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**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

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Who's the guard pick if all available at 20?

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Jase Richardson
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Nolan Traore
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Walter Clayton Jr
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Ben Saraf
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Post#1081 » by dolphinatik » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:08 am

Drake Powell is def on the Heat radar. His game is too good not to be. I believe he has a floor promise already in the first round. Worth the gamble dont be surprised. He was a standout against others draftees during preparations and has kinda shut it down already.

If Cedric, Nique, Carter Bryant and Clayton are gone I could see Miami reaching on him. I also like Penda
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Post#1082 » by lastb1ckman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:30 pm

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lastb1ckman wrote:Anyone have any Cs they're interested in? Guys that could actually play back up C? Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, Maxime Raynaud and Hasen Yang seem to be interesting to me. Though, im not sure how a lot of them will be on defense.

We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.
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Post#1083 » by Hallstar » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:36 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:Anyone have any Cs they're interested in? Guys that could actually play back up C? Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, Maxime Raynaud and Hasen Yang seem to be interesting to me. Though, im not sure how a lot of them will be on defense.

We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

I wouldn't waste a 20th pick on a backup C. You can usually get an athletic center in the 2nd round
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Post#1084 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:41 pm

Hallstar wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

I wouldn't waste a 20th pick on a backup C. You can usually get an athletic center in the 2nd round


Anyone they draft is going to be a backup. I'm ts more important to draft the talent.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1085 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 3, 2025 1:20 pm

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lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

I wouldn't waste a 20th pick on a backup C. You can usually get an athletic center in the 2nd round

This i completely agree with. That “talent” prospects at pick 20 will also be very subjective so to say taking Danny Wolf or Thomas Sorber over lets say a Clifford, Coward, Powell, or the guards Saraf, WCJ, and Richardson would’t make any sense for us considering what we already have at the position with Bam, Ware, Jovic, and even Keshad Johnson.
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Post#1086 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 3, 2025 1:26 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:Anyone have any Cs they're interested in? Guys that could actually play back up C? Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, Maxime Raynaud and Hasen Yang seem to be interesting to me. Though, im not sure how a lot of them will be on defense.

We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

2 way wings in this league are always at a premium. What do we really have at wing right now? Jaquez, Larrson? Jaquez sucks at shooting 3’s and Larrson is currently undersized at 6’5 215 who should be playing mostly the two but his shot isn’t that consistent either. We need wings that are 6’7 with good length who can shoot. We really don’t have that. We are still stuck running out undersized one trick ponies like 6’5 Jagsmith. I agree with you though i’m all for drafting a PG but i’m ok if one of the big bodied wings with length who can shoot. We can find a vet Center for the minimum to complement the current group.
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Post#1087 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 3, 2025 1:36 pm

This is our guy. Bring Dragic on the staff and let him school this kid. Brings great functional size to the PG position. Saraf and Mitchell could be a fun PG duo here for many years. They could even share the backcourt together at times due to Saraf’s size. Ware and Bam won’t know what to do with themselves and all the open dunks having a PG like Saraf

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Post#1088 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:18 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:This is our guy. Bring Dragic on the staff and let him school this kid. Brings great functional size to the PG position. Saraf and Mitchell could be a fun PG duo here for many years. They could even share the backcourt together at times due to Saraf’s size. Ware and Bam won’t know what to do with themselves and all the open dunks having a PG like Saraf

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Post#1089 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:44 pm

If the Heat are ok with drafting a project I am intrigued with Drake Powell

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Post#1090 » by lastb1ckman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:28 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We really have to focus on a guard or a wing this draft at 20. Ware, Bam, and Jovic front court with Keshad Johnson developing doesn’t really need another young big who will barely play. Think we’ll be fine just signing a vet Center and picking up a Skyforce development prospect. PG or rotation wing behind Herro should be viewed as the highest priority.


I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

2 way wings in this league are always at a premium. What do we really have at wing right now? Jaquez, Larrson? Jaquez sucks at shooting 3’s and Larrson is currently undersized at 6’5 215 who should be playing mostly the two but his shot isn’t that consistent either. We need wings that are 6’7 with good length who can shoot. We really don’t have that. We are still stuck running out undersized one trick ponies like 6’5 Jagsmith. I agree with you though i’m all for drafting a PG but i’m ok if one of the big bodied wings with length who can shoot. We can find a vet Center for the minimum to complement the current group.


Id agree with you if this was a top 10 or lottery pick. Its 20. The same range Jaime and Jovic, and tbh in a redraft Id take Larrson in the 20s too. Any wing or forward in this range is probably in the same tier potential wise as who we got. All the wings people are hyping in this range all have some major flaws, that's why they aren't lottery picks. Fleming for example probably has no creation at the next level and isn’t really that great of a perimeter defender. I personally see him like maybe a smaller Ibaka than some prototyical 3&D wing. Cedric Coward looks like a good 3&D wing on paper, but also lacks creation and Im super wary of his limited games this year. Wiseman tricked us all like that.
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Post#1091 » by lastb1ckman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:31 pm

Im not saying those guys won't be good contributors, but i just think theyll be in the same tier as Jaime, Jovic, Larrson. Rotation players on good teams.
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Post#1092 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:51 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:Im not saying those guys won't be good contributors, but i just think theyll be in the same tier as Jaime, Jovic, Larrson. Rotation players on good teams.

I'm on team PG. Jase if he slips then Saraf or Walter Clayton Jr. I'mm be fine whomever we pick out of those 3. I'm sure whomever we picked test out the best.
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Post#1093 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:38 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:Im not saying those guys won't be good contributors, but i just think theyll be in the same tier as Jaime, Jovic, Larrson. Rotation players on good teams.

I'm on team PG. Jase if he slips then Saraf or Walter Clayton Jr. I'mm be fine whomever we pick out of those 3. I'm sure whomever we picked test out the best.


I am starting to think if you are thinking point, then you might be thinking trading back.
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Post#1094 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:32 pm

twix2500 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:Im not saying those guys won't be good contributors, but i just think theyll be in the same tier as Jaime, Jovic, Larrson. Rotation players on good teams.

I'm on team PG. Jase if he slips then Saraf or Walter Clayton Jr. I'mm be fine whomever we pick out of those 3. I'm sure whomever we picked test out the best.


I am starting to think if you are thinking point, then you might be thinking trading back.

I think you may be on to something. Especially with Boston at 28 and having pick 32 in the second round. If Wolf or Sorbor are there they could be be hungry to move up for Horford and Porzingis replacement.
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Post#1095 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:45 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
I feel that way about drafting a wing or forward. This team is mostly wings and forwards. That includes Jovic. My number 1 wish is to finally draft a pg. Otherwise draft a back up C. I want them to maximize Bam and Ware minutes together along with limiting Bams center minutes to playoff and late game situations as he ages. It isn't a sexy pick, but decent back up cs are usually first rounders. The cheap vet or g league call ups never work out at that position.

2 way wings in this league are always at a premium. What do we really have at wing right now? Jaquez, Larrson? Jaquez sucks at shooting 3’s and Larrson is currently undersized at 6’5 215 who should be playing mostly the two but his shot isn’t that consistent either. We need wings that are 6’7 with good length who can shoot. We really don’t have that. We are still stuck running out undersized one trick ponies like 6’5 Jagsmith. I agree with you though i’m all for drafting a PG but i’m ok if one of the big bodied wings with length who can shoot. We can find a vet Center for the minimum to complement the current group.


Id agree with you if this was a top 10 or lottery pick. Its 20. The same range Jaime and Jovic, and tbh in a redraft Id take Larrson in the 20s too. Any wing or forward in this range is probably in the same tier potential wise as who we got. All the wings people are hyping in this range all have some major flaws, that's why they aren't lottery picks. Fleming for example probably has no creation at the next level and isn’t really that great of a perimeter defender. I personally see him like maybe a smaller Ibaka than some prototyical 3&D wing. Cedric Coward looks like a good 3&D wing on paper, but also lacks creation and Im super wary of his limited games this year. Wiseman tricked us all like that.


Every prospect in this range has major flaws.

Every player outside of the top 2 has major flaws.

Jaime is not currently a reason to draft with positional bias rather than aim to extract the most impactful talent possible out of this slot. Neither is Pelle (whom is more guard than he is wing). If I had to rank some of these listed prospects in terms of my slight preference today, it probably looks something like this:

Cedric Coward
Carter Bryant
Jase Richardson
Rasheer Fleming
Ben Saraf
Adou Thiero
Kasparas Jakucionis
Walter Clayton Jr

But most are in a similar tier for me right now. It's basically factual that more of these players will amount to little in the NBA than will be longtime starters. I'm not lessening those odds with positional bias.
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Post#1098 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:14 pm

greg4012 wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:2 way wings in this league are always at a premium. What do we really have at wing right now? Jaquez, Larrson? Jaquez sucks at shooting 3’s and Larrson is currently undersized at 6’5 215 who should be playing mostly the two but his shot isn’t that consistent either. We need wings that are 6’7 with good length who can shoot. We really don’t have that. We are still stuck running out undersized one trick ponies like 6’5 Jagsmith. I agree with you though i’m all for drafting a PG but i’m ok if one of the big bodied wings with length who can shoot. We can find a vet Center for the minimum to complement the current group.


Id agree with you if this was a top 10 or lottery pick. Its 20. The same range Jaime and Jovic, and tbh in a redraft Id take Larrson in the 20s too. Any wing or forward in this range is probably in the same tier potential wise as who we got. All the wings people are hyping in this range all have some major flaws, that's why they aren't lottery picks. Fleming for example probably has no creation at the next level and isn’t really that great of a perimeter defender. I personally see him like maybe a smaller Ibaka than some prototyical 3&D wing. Cedric Coward looks like a good 3&D wing on paper, but also lacks creation and Im super wary of his limited games this year. Wiseman tricked us all like that.


Every prospect in this range has major flaws.

Every player outside of the top 2 has major flaws.

Jaime is not currently a reason to draft with positional bias rather than aim to extract the most impactful talent possible out of this slot. Neither is Pelle (whom is more guard than he is wing). If I had to rank some of these listed prospects in terms of my slight preference today, it probably looks something like this:

Cedric Coward
Carter Bryant
Jase Richardson
Rasheer Fleming
Ben Saraf
Adou Thiero
Kasparas Jakucionis
Walter Clayton Jr

But most are in a similar tier for me right now. It's basically factual that more of these players will amount to little in the NBA than will be longtime starters. I'm not lessening those odds with positional bias.


What I'm saying is that all the wings that can be got at this range probably aren't gonna be much better than Jaime. This is the 20th pick, come on. Most players drafted here are lucky to even be rotation players. Remember Sekou Doumbouya? He was one of the Heat fans darlings back in Tyler's draft. Taken at 15th and out of the league by age 24. None of the players at this range have the talent upside advantage to ignore fit. That entire list of players could be put of the league by 28 if they aren't in the right situation.
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Post#1099 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:33 pm

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Id agree with you if this was a top 10 or lottery pick. Its 20. The same range Jaime and Jovic, and tbh in a redraft Id take Larrson in the 20s too. Any wing or forward in this range is probably in the same tier potential wise as who we got. All the wings people are hyping in this range all have some major flaws, that's why they aren't lottery picks. Fleming for example probably has no creation at the next level and isn’t really that great of a perimeter defender. I personally see him like maybe a smaller Ibaka than some prototyical 3&D wing. Cedric Coward looks like a good 3&D wing on paper, but also lacks creation and Im super wary of his limited games this year. Wiseman tricked us all like that.


Every prospect in this range has major flaws.

Every player outside of the top 2 has major flaws.

Jaime is not currently a reason to draft with positional bias rather than aim to extract the most impactful talent possible out of this slot. Neither is Pelle (whom is more guard than he is wing). If I had to rank some of these listed prospects in terms of my slight preference today, it probably looks something like this:

Cedric Coward
Carter Bryant
Jase Richardson
Rasheer Fleming
Ben Saraf
Adou Thiero
Kasparas Jakucionis
Walter Clayton Jr

But most are in a similar tier for me right now. It's basically factual that more of these players will amount to little in the NBA than will be longtime starters. I'm not lessening those odds with positional bias.


What I'm saying is that all the wings that can be got at this range probably aren't gonna be much better than Jaime. This is the 20th pick, come on. Most players drafted here are lucky to even be rotation players. Remember Sekou Doumbouya? He was one of the Heat fans darlings back in Tyler's draft. Taken at 15th and out of the league by age 24. None of the players at this range have the talent upside advantage to ignore fit. That entire list of players could be put of the league by 28 if they aren't in the right situation.


I agree with your last sentence. That includes each of the guards and any bigs on the radar. Any you like more than this group?
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Post#1100 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:02 pm

greg4012 wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Every prospect in this range has major flaws.

Every player outside of the top 2 has major flaws.

Jaime is not currently a reason to draft with positional bias rather than aim to extract the most impactful talent possible out of this slot. Neither is Pelle (whom is more guard than he is wing). If I had to rank some of these listed prospects in terms of my slight preference today, it probably looks something like this:

Cedric Coward
Carter Bryant
Jase Richardson
Rasheer Fleming
Ben Saraf
Adou Thiero
Kasparas Jakucionis
Walter Clayton Jr

But most are in a similar tier for me right now. It's basically factual that more of these players will amount to little in the NBA than will be longtime starters. I'm not lessening those odds with positional bias.


What I'm saying is that all the wings that can be got at this range probably aren't gonna be much better than Jaime. This is the 20th pick, come on. Most players drafted here are lucky to even be rotation players. Remember Sekou Doumbouya? He was one of the Heat fans darlings back in Tyler's draft. Taken at 15th and out of the league by age 24. None of the players at this range have the talent upside advantage to ignore fit. That entire list of players could be put of the league by 28 if they aren't in the right situation.


I agree with your last sentence. That includes each of the guards and any bigs on the radar. Any you like more than this group?


That group covers most of who I really like that stayed in the draft. Besides them I also like centers like Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, and Hasen Yang. Saraf, and Walter Clayton are my two top guys I think we can get at 20. I like Richardson, but I just don't know how'd he even work here. He's that undersized SG archetype I want the Heat to go away from. But I wouldn't be suprised if they took him if he fell to 20 for that reason lol. I don't think Jakucionis will be there. Hes real good though. Fleming are and Coward will definitely be useful, but seem like treadmill picks to me. They don't address our biggest issues on offense and don't project as guys that will help much at the point of attack. They might just fill roles we have Jaime, Jovic, and Highsmith better. That doesnt make me think we'd be that much better in the future tho.

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