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Post#181 » by Rebound Mound » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:23 pm

I like Reid in the sense that he can get on court from the bench and play either PF or C, although his fit as a PF is not ideal and his fit as a C is basically based on his ability to outscore his opponents, but not in playing defense. He is physical, or can be physical, and sometimes he does get to the low post, but he plays off threes and cuts, off rebounds, etc.
IMO, too short for being a rim protector. He is not that different from OO and the path that OO should develop is, more or less, him (with a bigger upside, I hope).

I believe we should focus on a different kind of player. I would stick to CC at a good price instead of Reid at an expensive rate. A player like Capela offers different things from OO and Reid offers mostly the same things, with less defensive ability, less intimidation... and a much better shooting ability. I would go with Kessler, Edey, Maluach or Adams...
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Post#182 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:28 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:I believe we should focus on a different kind of player. I would stick to CC at a good price instead of Reid at an expensive rate. A player like Capela offers different things from OO and Reid offers mostly the same things, with less defensive ability, less intimidation... and a much better shooting ability. I would go with Kessler, Edey, Maluach or Adams...



I agree with the idea of Capela as a high leverage backup Center for this team.

But I got the feeling Capela was not onboard with his demotion.

...or constantly being dangled in trade talks.



I have a feeling he will choose another team this summer.
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Post#183 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:56 am

Veterans who shoot from deep at a high level...Hawks need some desperately.

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Post#184 » by Rebound Mound » Tue Jun 3, 2025 10:42 am

What is shooting talent?
I understand that we are getting a lot of open looks but do not convert at a high percentage...

I would have never said that in a millions years if I had been asked... with Niang, OO, Trae, Matthews, JJ, Hunter (till gone), Krejci...
It seemed to me like we scored fine from 3 point range...
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Post#185 » by HMFFL » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:16 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:What is shooting talent?
I understand that we are getting a lot of open looks but do not convert at a high percentage...

I would have never said that in a millions years if I had been asked... with Niang, OO, Trae, Matthews, JJ, Hunter (till gone), Krejci...
It seemed to me like we scored fine from 3 point range...
The Hawks only had two players that made a 100 or more three pointers.

We need a minimum of four to win a championship.

No more than 4 players that average double digit shot attempts per game.

We need a minimum of 4 players that make 100 or more three pointers a season.

Right now, we're pretenders, just like the Orlando Magic, and other teams. Orlando was the superior team to us when it mattered.
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Post#186 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:21 pm

If Trae Young truly wants to contend in Atlanta, he'll need to leave some money on the table to pursue other top vets.

In his position, I'm not sure if I'd sign a short term extension to place pressure on the organization to be aggressive...or just take the security of a long term contract. :dontknow:

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Post#187 » by jayu70 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:51 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:If Trae Young truly wants to contend in Atlanta, he'll need to leave some money on the table to pursue other top vets.

In his position, I'm not sure if I'd sign a short term extension to place pressure on the organization to be aggressive...or just take the security of a long term contract. :dontknow:

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But will the FO pursue top vets with the money he leaves on the table, or will it be more of the same? I don't trust them, I'd want to have those top vets signed, sealed, delivered before taking such a deal.
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Post#188 » by Rebound Mound » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:36 am

HMFFL wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:What is shooting talent?
I understand that we are getting a lot of open looks but do not convert at a high percentage...

I would have never said that in a millions years if I had been asked... with Niang, OO, Trae, Matthews, JJ, Hunter (till gone), Krejci...
It seemed to me like we scored fine from 3 point range...
The Hawks only had two players that made a 100 or more three pointers.

We need a minimum of four to win a championship.

No more than 4 players that average double digit shot attempts per game.

We need a minimum of 4 players that make 100 or more three pointers a season.

Right now, we're pretenders, just like the Orlando Magic, and other teams. Orlando was the superior team to us when it mattered.


Thank you.
I remember you explained that here a few weeks ago.

Wouldn't it be the same with 6/7 players making 400 threes???

I believe we could have more than enough with Trae, Krejci, OO, JJ, Niang (if he stays), Matthews, Daniels and perhaps a couple ofm additions.
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Post#189 » by Rebound Mound » Wed Jun 4, 2025 9:49 am

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:If Trae Young truly wants to contend in Atlanta, he'll need to leave some money on the table to pursue other top vets.

In his position, I'm not sure if I'd sign a short term extension to place pressure on the organization to be aggressive...or just take the security of a long term contract. :dontknow:

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But will the FO pursue top vets with the money he leaves on the table, or will it be more of the same? I don't trust them, I'd want to have those top vets signed, sealed, delivered before taking such a deal.


This is our key to success, as happened in the Knicks with Brunson.
Will Trae be willing to leave 10/14 million on the table so the franchise can use them to make a difference in the final roster, it being two role players above standard levels or a very good player that can be brought in with that extra money and the money destined to find a middle class player?

Also, I understand, it is a key for avoiding higher taxes and then letting the owners put the money where it matters... the roster.
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Post#190 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 4, 2025 2:53 pm

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Post#191 » by HMFFL » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:44 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:What is shooting talent?
I understand that we are getting a lot of open looks but do not convert at a high percentage...

I would have never said that in a millions years if I had been asked... with Niang, OO, Trae, Matthews, JJ, Hunter (till gone), Krejci...
It seemed to me like we scored fine from 3 point range...
The Hawks only had two players that made a 100 or more three pointers.

We need a minimum of four to win a championship.

No more than 4 players that average double digit shot attempts per game.

We need a minimum of 4 players that make 100 or more three pointers a season.

Right now, we're pretenders, just like the Orlando Magic, and other teams. Orlando was the superior team to us when it mattered.


Thank you.
I remember you explained that here a few weeks ago.

Wouldn't it be the same with 6/7 players making 400 threes???

I believe we could have more than enough with Trae, Krejci, OO, JJ, Niang (if he stays), Matthews, Daniels and perhaps a couple ofm additions.


Trae, Zacch, and Dyson Daniels are the only three starters capable of making three pointers at a high percentage. Dyson needs to shoot more next season. He can achieve 100 three pointers.

Vit Krejci needs more shot attempts and ahojld focus on 3-point shooting. He has the ability to achieve 100 three pointers if he does.

Garrison Mathews: Needs to go. If not, stop allowing him to attempt 5.5 shors per game because he shot 39% from the field. Trae Young does enough to hurt the team already with his poor shooting as our #1 option.

Georges Niang: Fun player to watch but slow. After next season he will want an extention that we possibly won 't want to pay. We won't have a need for him to attrmpt 9.7 shots per game if our starters are healthy.

OO and JJ will need to have better range.
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Post#192 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:31 pm

HMFFL wrote:Trae, Zacch, and Dyson Daniels are the only three starters capable of making three pointers at a high percentage.



Don't sleep on Okongwu as a 3-point shooter. His FG numbers as a starter last season are promising:
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Post#194 » by Rebound Mound » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:22 pm

I read yesterday that it is a priority to bring LeVert back.
I believe this would be a wonderful stay, as he can play SG, can play SF and also can play as a PG, even sharing the court with Trae.
He offers multiple options with his ability and physical tools.
Krejci, Mann and Levert would give us a solid bench contribution.
As per Cam Johnson, this is precisely what we were talking about 3 point shooting. I believe we are in a position where CJ would be a nice addition, as he can play along JJ or can play with another forward, let's say Risacher or Levert. Not the low post threat we should be looking to acquire and maybe too similar to Gueye in what they both can bring to the court, with an obvious difference due to Gueye's current contribution.

I'd rather take Jeremi Grant, and the price could be similar.

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Johnson
Okongu
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Mann
Krejci
Johnson
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Post#195 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:36 am

Rebound Mound wrote:I read yesterday that it is a priority to bring LeVert back.
I believe this would be a wonderful stay, as he can play SG, can play SF and also can play as a PG, even sharing the court with Trae.
He offers multiple options with his ability and physical tools.
Krejci, Mann and Levert would give us a solid bench contribution.
As per Cam Johnson, this is precisely what we were talking about 3 point shooting. I believe we are in a position where CJ would be a nice addition, as he can play along JJ or can play with another forward, let's say Risacher or Levert. Not the low post threat we should be looking to acquire and maybe too similar to Gueye in what they both can bring to the court, with an obvious difference due to Gueye's current contribution.

I'd rather take Jeremi Grant, and the price could be similar.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
Johnson
Okongu
------------
Levert
Mann
Krejci
Johnson
XXX
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Gueye


Hawks have full MLE and NBA highest TPEs. Can bring in vets without trading players or picks. I prefer to use these avenues and take full advantage of draft picks. Need the talent pipeline of young talented players for the team to grow and vets to win now
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Post#196 » by Rebound Mound » Sat Jun 7, 2025 4:10 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:I read yesterday that it is a priority to bring LeVert back.
I believe this would be a wonderful stay, as he can play SG, can play SF and also can play as a PG, even sharing the court with Trae.
He offers multiple options with his ability and physical tools.
Krejci, Mann and Levert would give us a solid bench contribution.
As per Cam Johnson, this is precisely what we were talking about 3 point shooting. I believe we are in a position where CJ would be a nice addition, as he can play along JJ or can play with another forward, let's say Risacher or Levert. Not the low post threat we should be looking to acquire and maybe too similar to Gueye in what they both can bring to the court, with an obvious difference due to Gueye's current contribution.

I'd rather take Jeremi Grant, and the price could be similar.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
Johnson
Okongu
------------
Levert
Mann
Krejci
Johnson
XXX
-----------
Gueye


Hawks have full MLE and NBA highest TPEs. Can bring in vets without trading players or picks. I prefer to use these avenues and take full advantage of draft picks. Need the talent pipeline of young talented players for the team to grow and vets to win now


Yes, but the new JJ's contract starts this season, plus Johnson is not a FA, but a player under contract who might become available.
With the exceptions we can find FAs. This is the worst offseason ever regarding FAs.
Indeed we can find veterans, such as LeVert.
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Post#197 » by Rebound Mound » Sun Jun 8, 2025 4:15 pm

By watching the first game of the Finals, the PO and many games of the RS, it is becoming clearer and clearer that a roster has to go in the direction of deepness, physicality and athleticism and three point shooting.
The roster I just proposed is a great option due to our circumstances.
I would even plan on trading Trae for a couple of different players who can play PG and C, thus improving our level of toughness there.

I mean, a lineup of Lamelo with Daniels, Risacher, JJ and OO would be great to see, with everybody switching and a bench with five similar guys who offer shooting, athleticism and defense.
Krejci, LeVert, Mann, Gueye/Nance and Nurkic, for example.

Would you do Trae for Lamelo and Nurkic and a pick?
Or Trae and XXX for Lamelo and Bridges?
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Post#198 » by jayu70 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:00 pm

Trae seems bought in for the new season to come:

You’ve been with the Hawks for seven seasons now with career averages of 25.3 points and 9.8 assists per game. You are the face of the Hawks. What do you think your legacy is there so far?

I let other people talk about that and describe my legacy for the Hawks. I love being in Atlanta. That’s my second home. I don’t want to talk about what I’ve done there and what people look at me as. I go out there and play hard and we went on one run [to the Eastern Conference finals] and we haven’t been back since. But I have a feeling, hopefully, we’re here playing the Thunder next year and I’m not having this [dinner]. Y’all will be watching me [in the NBA Finals] here in OKC.”

What’s the reason to be excited about the Hawks’ future?

We had the No. 1 pick last year [Zaccharie Risacher] that has made strides and almost won rookie of the year. We have a lot of young really good players. We have a great coach. We have a lot of stuff that is promising. We have a big season ahead for sure though.


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Post#199 » by jayu70 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:03 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:By watching the first game of the Finals, the PO and many games of the RS, it is becoming clearer and clearer that a roster has to go in the direction of deepness, physicality and athleticism and three point shooting.
The roster I just proposed is a great option due to our circumstances.
I would even plan on trading Trae for a couple of different players who can play PG and C, thus improving our level of toughness there.

I mean, a lineup of Lamelo with Daniels, Risacher, JJ and OO would be great to see, with everybody switching and a bench with five similar guys who offer shooting, athleticism and defense.
Krejci, LeVert, Mann, Gueye/Nance and Nurkic, for example.

Would you do Trae for Lamelo and Nurkic and a pick?
Or Trae and XXX for Lamelo and Bridges?

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