Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[89Magicfan]

Actually watch a game of him this year vs just looking at the stats. He is a defensive cone like Trae. Gives poor effort on that end and gets beat by faster guards all the time. Most likely bc his injuries have caught up to him at this age. This isn't POR CJ Mccollum. At 30mil per, we can do better. Rather take a shot at Poole then pay 30mil for washed-up mccollum for that "veteran presence" b*****.

Go look at the comments on his trade deadline post. He said "noboby is safe" after Luka trade and all the nola fans burning him how he's safe bc nobody is gonna trade for him since he is bad.

Wait 30 million a year?! Oh God no. Weltman better not.

He is an expiring after next season. Thats the only positive.

And you know this is the type of stuff Weltman would do. Does he not know that theres good players outside of the draft and younger than mid 30’s that can make a difference?

[GelbeWand09]

McCollum is Corey Joseph level on defense.

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All those combo guards are Cory Joseph Level or worse on defense. Why i dont read that argument in all your Poole posts? As a playertype i would take CJ over Simons & Sexton all day because he is a much better passer but the age is very concerning.

[basketballRob]

Looking at it more , I'd probably offer CJ a 1 year $26m extension and a team option for a second season at $24m.

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[basketballRob]

McCollum is Corey Joseph level on defense.

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All those combo guards are Cory Joseph Level or worse on defense. Why i dont read that argument in all your Poole posts? As a player i would take CJ over Simons & Sexton all day because he is a much better passer but the age is concerning.

His brother is still going strong at 37.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/errick-mccollum-1.html

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[89Magicfan]

McCollum is Corey Joseph level on defense.

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All those combo guards are Cory Joseph Level or worse on defense. Why i dont read that argument in all your Poole posts? As a player i would take CJ over Simons & Sexton all day because he is a much better passer but the age is concerning.

His brother is still going strong at 37.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/errick-mccollum-1.html

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His brother?



Wow…

[tiderulz]

A trade for the sake of trading??

Can't see any improvement, I m sure mose would miss KCP each time CJ get killed on D

"Defense for offense" ...didn't those words come right out of your hero's mouth?

how is adding a guy who has been one of the league's elite shooters for a decade and scored over 20ppg for over a decade just dismissed as a "trade for the sake of trading" Can't see any improvement in adding that kind of offensive talent - clean your glasses

Dude is 34. He’s literally at any given moment calling it a career.

I don’t mind it if we got other stuff in the works. If this is Weltman’s biggest move of the off season it just further shows his inabilities.

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

[89Magicfan]

"Defense for offense" ...didn't those words come right out of your hero's mouth?

how is adding a guy who has been one of the league's elite shooters for a decade and scored over 20ppg for over a decade just dismissed as a "trade for the sake of trading" Can't see any improvement in adding that kind of offensive talent - clean your glasses

Dude is 34. He’s literally at any given moment calling it a career.

I don’t mind it if we got other stuff in the works. If this is Weltman’s biggest move of the off season it just further shows his inabilities.

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

21…His numbers are down in some areas.

He’s 34. You’re not new. You know that’s the downside of anyone’s career.

[Magic_Johnny12]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

[OrlandoDream]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

Where did this expiring comments come from? I don't remember him saying this in any interview this year.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

Where did this expiring comments come from? I don't remember him saying this in any interview this year.

he said at the deadline they were only looking for expiring's/ post ASB rentals to make sure they didn't lock themselves out of summer moves. trading for an expiring now would be foolish as **** since they wasted the last 3 years while we had cap space/time to find what works. Now we're 1 year from being a 1st apron team if not pushing close to 2nd and they still have yet to find a guard who can help Paolo/Franz

[Magic_Johnny12]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

Where did this expiring comments come from? I don't remember him saying this in any interview this year.

since they wasted the last 3 years while we had cap space/time to find what works. Now we're 1 year from being a 1st apron team if not pushing close to 2nd and they still have yet to find a guard who can help Paolo/Franz

This needs to be carved in stone. So much time wasted “evaluating” when anyone with one functional eye could have told you Franz/Paolo were ready to compete from almost day-1.

[89Magicfan]

Where did this expiring comments come from? I don't remember him saying this in any interview this year.

since they wasted the last 3 years while we had cap space/time to find what works. Now we're 1 year from being a 1st apron team if not pushing close to 2nd and they still have yet to find a guard who can help Paolo/Franz

This needs to be carved in stone. So much time wasted “evaluating” when anyone with one functional eye could have told you Franz/Paolo were ready to compete from almost day-1.

I hope this is all BS made up by some writer or Weltman throwing out bs to GM’s to get a team to budge.

[VFX]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

So he solves our issues for what? 2-3 seasons maybe.

Then what? Back to square 1 attempting to replace his offense and tempo in the back court.

This is why Simons or Sexton are better despite costing more assets to acquire. If they are actually targeting CJ they need to get him for peanuts. Guy could retire at any moment.

Not only that, but he’s always injured. Guy is the Isaac of guards. He’s played 300 games since the 2020-2021 season.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

So he solves our issues for what? 2-3 seasons maybe.

Then what? Back to square 1 attempting to replace his offense and tempo in the back court.

This is why Simons or Sexton are better despite costing more assets to acquire. If they are actually targeting CJ they need to get him for peanuts. Guy could retire at any moment. Not only that, but he’s always injured. Guy is the Isaac of guards. He’s played 300 games since the 2020-2021 season.

exactly it's a stop gap option, something this FO should've been messing with and finding what type fits the past 3 years vs ignoring it

[89Magicfan]

CJ is my preference from the group of defensive liabilities combo guards that arent serious longterm PG solutions (Sexton/Simons/Poole etc.)

I’m not sure why people are surprised, Weltman literally and publicly stated that at the deadline he was only looking for expirings and now will focus on acquiring “proven offensive talent”.

CJM is an expiring and proven offensive help lol.

Not the sexiest name I admit, but it’s obvious he wants to maintain flexibility and prepare for the inevitable Paolo max (or super max if he gets all NBA).

So he solves our issues for what? 2-3 seasons maybe.

Then what? Back to square 1 attempting to replace his offense and tempo in the back court.

This is why Simons or Sexton are better despite costing more assets to acquire. If they are actually targeting CJ they need to get him for peanuts. Guy could retire at any moment. Not only that, but he’s always injured. Guy is the Isaac of guards. He’s played 300 games since the 2020-2021 season.

exactly it's a stop gap option, something this FO should've been messing with and finding what type fits the past 3 years vs ignoring it

If the rumor is true (I’m praying hard it’s not) this is how Weltman has operated as a GM forever.

I remember reading PePe’s post about him and Hammond and their MO of doing things. Guys they signed and traded for.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So he solves our issues for what? 2-3 seasons maybe.

Then what? Back to square 1 attempting to replace his offense and tempo in the back court.

This is why Simons or Sexton are better despite costing more assets to acquire. If they are actually targeting CJ they need to get him for peanuts. Guy could retire at any moment. Not only that, but he’s always injured. Guy is the Isaac of guards. He’s played 300 games since the 2020-2021 season.

exactly it's a stop gap option, something this FO should've been messing with and finding what type fits the past 3 years vs ignoring it

If the rumor is true (I’m praying hard it’s not) this is how Weltman has operated as a GM forever.

I remember reading PePe’s post about him and Hammond and their MO of doing things. Guys they signed and traded for.

just seems foolish to move anything for an aging CJ when you have the actual assets to land a younger player who could grow with Palo/Franz. Especially when he's owed 30M, it's not like we're talking moving him for Gary Harris and 2nds.

[89Magicfan]

exactly it's a stop gap option, something this FO should've been messing with and finding what type fits the past 3 years vs ignoring it

If the rumor is true (I’m praying hard it’s not) this is how Weltman has operated as a GM forever.

I remember reading PePe’s post about him and Hammond and their MO of doing things. Guys they signed and traded for.

just seems foolish to move anything for an aging CJ when you have the actual assets to land a younger player who could grow with Palo/Franz. Especially when he's owed 30M, it's not like we're talking moving him for Gary Harris and 2nds.

It is to us who have watched this FO continuously kick the can the down the road. They’ll make these type of trades/signings, parade them as saviors and when it’s shown that it wasn’t the right direction or unsuccessful they’ll just go into the off season and deadline making up excuses why.

Like I said hopefully a rumor but if there’s legs to this, I’ll stand by my previous belief that firing them is the best thing moving forward.

[tiderulz]

Dude is 34. He’s literally at any given moment calling it a career.

I don’t mind it if we got other stuff in the works. If this is Weltman’s biggest move of the off season it just further shows his inabilities.

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

21…His numbers are down in some areas.

He’s 34. You’re not new. You know that’s the downside of anyone’s career.

his numbers last year would be our best offensive guard.

[89Magicfan]

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

21…His numbers are down in some areas.

He’s 34. You’re not new. You know that’s the downside of anyone’s career.

his numbers last year would be our best offensive guard.

And I’d be fine if he wasn’t 34 years old making 30 million who’s getting hurt. I’d also be fine with it if Weltman explored other ways besides signing or trading for aging injury prone vets or drafting long guys who he hopes can be something they are not. Trade for a 25-27 year old talented player that can play with your team for more than a year or two for Christ sakes. Do something different for once. Get a guy who you know has a certain skill, that can grow with your team and isn’t near retirement. How hard is that?

Is he looking to improve his team or looking for future announcers?

[Idiosyncratic]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.