The Jeremiah Fears Thread

[Braggins]

I liked Fears all year. I think he is a better shooter than his 3pt% would indicate. He has some warts he'll need to iron out and he might be a bit risky, but the talent is there and he has some of the better upside after Flagg/Harper.

[Bassman]

The several scouting reports and video breakdowns on Fears indicate several weaker areas of his game that, to me, would keep his value closer to the 7-10 pick range. On the other hand, at least one report claimed that Fears was exhibiting some amazing demos and workouts. This report said he clearly was working on improving his lesser skill and physical traits.

The value of PG’s in this league is high. If Fears can raise his bar there could be a surprise team or two trying to snatch him.

Also, what if Dylan Harper doesn’t impress as much as predicted during his workouts? I mean, we and every mock draft all talk about his clear #2 pick status, but he isn’t as near a perfect prospect as Flagg seems to be. His 3 point percentage is 33%, just OK. Assists averaged 4 per game with 2.4 turnovers, not ideal. He has good size and length, but he’s not ultra quick nor a big leaper. Now I’d still take him at 2, and if he falls by some miracle to 4, COME TO PAPA AND WELCOME TO THE HORNETS! My point is Fears could excite some teams on his high potential enough to generate a leap frog choice, or trade, to get him. It happens every year with some prospect or two.

[Liver_Pooty]

The several scouting reports and video breakdowns on Fears indicate several weaker areas of his game that, to me, would keep his value closer to the 7-10 pick range. On the other hand, at least one report claimed that Fears was exhibiting some amazing demos and workouts. This report said he clearly was working on improving his lesser skill and physical traits.

The value of PG’s in this league is high. If Fears can raise his bar there could be a surprise team or two trying to snatch him.

Also, what if Dylan Harper doesn’t impress as much as predicted during his workouts? I mean, we and every mock draft all talk about his clear #2 pick status, but he isn’t as near a perfect prospect as Flagg seems to be. His 3 point percentage is 33%, just OK. Assists averaged 4 per game with 2.4 turnovers, not ideal. He has good size and length, but he’s not ultra quick nor a big leaper. Now I’d still take him at 2, and if he falls by some miracle to 4, COME TO PAPA AND WELCOME TO THE HORNETS! My point is Fears could excite some teams on his high potential enough to generate a leap frog choice, or trade, to get him. It happens every year with some prospect or two.

From what I have been reading, and some even posted Harper is slipping slightly. I still think he goes 2 to someone but who knows.

[fatlever]

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Nata definitely not a fan of fears this high

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[Bassman]

I wouldn’t take him that high, or at our 4th pick. He has enough size for a guard but he struggles in a lot of ways to dictate the game at a college level. He’s very shifty but not really quick, super fast or a high rise leaper. With better players around him and some years of experience? Sure, it’s possible he grows and gets better, but at the upper end of the lottery I want some dominator skills already in the cake.

[Diop]

yeah Fears could surprise me and use his shiftiness to become a good/great point guard, he has the talent but it would mean reinventing his game. Which is fine and very possible, but I'm not taking that risk sorry.

[JMAC3]

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We are prone to just overthink things in the NBA Draft. You can take someone like Carter Bryant, who the community seems very high on because he shot 37.1% and has good defensive analytics, but is a full year older than Fears.

Bryant 19.3 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1 apg on 46/37/69.5% shooting.
Fears 30.2 mpg 17.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg on 43/28.4/85% shooting.

Fears 5.4/6.3 fta per game - age 18.7
Bryant 1.1/1.6 fta per game- age 19.6

Fears top 7 games
31 pts, 4 reb, 5 assists, 1 steal, 0 block
30 pts, 3 reb, 4 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
29 pts, 6 reb, 2 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
28 pts, 4 reb, 5 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
27 pts, 5 reb, 10 asisst, 1 steal, 1 block
26 pts, 5, reb, 5 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
16 pts, 9 reb, 8 assist, 2 steal, 0 block

Bryant top 7 games
14 pts, 4 reb, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block
14 pts, 3 reb, 0 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
12 pts, 4 reb, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 blocks
12 pts, 5 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks
10 pts, 2 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 1 block
8 pts, 10 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals, 3 blocks
8 pts, 11 reb, 1 assist, 0 steals, 2 blocks

So yeah none of the production gets talked about, but let's just focus on only Carter Bryant shot 37% from three and Fears shot 28% from three.

[fatlever]

I hear what you're saying but comparing fears to Bryant is apples to oranges. They are completely different players that will fill completely different roles for their teams. Not every team will draft for highest upside.

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[JMAC3]

I hear what you're saying but comparing fears to Bryant is apples to oranges. They are completely different players that will fill completely different roles for their teams. Not every team will draft for highest upside.

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Right, but we are drafting Carter Bryant as a projection assuming that he improves and becomes more productive. As a rookie if Carter Bryant has a few 20 point games people will be hyped even if he sees a dip in efficiency, but when Fears does it ahead of schedule as an 18 yr old he is labeled inefficient, it makes little sense to me.

To me it is the same issue with Ace, if all Ace did was shoot open threes and defend like he did this year people would be ecstatic over his potential. The fact that he is further along in his development as a scorer and trying things we quickly label him a losing player... however if Carter Bryant starts to shoot midrange jumpers off the dribble next year people will be freaking out over his development-- you know the thing we all hate about Ace.

Overall people obsess over 3pt% more than anything, regardless of the film, shot difficulty, shot volume... if a guy shoots 38% on 1 three attempt a game we will take it run as this awesome stat.

[NataFresh]

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We are prone to just overthink things in the NBA Draft. You can take someone like Carter Bryant, who the community seems very high on because he shot 37.1% and has good defensive analytics, but is a full year older than Fears.

Bryant 19.3 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1 apg on 46/37/69.5% shooting.
Fears 30.2 mpg 17.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg on 43/28.4/85% shooting.

Fears 5.4/6.3 fta per game - age 18.7
Bryant 1.1/1.6 fta per game- age 19.6

Fears top 7 games
31 pts, 4 reb, 5 assists, 1 steal, 0 block
30 pts, 3 reb, 4 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
29 pts, 6 reb, 2 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
28 pts, 4 reb, 5 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
27 pts, 5 reb, 10 asisst, 1 steal, 1 block
26 pts, 5, reb, 5 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
16 pts, 9 reb, 8 assist, 2 steal, 0 block

Bryant top 7 games
14 pts, 4 reb, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block
14 pts, 3 reb, 0 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
12 pts, 4 reb, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 blocks
12 pts, 5 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks
10 pts, 2 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 1 block
8 pts, 10 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals, 3 blocks
8 pts, 11 reb, 1 assist, 0 steals, 2 blocks

So yeah none of the production gets talked about, but let's just focus on only Carter Bryant shot 37% from three and Fears shot 28% from three.

Okay, so yeah...not high on Carter Bryant either. On LOH, I compared him to Josh Green.

My problem with Fears is for a USG% in the 30's, he was WILDLY inefficient. Sure the high's in the non-con were high, but the lows were equally as low. And it's not like Fears was in a situation similar to Tre Johnson where coaching AND the cast were the problem.

[JMAC3]

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We are prone to just overthink things in the NBA Draft. You can take someone like Carter Bryant, who the community seems very high on because he shot 37.1% and has good defensive analytics, but is a full year older than Fears.

Bryant 19.3 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1 apg on 46/37/69.5% shooting.
Fears 30.2 mpg 17.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg on 43/28.4/85% shooting.

Fears 5.4/6.3 fta per game - age 18.7
Bryant 1.1/1.6 fta per game- age 19.6

Fears top 7 games
31 pts, 4 reb, 5 assists, 1 steal, 0 block
30 pts, 3 reb, 4 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
29 pts, 6 reb, 2 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
28 pts, 4 reb, 5 assist, 3 steal, 0 block
27 pts, 5 reb, 10 asisst, 1 steal, 1 block
26 pts, 5, reb, 5 assist, 1 steal, 0 block
16 pts, 9 reb, 8 assist, 2 steal, 0 block

Bryant top 7 games
14 pts, 4 reb, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block
14 pts, 3 reb, 0 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
12 pts, 4 reb, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 blocks
12 pts, 5 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks
10 pts, 2 reb, 0 assist, 1 steal, 1 block
8 pts, 10 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals, 3 blocks
8 pts, 11 reb, 1 assist, 0 steals, 2 blocks

So yeah none of the production gets talked about, but let's just focus on only Carter Bryant shot 37% from three and Fears shot 28% from three.

Okay, so yeah...not high on Carter Bryant either. On LOH, I compared him to Josh Green.

My problem with Fears is for a USG% in the 30's, he was WILDLY inefficient. Sure the high's in the non-con were high, but the lows were equally as low. And it's not like Fears was in a situation similar to Tre Johnson where coaching AND the cast were the problem.

Fears was awesome to end the season when it mattered the most. Oklahoma was a bubble team, the last 5 games of the year. Won the final 2 regular season games, then he was awesome in the Big12 tourney in 2 games and had a strong game in the NCAA tourney debut.

31 pts, 13 pts, 29 pts, 28 pts and 20 pts over his final 5. That is elite.

The lows were low, as a guy that declared early and carried a very mediocre roster to the tourney out of the toughest conference in the country. I am not going to make a million excuses, he had 10 games this year where he was pretty bad but the highs outweigh the bad for me with him.

[Bassman]

NataFresh: My problem with Fears is for a USG% in the 30's, he was WILDLY inefficient. Sure the high's in the non-con were high, but the lows were equally as low. And it's not like Fears was in a situation similar to Tre Johnson where coaching AND the cast were the problem.

Exactly, agreed. To evaluate a pick, even someone with evident gifts, you still have to use their college production and results to project how far they COULD rise at the next level. Fears is a talent for sure, but still valued in the 7 to 10 range IMO.

[MasterIchiro]

Fears has made the biggest leap from HS to college.

His company atop this draft class all started as premiere HS recruits. He was a nobody who carried a team to the NCAA Tournament.

He finished strong as mentioned.

So scouts have him on a trajectory where he is leveling up faster than his peers, demonstrating adjustments in his recent improved play. The upside is that the highs increase in frequency and the lows decrease in frequency with greater experience, given proof he's capable of improving drastically over a short period of time.

There's a reason so many scouts see starpower in addition to watching film of him. His improvement over baseline shows an upward trend.

[MasterIchiro]

Prospects can trend like playoff contenders.

On paper the Cavs and Celtics were the top teams in the East all season.

But the Pacers and Thunder hold the best record since January. They've been on a trajectory to advance deep in the playoffs since mid-season.

Nobody gets stuck thinking about the Pacers play during the first half of the regular season when they looked pedestrian.

[MasterIchiro]

Imagine if we had listened to some very vocal fans and traded Kemba. That is basically the equivalent of passing on Jeremiah Fears. I hope Kemba loves him. He's a great first assignment for Kemba as player development.

[yosemiteben]

Imagine if we had listened to some very vocal fans and traded Kemba.

We did trade him?

[Bassman]

If the Hornets do make a decision to trade back to 6th, 7th or even 8th, I could see Fears being one of their targets (along with Knipple and perhaps Maluach). Perhaps the workouts are bringing some surprising surges, even within a deep draft. Apart from the top 2, there are a number of players that can vie for the next 3 to 5 slots, who are in many ways equal in potential, yet varied in their skills and weaknesses.

[Diop]

Imagine if we had listened to some very vocal fans and traded Kemba.

We did trade him?

it was a sign and trade, so sorta, they never intended to resign him so i agree with the vocal fans they should have traded him earlier and gotten a better return. (although i didnt hate Rozier here)

a part of me wanted Kemba traded earlier as i think his peak is over looked because he was playing in Charlotte. he had stretches where he was straight out unstoppable.

[MasterIchiro]

Imagine if we had listened to some very vocal fans and traded Kemba.

We did trade him?

Not taking your bait. Have a good day.

[Snidely FC]

Sometimes you just have to watch the games.

I watched most of the Tournament games this year and Fears was the one player who made me sit up and say WOW

He could get anywhere he wanted on the court with the ball. His play leapt off the screen. It was impressive.

I just don't think Hornets are interested because Lamelo