Bears 12.0

[Dresden]

From what I've read, Caleb wasn't even better than Case Keenum in practice

That is concerning. I hope they have an open competition for QB- let the best man win between Caleb, Bagent and Kase. Of course I hope it's Caleb, but if he can't get with it, then put in someone who can and let him learn on the bench until he's ready.

You need to let this go man.

Let's see how Caleb plays out the season before doing a competition for starting QB.

I mean, if it's close, then sure, give Caleb the benefit of the doubt and let him start. But if the offense is significantly better run with someone else at QB, I'd go with whoever that is, regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. This team has too much talent to waste another year on a QB that can't perform.

[Jimako10]

Wow Detroits top 3 O-line just took major hit with Frank Ragnow retiring. That came out of nowhere but its apparently about health and not the contract situation.

[fleet]

Wow Detroits top 3 O-line just took major hit with Frank Ragnow retiring. That came out of nowhere but its apparently about health and not the contract situation.

I wonder if it’s final final. Like the Lions called his bluff, and he said OK, let’s go MFs

[Dresden]

Montez Sweat on new DC Dennis Allen:

"He is a very complex individual. He has a lot of fronts and schemes and things that he can attack the offense with. He’s a great guy. Smart," Sweat said, before going into more detail about why he feels Allen can be best described as complex. "Well, I'm saying that I’m trying to learn a new defense right now. So, it presents its challenges, different friends, different blitzes, different, different coverages and things like that. It’s just more than I have had to learn in the past. He’s definitely a little bit more complex than other DCs I have worked with in the past."

[NecessaryEvil]

That is concerning. I hope they have an open competition for QB- let the best man win between Caleb, Bagent and Kase. Of course I hope it's Caleb, but if he can't get with it, then put in someone who can and let him learn on the bench until he's ready.

You need to let this go man.

Let's see how Caleb plays out the season before doing a competition for starting QB.

I mean, if it's close, then sure, give Caleb the benefit of the doubt and let him start. But if the offense is significantly better run with someone else at QB, I'd go with whoever that is, regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. This team has too much talent to waste another year on a QB that can't perform.

What in the hell lol

[jnrjr79]

Wow Detroits top 3 O-line just took major hit with Frank Ragnow retiring. That came out of nowhere but its apparently about health and not the contract situation.

I wonder if it’s final final. Like the Lions called his bluff, and he said OK, let’s go MFs

I dunno. He did a long Instagram post talking about how his body is just not holding up and he needs to retire now to focus on the rest of his life/family. Sure didn't sound like a contract thing. I suppose it could be a deal where you take a year off and start feeling good and maybe come back later.

[Dresden]

You need to let this go man.

Let's see how Caleb plays out the season before doing a competition for starting QB.

I mean, if it's close, then sure, give Caleb the benefit of the doubt and let him start. But if the offense is significantly better run with someone else at QB, I'd go with whoever that is, regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. This team has too much talent to waste another year on a QB that can't perform.

What in the hell lol

Why should they play someone at the most important position who is worse than someone else they have on the team?

[fleet]

As a member of the Bagency, not too happy about the way this is unfolding. The decision they make on how many quarterbacks to carry is very interesting. Hardly nobody carries 3 anymore. And they won’t dress 3. And it seems like Keenam is destined to be Caleb’s backup/sidelines guru. And they can’t stash Bagent on the practice squad. It’s not out of the question that Bagent gets traded if they need a roster spot.

[TheJordanRule]

As a member of the Bagency, not too happy about the way this is unfolding. The decision they make on how many quarterbacks to carry is very interesting. Hardly nobody carries 3 anymore. And they won’t dress 3. And it seems like Keenam is destined to be Caleb’s backup/sidelines guru. And they can’t stash Bagent on the practice squad. It’s not out of the question that Bagent gets traded if they need a roster spot.

Tyson has been sharp in some starts. He shows you enough flashes, to make you know that something's raw and worthy of development there.

[_txchilibowl_]

I mean, if it's close, then sure, give Caleb the benefit of the doubt and let him start. But if the offense is significantly better run with someone else at QB, I'd go with whoever that is, regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. This team has too much talent to waste another year on a QB that can't perform.

What in the hell lol

Why should they play someone at the most important position who is worse than someone else they have on the team?

Because one is the #1 pick in the draft, franchise QB talent and the other is........Case Keenum.

You have to let Caleb grow in to the position and that's not happening from the bench.

[dice]

What in the hell lol

Why should they play someone at the most important position who is worse than someone else they have on the team?

Because one is the #1 pick in the draft, franchise QB talent and the other is........Case Keenum.

You have to let Caleb grow in to the position and that's not happening from the bench.

it'd be another story if the bears were contenders. they're not. this isn't orton vs. grossman

[Dresden]

What in the hell lol

Why should they play someone at the most important position who is worse than someone else they have on the team?

Because one is the #1 pick in the draft, franchise QB talent and the other is........Case Keenum.

You have to let Caleb grow in to the position and that's not happening from the bench.

What if it's Tyson Bagent that looks clearly more able to run the offense?

[dougthonus]

What in the hell lol

Why should they play someone at the most important position who is worse than someone else they have on the team?

Because one is the #1 pick in the draft, franchise QB talent and the other is........Case Keenum.

You have to let Caleb grow in to the position and that's not happening from the bench.

If Caleb can't beat out Case Keenum and Tyson Bagent, then does it matter that he was the #1 pick in the draft?

It feels awfully contradictory to me to think that this guy can be a meaningful NFL player and at the same time you are also too scared to let him compete against another young QB that's never played meaningful time in the NFL, and a career backup QB that's way past his prime and near retirement.

If Bagent is the next Brock Purdy and Caleb is just Trey Lance then you are sure as hell better off finding that out then letting Bagent go and keeping Caleb around because you drafted him high. I'm not saying that is the case, but no one should be scared about letting these guys really compete.

Caleb should kick everyone's butt in this competition.

[panthermark]

I thought Agent Bagent should have played at least twice last year when the games had gone off the rails and it was still possible to save the season "if" Bagent could have showed something, especially during the Cardinals game.

On the flip side, arm strength is still an issue.
https://www.chicitysports.com/tyson-bagent-arm-strength-issue-chicago-bears

[CBS7]

I don't live in Chicago, so I don't know if you guys have any insight that I don't, but the Bagent talk is sheer lunacy to me. I'm glad we have him as a young, maybe capable backup, but that's all he is.

Caleb has the keys. His ceiling is several times higher than Bagent. If Caleb isn't it, we tear the whole thing down, not talk about Bagent potentially saving the season last year lol.

[nomorezorro]

don't worry: i live in chicago and can confirm this line of conversation is deranged

[Dresden]

I don't live in Chicago, so I don't know if you have any insight that I don't, but the Bagent talk is sheer lunacy to me. I'm glad we have him as a young, maybe capable backup, but that's all he is.

Caleb has the keys. His ceiling is several times higher than Bagent. If Caleb isn't it, we tear the whole thing down, not talk about Bagent potentially saving the season last year lol.

Why would you tear the whole team down if all you need is a QB? Poles has done a reasonably good job at building up talent across the roster. We should be competitive even with an average Qb. If Caleb is not the guy, then we are in a heap of trouble, but it's not the end of the world. Look at what Tampa has done with Baker, or what Geno Smith did with Seattle, or what Darnold did in MN.

[Dresden]

don't worry: i live in chicago and can confirm this line of conversation is deranged

I don't want to go through another 5 win, 60 sack season again. I agree with the other poster- would have liked to see Bagent play a bit more last year, just to see.

[TheJordanRule]

I don't live in Chicago, so I don't know if you have any insight that I don't, but the Bagent talk is sheer lunacy to me. I'm glad we have him as a young, maybe capable backup, but that's all he is.

Caleb has the keys. His ceiling is several times higher than Bagent. If Caleb isn't it, we tear the whole thing down, not talk about Bagent potentially saving the season last year lol.

I don't think any of us are clamoring for Bagent over CW. CW IS KOBE! What we're saying is, 1. Bagent is a talent in his own right. 2. The Bears need to play the QB who is going to win us the most games this year (and I believe that dude is CW... but if the wheels fall off, I don't think CW is The Guy regardless of all circumstances... CW hasn't shown us enough to be That Dude... at least not yet). I don't want the team to let go of Bagent. If we have to go 3 deep at QB, so be it!

[fleet]

I don't live in Chicago, so I don't know if you guys have any insight that I don't, but the Bagent talk is sheer lunacy to me. I'm glad we have him as a young, maybe capable backup, but that's all he is.

Caleb has the keys. His ceiling is several times higher than Bagent. If Caleb isn't it, we tear the whole thing down, not talk about Bagent potentially saving the season last year lol.

Maybe he is a backup. Maybe he isn’t. Nobody can make definitive statements either way. He has undetermined upside. The truth is that a ton of guys get drafted high as “starters”, and they aren’t more than backups. Bagent has game in between the ears, and sometimes that’s the biggest thing that stops more pedigreed quarterbacks from getting all they can out of their body. IMO he has indicated that he can lead a team. That’s a big one that’s not even universal to “starters”