Heat/Nets possible Celtics follow up for Miami

[Texas Chuck]

Robinson ($10M gtd, 7/8 gte date)
#20

for

#26
#36

Nets can waive Robinson and only owe $10M or can keep him on his full salary. The great thing here is they have until 7/8 to decide so if more cap selling is available waive him, if not keep him. Good shooter and a guy who came up through the G league so a perfect vet to have around a super young team. Consolidate to move up.

Heat fans tell me the plan is to cut Robinson so why have dead money? This moves it and...

I think Miami should follow up by taking Hauser into the new TPE. We can argue if Miami owes Boston a little value or Boston owes Miami a little value but with those teams now owning 26,28,32, and 36 that value can easily be haggled out. Miami would then have not lost Robinson's shooting and a cheaper cap hit this year than cutting him. Plus on a very fair deal moving forward. Boston obviously saves 8 figures in money immediately plus more in future years.

[djFan71]

Seems solid. Makes sense for BKN to consolidate and the optionality of the Robinson deal is nice as well.

BOS would probably want 36 out of it. Or 26 for Hauser, 28 and a future 2nd or something. Like you said, that'll be haggled over, but I don't believe it'll be easy, at least not here.

[Godaddycurse]

curious if miami would still want hauser on the books or maximize their capspace next year. but op is solid even without hauser part

[Texas Chuck]

Seems solid. Makes sense for BKN to consolidate and the optionality of the Robinson deal is nice as well.

BOS would probably want 36 out of it. Or 26 for Hauser, 28 and a future 2nd or something. Like you said, that'll be haggled over, but I don't believe it'll be easy, at least not here.

Yeah the more I think about it the more I have Hauser being positive value even with Boston taking no money back, but not so much that IRL that couldn't be worked out.

And to godaddys' point, I don't think Miami could do enough this year to prefer the space, and if they want the space next summer well he's quite movable, so why not have him for a year? I guess unless the price to Boston is higher than I think.

[BBallFreak]

I would skip the second part of the deal. No need for Hauser. We can find a shooter on our own. I'd rather have that money to resign Mitchell and have access to our MLE. I don't hate the first part.

[Texas Chuck]

I would skip the second part of the deal. No need for Hauser. We can find a shooter on our own. I'd rather have that money to resign Mitchell and have access to our MLE. I don't hate the first part.

I forgot all about Mitchell needing a new deal. Yeah I see taking the savings in that case for sure. He fit great there.

[BBallFreak]

I would skip the second part of the deal. No need for Hauser. We can find a shooter on our own. I'd rather have that money to resign Mitchell and have access to our MLE. I don't hate the first part.

I forgot all about Mitchell needing a new deal. Yeah I see taking the savings in that case for sure. He fit great there.

I would think, even if we didn't want to resign him, with our track record with guys like Robinson and Struts, we'd be able to make better use of that money.

[Texas Chuck]

I would skip the second part of the deal. No need for Hauser. We can find a shooter on our own. I'd rather have that money to resign Mitchell and have access to our MLE. I don't hate the first part.

I forgot all about Mitchell needing a new deal. Yeah I see taking the savings in that case for sure. He fit great there.

I would think, even if we didn't want to resign him, with our track record with guys like Robinson and Struts, we'd be able to make better use of that money.

IDK there. I think Hauser is pretty good value at his number. I mean I think there will be a free agent or two signed at a similar or slightly higher amount that might have more impact, but even Miami sometimes misses on guys so there is some risk.

But hey we all differ. I like Hauser more than you. I have no issues. Its why I made it one deal with a possible follow up. The main idea was to keep Miami from just having dead money. Miami can team build from there how they want. I'm definitely not the person best suited to decide that for them.

[vege]

Is 20 worth more than 26 and 36?

[BBallFreak]

Is 20 worth more than 26 and 36?

I wouldn't care if 36 were taken out, personally.

[Texas Chuck]

Is 20 worth more than 26 and 36?

Absolutely it is. But it could be 27. 36 could come out. Miami could add a future 2nd. We all disagree slightly on value and that can be fixed, but we've seen enough historical trades that yes 20 is worth more than 26 and 36. And its absolutely worth more to Brooklyn with their current picks and the inability for as many teams to buy 2nds with cash any longer.

[vege]

Is 20 worth more than 26 and 36?

Absolutely it is. But it could be 27. 36 could come out. Miami could add a future 2nd. We all disagree slightly on value and that can be fixed, but we've seen enough historical trades that yes 20 is worth more than 26 and 36. And its absolutely worth more to Brooklyn with their current picks and the inability for as many teams to buy 2nds with cash any longer.

The economy is changing. Teams will want cheap players to fill the back of their roster. I think 2nd round picks in the 30's have more value nowadays then they had in the past and so should raw cap space.

There's not a lot of teams able to eat Duncan Robinson's salary and teams will have to start giving up real NBA players for peanuts to control their payroll.

Boston is the 1st example. 10 mil in raw cap space and a small asset likely gets you Sam Hauser for example and he is a decent player with a desirable skillset.

Brooklyn could want to use their cap space to get guys like Ty Jerome and Jonathan Kuminga in free agency for example, there are options to use their cap space.

Brooklyn having more picks than they should, shouldn't make those picks unvaluable. There are plenty of teams without picks and maybe some of those teams, will love someone at the end of the 1st round, and will give up future assets for one of those picks.

10 mil in (dead) raw cap space (nowadays) is a lot imo, a lot more than it was last season.

27 or 26 and 10 mil in raw cap space for 20 and a 2nd is better imo.

That's how I see the situation right now, maybe I am wrong, but the CBA is brutal and things will change fast.

But Duncan Robinson is not a terrible player (he is flawed for sure, but he is good), so I don't know, maybe Brooklyn likes him.

[daoneandonly]

It seems solid and sensible enough given what both teams are looking to do

[jbk1234]

I think Brooklyn has cornered the cap space market for contracts that size and it will be difficult to get that deal done by the draft. I'm looking to steal positive value players if I'm the Nets, not absorb negative value guys (even expiring ones) for late picks.

[Texas Chuck]

Brooklyn definitely hasn't cornered the market for anything but the very biggest contracts. Other teams can take on salary. I chose them this time because they also want to consolidate picks. Ignoring that part seems odd.

Now directionally maybe they do want to go for good players not assets, but that would surprise me unless they can really get Giannis. They have almost no NBA players on their roster right now. The players a team will give you for cap space aren't going to make them competitive.

[BBallFreak]

I think Brooklyn has cornered the cap space market for contracts that size and it will be difficult to get that deal done by the draft. I'm looking to steal positive value players if I'm the Nets, not absorb negative value guys (even expiring ones) for late picks.

I think they could probably flip Robinson for a useful player, considering that the acquiring team can waive Robinson and instantly save $10 million.

[Mavrelous]

I don't think 36 is necessary.
What's interesting is if BK can do something similar to what Detroit did with Paul Reed, have him on the cap until the deadline to bypass the salary floor limit, and waive him when his salary slot is needed.

[hugepatsfan]

FWIW, Hauser was going to sign with Miami as UDFA before Stevens convinced him to come to BOS. A long time ago and the contract situation is obviously different, but it does lend credence to the idea of that follow up. Also, Hauser would absolutely cook for Miami. He's like everything good about Duncan Robinson for them over the years with the bad mitigated because he's more natural at the 3 vs. the 2 so reduces the positional duplication with Herro and he's a capable even if unspectacular defender as opposed to actual liability like DRob.

The problem is that I think Hauser will be enough in demand that BOS would have several options to "dump" him on someone and just due to the competitive nature between the teams and how well he fits the MIA system, I think they'd pass on choosing MIA unless they overpaid or it was the only option.