Dylan Harper

[One_and_Done]

I don’t agree with this assessment (Paolo? Cade? Come on.), but ignoring that, who cares? Risacher was a weak ass #1 pick, as was Bennett. That doesn’t affect the value of drafting Harper any more than saying he might go 5th or 6th next year. Every draft is different.

Paolo wasn't even going #1 until right before the draft. Until the 11th hour people thought Jabari Smith was going #1, and Paolo was going #3. It's revisionist to suggest most people thought he'd be this good.

Cade has exploded this year, but he wasn't very hyped at the time, and some people didn't even think he should go #1. I feel pretty confident knowing what we did now about all 3 prospects that Harper would go first over them. He'd probably go behind both Zion and Morant though, and certainly behind Oden & KD. Every draft is different, but some guys are viewed more like #1 calibre picks, and some guys aren't. Harper would legitimately go #1 a bunch of years. If it wasn't for the optics, I'm not 100% convinced he wouldn't be getting more of a look in at #1 this year.

Paolo was going #1 the whole time. The Magic just didn’t tell anyone, because they were trying to figure out if trading out could still get them their guy. His skillset and size made a better prospect than Harper, zero doubt. He hasn’t developed as well as you’d like yet, but that’s not relevant here.

Cade was a better prospect if you care at all about winning. Harper has a cool highlight skill set with that handle, but Cade actually dragged a sad ass roster of zero other NBA talent to much better results. And Cade didn’t explode this year — he just had NBA caliber teammates and his defense has started to catch up. He was plenty hyped. He’s an actual point guard, even with that sloppy handle of his.

You chimed in numerous times during the season, even late in the season, about taking Harper over Flagg. I’ll just leave that here for others to evaluate.

Your reply just proves the point I was making. Nobody knew Paolo was even going #1, not even Paolo until right before the draft. Maybe the Magic really were going to take him all along, but if the hype for Paolo was really what you said it was then there wouldn’t have been so much uncertainty. Most mocks had J.Smith Jnr at #1 until the 11th hour. Contrast this to Harper, who is the consensus #2 and in a tier of his own, in what is perceived to be a better draft. Most mocks had Paolo going #3!

I liked Cade all along, and it didn’t take me this year to decide that… but the hype leading into the draft was not that loud. He measured smaller than expected (6-6 vs 6-8) and people were much less excited than they hoped to be given his lack of athleticism. Some people preferred Jalen Green at #2. I thought that was always silly, but the draft was perceived to have a “big 3” of Cade, Green, and Mobley, with pundits debating which should go #1. It looked a safe bet it would be Cade taken #1 leading into the draft, but those 3 players were seen as similar. I’m not certain Harper would have gone #1 in 2021, but he’d have had a fair chance.

I have said little about the draft this year until recently, and so far all I’ve really asked is “are we sure Harper is worse than Flagg?” I’m not saying Harper is better, but it seems like there’s more room to debate this than is being acknowledged, based off my limited scouting of them both. That said, the consensus about how good Harper is has been clear. He’s regarded as a guy who could go #1 some years.

I should add that while Ant has turned out great, the top of the 2020 draft wasn't rated very highly at the time either. It was a '3 way contest' for the #1 pick supposedly, between Ant, Wiseman and Ball. I thought that was crazy at the time, because Wiseman looked like trash to me, but that was the general perception. Note Duncan had Ball ranked #1 overall for eg.

[The-Power]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

[tmorgan]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

It’s a fun comparison — because of how dissimilar they are (and were, looking back at Cowboy Cade).

Harper’s biggest strength is one of Cade’s biggest weaknesses. If Cade had Harper’s handle he’d be first team all-nba.

If we knew Harper could pass (elite) and defend (average) like current Cade, he’d be a legit debate for the first pick.

[The-Power]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

It’s a fun comparison — because of how dissimilar they are (and were, looking back at Cowboy Cade).

Harper’s biggest strength is one of Cade’s biggest weaknesses. If Cade had Harper’s handle he’d be first team all-nba.

If we knew Harper could pass (elite) and defend (average) like current Cade, he’d be a legit debate for the first pick.

They are dissimilar in important ways, to be sure, but they do have similarities in terms of being big and physical Guards playing as the main players on teams lacking in talent. Harper has a better handle and a better first step, Cade had a better and more versatile jump shot and offered a bit more on defense. Both showed great flashes as playmakers but were far from flawless in that regard (fortunately Cade is living up to his potential).

[One_and_Done]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

Both are 6-6 as well, and each can do things the other cannot.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

Both are 6-6 as well, and each can do things the other cannot.

Cade is a legit 6'6", a full 2 inches taller than Harper

[One_and_Done]

Cade versus Harper is actually a conversation worth having IMO. I really liked Cade and probably would take him as a prospect but they are comparable at least.

Both are 6-6 as well, and each can do things the other cannot.

Cade is a legit 6'6", a full 2 inches taller than Harper

I think it's more like 1 inch, given their combine measurements. There isn't much in it.

[azcatz11]

Both are 6-6 as well, and each can do things the other cannot.

Cade is a legit 6'6", a full 2 inches taller than Harper

I think it's more like 1 inch, given their combine measurements. There isn't much in it.

Interesting. Harper looks bigger than Cade. I’m surprised he’s actually shorter maybe it’s the hair

[tmorgan]

Combine measurements —

Harper: 6’4.5”, 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’6” standing reach. 213 pounds, meaning he lost about 15 pounds recently to prep for the combine.

These measurements weren’t yet required at the 2021 combine (I think), but if you cobble it together…

Cunningham: 6’5.5”, 7’0.5” wingspan, not sure on standing reach, was 220 pounds then.

So yeah, Cade’s a little taller, a little longer. Harper is obviously quicker. I’m guessing their verticals are about the same, solid but not elite.

Their play styles are so different that I’m not sure any more than those numbers means much.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Combine measurements —

Harper: 6’4.5”, 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’6” standing reach. 213 pounds, meaning he lost about 15 pounds recently to prep for the combine.

These measurements weren’t yet required at the 2021 combine (I think), but if you cobble it together…

Cunningham: 6’5.5”, 7’0.5” wingspan, not sure on standing reach, was 220 pounds then.

So yeah, Cade’s a little taller, a little longer. Harper is obviously quicker. I’m guessing their verticals are about the same, solid but not elite.

Their play styles are so different that I’m not sure any more than those numbers means much.

I watch a lot of games, including the Pistons and Cade and Ausar are the same height and Ausar was measured at 6'5.75"
at the combine.

https://newsletters.lockedonpodcasts.com/nba/locked-on-pistons/ausar-thompson-the-unexpected-key-to-unlocking-pistons-offense

Harper clearly isn't 6'4.5" because of his hair and the fact that his brother measured 6'3.75" and recent photos show he's 100% shorter than his brother

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even if we're stretching it and saying he's his brother's height and our eyes are lying to us, fine, it's still a 2 inch difference

Dylan Harper is not in the same tier as Cade

[The-Power]

Combine measurements —

Harper: 6’4.5”, 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’6” standing reach. 213 pounds, meaning he lost about 15 pounds recently to prep for the combine.

These measurements weren’t yet required at the 2021 combine (I think), but if you cobble it together…

Cunningham: 6’5.5”, 7’0.5” wingspan, not sure on standing reach, was 220 pounds then.

So yeah, Cade’s a little taller, a little longer. Harper is obviously quicker. I’m guessing their verticals are about the same, solid but not elite.

Their play styles are so different that I’m not sure any more than those numbers means much.

I watch a lot of games, including the Pistons and Cade and Ausar are the same height and Ausar was measured at 6'5.75"
at the combine.

https://newsletters.lockedonpodcasts.com/nba/locked-on-pistons/ausar-thompson-the-unexpected-key-to-unlocking-pistons-offense

Harper clearly isn't 6'4.5" because of his hair and the fact that his brother measured 6'3.75" and recent photos show he's 100% shorter than his brother

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even if we're stretching it and saying he's his brother's height and our eyes are lying to us, fine, it's still a 2 inch difference

Dylan Harper is not in the same tier as Cade

I'll give it to you that you are a funny poster sometimes because of how much you can obsess over something and how much you overestimate your own abilities.

Thinking you can identify an inch or so of height difference by looking at a single picture in which the two people you are comparing are not standing side by side, are not in the same stance, and you have no idea about the kind of shoes they are wearing – that's quite hilarious to think about.

It's also funny that you strictly refuse to believe the measurements for Harper as if they were guaranteed to be inaccurate but then you have no issues using the measured heights of his brother (who by the way was measured 6'4 according to the official NBA page) or Ausar for comparison. Why are their heights believable? You also believe that by watching a team play on TV (or even in person) you can confidently say that two players are the same height. And I don't mean ‘roughly the same height’ but you seem to genuinely believe that you can confidently determine the height difference to a quarter of an inch.

Also, if his brother measured as 6'3.75 (as you believed) and you claim that Dylan is ‘100% shorter’ than him (i.e., clearly identifiable on pictures with no room for discussion), how tall do you think Dylan Harper is in reality? 6'2?



Oh look, Dylan Harper looks at least 3 inches taller than his brother in this perfectly placed picture frame that is definitely not distorting. Let's get the conversation going that he is actually 6'8 w/o shoes and have him up there with Flagg!

[CptCrunch]

I am the biggest Cade hater on the planet, but still will make the statement that Harper is better than Cade pre-draft.

Far better than Palo, Jabari, Chet and at least half a step above Ant.

He is the a clear #1 most years. Just not this year with Cooper. This is a two player draft. I don't think the Mavs have not thought about drafting Harper over Cooper. Harper fits the mold of Harden, Brunson.

Cooper is probably way better but Harper is such a good prospect. If the Mavs draft Harper, I won't blame them.

[tontoz]

Is that clown still obsessing about Harper's hair?

[CptCrunch]

Harper is an inch or two shorter than his height. That's fact. Doesn't make him bad. He is just a good SG sized prospect, perfect combo guard size. He isn't a SF or late career PF like the Tatum, Brown and Lebrons.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Harper is an inch or two shorter than his height. That's fact. Doesn't make him bad. He is just a good SG sized prospect, perfect combo guard size. He isn't a SF or late career PF like the Tatum, Brown and Lebrons.

I love that the idea here is that the ****

National
Basketball
Association

is somehow so **** perplexed and baffled by black hair that they don't know how to do accurate measurements if someone changes hair styles.

Like, you understand that if this actually worked that EVERY SINGLE PLAYER THAT COULD would be going into the combine with an afro, right.

What's wrong with your brain.

[vincecarter4pres]

Harper is an inch or two shorter than his height. That's fact. Doesn't make him bad. He is just a good SG sized prospect, perfect combo guard size. He isn't a SF or late career PF like the Tatum, Brown and Lebrons.

I love that the idea here is that the ****

National
Basketball
Association

is somehow so **** perplexed and baffled by black hair that they don't know how to do accurate measurements if someone changes hair styles.

Like, you understand that if this actually worked that EVERY SINGLE PLAYER THAT COULD would be going into the combine with an afro, right.

What's wrong with your brain.

It’s facking amazing really, the tinfoilhatism is at Q levels itt.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Is that clown still obsessing about Harper's hair?

cry harder beta

[CptCrunch]

I feel like we have posters here being paid by Harper's agent or is incapable of understanding the physics of our world.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Combine measurements —

Harper: 6’4.5”, 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’6” standing reach. 213 pounds, meaning he lost about 15 pounds recently to prep for the combine.

These measurements weren’t yet required at the 2021 combine (I think), but if you cobble it together…

Cunningham: 6’5.5”, 7’0.5” wingspan, not sure on standing reach, was 220 pounds then.

So yeah, Cade’s a little taller, a little longer. Harper is obviously quicker. I’m guessing their verticals are about the same, solid but not elite.

Their play styles are so different that I’m not sure any more than those numbers means much.

I watch a lot of games, including the Pistons and Cade and Ausar are the same height and Ausar was measured at 6'5.75"
at the combine.

https://newsletters.lockedonpodcasts.com/nba/locked-on-pistons/ausar-thompson-the-unexpected-key-to-unlocking-pistons-offense

Harper clearly isn't 6'4.5" because of his hair and the fact that his brother measured 6'3.75" and recent photos show he's 100% shorter than his brother

Read on Twitter

even if we're stretching it and saying he's his brother's height and our eyes are lying to us, fine, it's still a 2 inch difference

Dylan Harper is not in the same tier as Cade

I'll give it to you that you are a funny poster sometimes because of how much you can obsess over something and how much you overestimate your own abilities.

Thinking you can identify an inch or so of height difference by looking at a single picture in which the two people you are comparing are not standing side by side, are not in the same stance, and you have no idea about the kind of shoes they are wearing – that's quite hilarious to think about.

but...they're literally standing shoulder to shoulder. It's safe to assume they're both wearing sneakers and while there is some variance it's not enough to concern myself with regarding this picture because he's comfortably taller than Dylan

It's also funny that you strictly refuse to believe the measurements for Harper as if they were guaranteed to be inaccurate but then you have no issues using the measured heights of his brother (who by the way was measured 6'4 according to the official NBA page) or Ausar for comparison.

incorrect, it's BECAUSE I know his brother is shorter than his reported 6'4" (due to hair) measurement that I'm confident Dylan, who is even shorter, is definitely sub 6'4". His hair wasn't as egregious at his combine as Dylan's which is why I estimated 1/4 inch shorter. Ausar, like most of these guys gaming the system, takes a hit as well. It's all baked in for all of these guys when they wear similar hairstyles

Why are their heights believable? You also believe that by watching a team play on TV (or even in person) you can confidently say that two players are the same height. And I don't mean ‘roughly the same height’ but you seem to genuinely believe that you can confidently determine the height difference to a quarter of an inch.

Of course, when you've watched the NBA for literally 45+ years and have spatial awareness and eyeballs you should be able to gauge heights accurately. I'm not special in this except in comparison to the simps in here

Also, if his brother measured as 6'3.75 (as you believed) and you claim that Dylan is ‘100% shorter’ than him (i.e., clearly identifiable on pictures with no room for discussion), how tall do you think Dylan Harper is in reality? 6'2?

I think he's 6'3.5".



Oh look, Dylan Harper looks at least 3 inches taller than his brother in this perfectly placed picture frame that is definitely not distorting. Let's get the conversation going that he is actually 6'8 w/o shoes and have him up there with Flagg!

imagine thinking this is in any way comparable to the photo I provided where they're standing shoulder to shoulder. Forced perspective with Dylan closer to the camera will make him look taller and bigger. It's why I provided the photo I did so even the dumbest (apparently not) would have a hard time refuting it.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Is that clown still obsessing about Harper's hair?

cry harder beta

I feel like I'm watching someone actually lose their mind. Do you need physical help currently? Are you a danger to yourself or others?