do it. I think AK alluded to Pat needing to make improvements in the offseason and seemed to convey "he knows what he needs to do, and we're done coddling him".

I like the idea of drafting a 3/4, and having Pat's level of play be the hurdle the kid has to get over.

It would have been nice if they gave up on coddling him before they committed 5 years and $90 million to him, but alas.

[sco]

The real question is, if we draft another SF/PF, what do we do with Pat's minutes?

He doesn't deserve any, but he has that long contract and you know AK and Billy aren't going to bench him entirely. Matas is going to need 25+ minutes, the hypothetical rookie will need 15-20, and then there's Giddy, Lonzo, Terry, Phillips, Huerter, etc. who will have some of their minutes overlap.

We really can't afford to be giving 20+ minutes to a guy who frequently plays like one of the worst players in the league in the hopes of saving face with that contract or rebuilding what little value he had in the first place. We will though, obviously. As long as Pat's healthy he's going to play, deserved or not.

I think the answer is that the if the team has to bump him out of the rotation, they'll do it. I think AK alluded to Pat needing to make improvements in the offseason and seemed to convey "he knows what he needs to do, and we're done coddling him".

I like the idea of drafting a 3/4, and having Pat's level of play be the hurdle the kid has to get over.

It would have been nice if they gave up on coddling him before they committed 5 years and $90 million to him, but alas.

Yeah. I'm with you! But to be fair, it's gotta be super hard to flush the #4 pick down the toilet like that.