2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Stanford]

With all due respect, what the **** are you talking about? Ace is the overwhelming consensus pick among Sixers fans and everyone who points out his flaws are being shamed for "overthinking it". Noa Essengue has middling, mostly tepid support as trade down option.

And what do NBA fans have against accountants!?

[mjkvol]

What i find a little amusing is that Essengue gets a lot of "passes" by some of the posters. LIke the man plays in a **** league, playing against accountants, and his offensive game seems limited( does his league even produced someone who played in the nba?). But you see some posters saying that his offensive game can improve like is a given, when its hard to improve some aspects of the offensive game. While, when it´s about Bailey evaluation, they "lay the hammer", overanalyzing every aspect of this game, and discarding the problems his team had( that may have impacted his numbers) and all that, being very inflexible on his ability to improve his flaws..

Seems like some players get all the passes, while others dont get that same bonus. Bailey has some flaws, but he has some abilities that are very hard to find in a prospect. Essengue´s may be a good player, but he´s a role player, with limited offensive skills. We need an impact player. I just dont trust people with good athletic abilities playing in bad leagues, it´s easy to look good there( will he even look athletic in the nba?). I´ts how you you end like the Hornets, trying to get cute and drafting a guy like Tidjane Salaun because he had a lot of potential playing against bums. I dont think Noa will be a bust like him, but we have a 3rd pick, we cant risky it in a someone playing in a **** league with roleplayer traits.

Completely agree. I'm not a Bailey guy, but his game has been dissected here like a lab rat, with every flaw magnified over and over, while the late riser Essengue is treated like a hidden gem despite obvious flaws and weak competition.

In a draft without clear 'star' potential after the top two (and Harper isn't a lock, either), I'd rather take a kid with some plug and play skill that still has room to grow, and would focus on things like work ethic and winning attributes. My order is still Jaku, Kon and then a tossup between Tre and VJ.

[sodmoraes]

With all due respect, what the **** are you talking about? Ace is the overwhelming consensus pick among Sixers fans and everyone who points out his flaws are being shamed for "overthinking it". Noa Essengue has middling, mostly tepid support as trade down option.

And what do NBA fans have against accountants!?

Thats´s my point. Baleiy is the consensus top 3 pick in most of the mock drafts, but when you read this forum, you would think he wont be picked in top 10, because he seems to have so many flaws that he doesnt even deserve to be picked in the lotery While some posters, who are very critic of Ace, give a lot of "passes" to other players( Essengue being the "new toy" lately), some even saying that Noa should be drafted top 5.

[Negrodamus]

It’d be a fair point to me if Ace played a game I liked at all as it relates to NBA prospects, but he really is deficient in so many areas that it’s hard it ignore.

Essengue definitely has his questions, but he also does important things that Ace doesn’t: generate fouls, generate steals, gets to the rim. Maybe Ace had all the conditions against him and he really can do all these things when he’s not playing at Rutgers. I’m only evaluating the material that’s put in front of me.

[Stanford]

Thats´s my point. Baleiy is the consensus top 3 pick in most of the mock drafts, but when you read this forum, you would think he wont be picked in top 10

Every prospect considered at 3 has been picked apart on this board. Tre, VJ, and Ace in particular. Ace moreso than the others because he's so frequently put forward as the "don't overthink it" guy. The likelihood of the Sixers selecting a player correlates almost perfectly with the amount of scrutiny they get. No one is scrutinizing Fears because he won't be selected by the Sixers.

[Arsenal]

Only I am a fair and reasonable poster that is pro-Ace AND pro-Noa. We must leave the draft with one of them.

All the rest of y’all biased haters one way or another!

[eyeatoma]

With all due respect, what the **** are you talking about? Ace is the overwhelming consensus pick among Sixers fans and everyone who points out his flaws are being shamed for "overthinking it". Noa Essengue has middling, mostly tepid support as trade down option.

And what do NBA fans have against accountants!?

The Ace detractors have been the loudest, and most vociferous. I have given players like VJ and Tre their flowers, but I rarely see people who are anti Ace say anything good about him when VJ and Tre have just as many if not more questions around them especially when you consider positional flexibility.

[Negrodamus]

Also re:Noa's strength of schedule. He's playing basically all the same guys you'd see in the Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, etc except they are in their mid to late 20s.

s.Oliver Baskets:
Aubrey Dawkins, UCF
Davion Mintz, Kentucky
Zac Seljaas, BYU
And a variety of smaller schools where those guys were one of their best players. That doesn't even put into consideration the German talent there.

Are we trying to imply that these teams full of former college players in their 20s would not beat most of the NCAA teams?

[Stanford]

Maybe they just don't like him as a prospect

[Stanford]

Are we trying to imply that these teams full of former college players in their 20s would not beat most of the NCAA teams?

I'd like to think that a team of accountants in their 30s could beat most NBA teams.

[Negrodamus]

https://bsky.app/profile/franciszomes.bsky.social/post/3lqnr23ls2c2f

Not sure how reliable Shamit Dua is, but if NO is interested in Ace, they have the pieces to make the move.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Ace all day .

[Black Mage]

With all due respect, what the **** are you talking about? Ace is the overwhelming consensus pick among Sixers fans and everyone who points out his flaws are being shamed for "overthinking it". Noa Essengue has middling, mostly tepid support as trade down option.

And what do NBA fans have against accountants!?

As someone who has been the counter-voice for Ace; I don't think it's people pointing out flaws, that's fine and should be done. Its the inconsistency of their arguments when carried over to their preferred prospects.

Example: Tre will play more defense if he doesn't have to carry the offense as much; same poster Ace will always take bad shots and shoot inefficiently and there's no way he'll improve if some of the offensive load is removed. Or VJ can learn to dribble, Ace will never improve his dribble and in-fact he might forget how to altogether.

[eyeatoma]

With all due respect, what the **** are you talking about? Ace is the overwhelming consensus pick among Sixers fans and everyone who points out his flaws are being shamed for "overthinking it". Noa Essengue has middling, mostly tepid support as trade down option.

And what do NBA fans have against accountants!?

As someone who has been the counter-voice for Ace; I don't think it's people pointing out flaws, that's fine and should be done. Its the inconsistency of their arguments when carried over to their preferred prospects.

Example: Tre will play more defense if he doesn't have to carry the offense as much; same poster Ace will always take bad shots and shoot inefficiently and there's no way he'll improve if some of the offensive load is removed. Or VJ can learn to dribble, Ace will never improve his dribble and in-fact he might forget how to altogether.

Nailed it.

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[Mik317]

Again huge coward here

My issues with Ace is that I personally just can't fully look past his flaws like I can for some of the others atm and when guys smarter than I also point the same issues out, I get worried. This pick is huge for us but also kinda the last chance lol..so hitting on it is paramount. Tre is a **** sieve on defense for sure BUT he has an elite skill and you COULD (probably shouldn't) chalk it up to him being the whole offense. VJ's handle isn't super advanced BUT his first step again is elite and not being super advanced doesn't mean bad imo. Kon is an elite shooter and built like fire hydrant so his defense feels like it is better than advertised with some potential on ball chops to be unburied. These all could be massive cop outs and probably are for most of them lol. I can't fully get there on Ace atm (lord knows I will if we draft him especially after the first hesi pull up jimbo) BUT based on mjust purely my eye test as of right now...he isn't a great shooter like advertised but rather a capable one at best AT THIS MOMENT. Its not really his handle that is the issue but his foot speed imo. And while yeah Rutgers was dog water, I am sorry but after making the same excuses for Ben and Fultz Its hard to do it again. Tre and VJ weren't in insane situations either btw. Then you add in the nerd vorpo slorpo stuff I don't fully grasp being another knock on him...it is just a tough sell especically since the non nerd **** of just watching the tape does't fully impress me atm.

I DO think some are going too far tho. As stated earlier the 6'7 thing is just super unfair when Flagg doesn't get the same treatment. And perhaps its just the internet but some do act like he shot their dog lol. But yeah its just easier for me to squint with the other prospects with rose colored glasses atm.

I WILL say tho. Ace is 18 and hasn't had real training yet so he could be more malleable than people think. He is the cleanest "fit" position wise as well. On the silly side, Ace Bailey is a star ass name too. Airous Bailey is even better (might ding him some points for not going by that honestly) And again I am a **** idiot clown who knows nothing so if we take him, I will do a full 180 and go "actually tough shot making is cool".

BUT as of right now my eyes don't fully see the vision like I can with the other guys in the area

[eyeatoma]

Again huge coward here

My issues with Ace is that I personally just can't fully look past his flaws like I can for some of the others atm and when guys smarter than I also point the same issues out, I get worried. This pick is huge for us but also kinda the last chance lol..so hitting on it is paramount. Tre is a **** sieve on defense for sure BUT he has an elite skill and you COULD (probably shouldn't) chalk it up to him being the whole offense. VJ's handle isn't super advanced BUT his first step again is elite and not being super advanced doesn't mean bad imo. Kon is an elite shooter and built like fire hydrant so his defense feels like it is better than advertised with some potential on ball chops to be unburied. These all could be massive cop outs and probably are for most of them lol. I can't fully get there on Ace atm (lord knows I will if we draft him especially after the first hesi pull up jimbo) BUT based on mjust purely my eye test as of right now...he isn't a great shooter like advertised but rather a capable one at best AT THIS MOMENT. Its not really his handle that is the issue but his foot speed imo. And while yeah Rutgers was dog water, I am sorry but after making the same excuses for Ben and Fultz Its hard to do it again. Tre and VJ weren't in insane situations either btw. Then you add in the nerd vorpo slorpo stuff I don't fully grasp being another knock on him...it is just a tough sell especically since the non nerd **** of just watching the tape does't fully impress me atm.

I DO think some are going too far tho. As stated earlier the 6'7 thing is just super unfair when Flagg doesn't get the same treatment. And perhaps its just the internet but some do act like he shot their dog lol. But yeah its just easier for me to squint with the other prospects with rose colored glasses atm.

I WILL say tho. Ace is 18 and hasn't had real training yet so he could be more malleable than people think. He is the cleanest "fit" position wise as well. On the silly side, Ace Bailey is a star ass name too. Airous Bailey is even better (might ding him some points for not going by that honestly) And again I am a **** idiot clown who knows nothing so if we take him, I will do a full 180 and go "actually tough shot making is cool".

BUT as of right now my eyes don't fully see the vision like I can with the other guys in the area

How do you see the vision with VJ or Tre when we likely have to trade one of our guards?

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[Negrodamus]

Why can't we just get the 2nd pick so we can fail in unanimous peace:

DLO
Ingram
Lonzo
Jabari Parker

[Jailblazers7]

The problem with Ace is that he shares too many red flags with our previous f*ck ups. The top pick playing on a bad team that can even make the tournament gives me nightmares after the Simmons/Fultz experience. Obviously Ace is a different player and could turn out to be a great player but the warning signs along the road are hard to ignore.

But then again, I don’t love any prospect at 3 so I’d be comfortable taking him since I’d give Morey and his team the benefit of the doubt given our recent draft success.

[Arsenal]

NBA insider Brett Siegel's updated Big Board has Ace #2, Harper #3, Maluach #4, Edgecombe #5, and Essengue #6. More evidence that we MUST come out of this draft with either Ace or Noa.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/2025-nba-draft-big-board-3-0-rising-stars-top-10

[Arsenal]

The problem with Ace is that he shares too many red flags with our previous f*ck ups. The top pick playing on a bad team that can even make the tournament gives me nightmares after the Simmons/Fultz experience. Obviously Ace is a different player and could turn out to be a great player but the warning signs along the road are hard to ignore.

But then again, I don’t love any prospect at 3 so I’d be comfortable taking him since I’d give Morey and his team the benefit of the doubt given our recent draft success.

Ace got the Mamba Mentality. Exact opposite of mentally SOFT Fultz and Simmons.

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