Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13

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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#61 » by SkyHook » Mon Jun 2, 2025 10:56 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:If the Jazz give Walker Kessler 5/$175 they will need to fire both Ainge's immediately. Well and sell the team since the governor will have signd off on that. Just no chance he is worth anything close to that nor that they have already a handshake deal in place for that amount.


Let's go through the Kessler contract.

He's about as good as Nic Claxton. Claxton got 4/97. Hartenstein is better and got 2/58.5, but Hartenstein was also kind of unproven as a full time starter. It's also one year later the cap is higher. So, 25m a year is about right for Kessler at this current level.

Now, we have to consider the bump from being a young player. Young players often get better so teams are usually willing to give a premium to players that are still young vs. established vets. So that 25m goes to 30m now.

Now, we have to consider the bump from being willing to throw games instead of being traded to the Lakers without complaining. The Jazz refused to trade Kessler to the Lakers and then sat him for 8 games after the lack of a Lakers trade with "trying to intentionally lose." Kessler's career is badly harmed by all of this and he needs a premium to keep him quiet and happy. We're probably now up to 35m.

Give him 5 years and that's 5/175.

Is this a good idea? No. But the Jazz gave Markkanen a large premium also to bribe him to throw games which was a catastrophe, but not something they've learned from.


That's a ton of conjecture to move Kessler's contract up $10MM/year. Plus there's the new economics of the league to consider; I don't think that teams and players have fully grasped the effects yet. I still think that, if he and the Jazz can agree on a deal, his salary will start at around 15% of the cap ($23MM +/-); maybe a 4yr x $100-120MM. If his demands are well beyond that, I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go to restricted free agency in a year.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#62 » by Tim Lehrbach » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:12 pm

I do not like this for Utah, but it's less about how I view Kessler and more how I view this draft. I think I would rather have the future draft asset being surrendered here than #13, let alone throwing Kessler into the deal.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#63 » by kds92 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:13 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:I would pass on this. But more importantly I think Ainge would easily pass on this.

Agree, but would baby Ainge pass on this?
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#64 » by SkyHook » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:19 pm

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Daddy 801 wrote:I would pass on this. But more importantly I think Ainge would easily pass on this.

Agree, but would baby Ainge pass on this?


Any sane GM would. No idea if Austin meets that criteria yet.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#65 » by K_chile22 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:18 am

How much would need to be added to turn him into Reaves? Thinking something up with him to LA, 10 to Utah, Reaves to Houston as the bones
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#66 » by doogie_hauser » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:56 am

K_chile22 wrote:How much would need to be added to turn him into Reaves? Thinking something up with him to LA, 10 to Utah, Reaves to Houston as the bones


Lakers management vastly overrated Reaves and ain't moving him on for anything less than as part of a package for a legit superstar.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#67 » by Threezus » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:15 am

Yeah im pretty sure i pull the trigger on this i've had my eye on Kessler for the Hawks for a minute now. If we can't get a superstar center to pair with trae then i want a massive elite defensive guy to pair with him and Walker is for sure that.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#68 » by babyjax13 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:18 am

Threezus wrote:Yeah im pretty sure i pull the trigger on this i've had my eye on Kessler for the Hawks for a minute now. If we can't get a superstar center to pair with trae then i want a massive elite defensive guy to pair with him and Walker is for sure that.

Would you do Kessler for 13 straight across? Trying to get a read on value.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#69 » by Mavrelous » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:27 am

K_chile22 wrote:How much would need to be added to turn him into Reaves? Thinking something up with him to LA, 10 to Utah, Reaves to Houston as the bones


If ( Rockets want to dump Green ) {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 + Green --> Utah
Reaves and Vando --> Rockets
} else {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 (signed and contract used for matching) + filler from Rockets + Vando --> Utah
Reaves --> Rockets
}
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#70 » by Threezus » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:13 am

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Threezus wrote:Yeah im pretty sure i pull the trigger on this i've had my eye on Kessler for the Hawks for a minute now. If we can't get a superstar center to pair with trae then i want a massive elite defensive guy to pair with him and Walker is for sure that.

Would you do Kessler for 13 straight across? Trying to get a read on value.


For me it depends on what was there at 13 or if we could combine the 2 picks and trade up into the top 8 to 10 for a better prospect. The fact that we would have to pay Kessler a good bit after giving up 13 gives me a bit of a pause to do it straight up over taking a prospect that might have higher upside in a very good draft.

Us getting the future pick back was me more so taking the swap of future cap space like a rookie would be for us instead of it being completely gone with kesslers new contract right away.
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#71 » by K_chile22 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:11 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:How much would need to be added to turn him into Reaves? Thinking something up with him to LA, 10 to Utah, Reaves to Houston as the bones


If ( Rockets want to dump Green ) {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 + Green --> Utah
Reaves and Vando --> Rockets
} else {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 (signed and contract used for matching) + filler from Rockets + Vando --> Utah
Reaves --> Rockets
}

I would prefer green be included if another guard is going back but if they can make it work without him the team would probably prefer that
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#72 » by SkyHook » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:45 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:How much would need to be added to turn him into Reaves? Thinking something up with him to LA, 10 to Utah, Reaves to Houston as the bones


If ( Rockets want to dump Green ) {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 + Green --> Utah
Reaves and Vando --> Rockets
} else {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 (signed and contract used for matching) + filler from Rockets + Vando --> Utah
Reaves --> Rockets
}

I would prefer green be included if another guard is going back but if they can make it work without him the team would probably prefer that


I'd rather cut Utah out here. Reaves + Rui for Green + 10?
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#73 » by Mavrelous » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:47 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
If ( Rockets want to dump Green ) {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 + Green --> Utah
Reaves and Vando --> Rockets
} else {
Sexton and Walker Kessler --> LA
10 (signed and contract used for matching) + filler from Rockets + Vando --> Utah
Reaves --> Rockets
}

I would prefer green be included if another guard is going back but if they can make it work without him the team would probably prefer that


I'd rather cut Utah out here. Reaves + Rui for Green + 10?


Original trade is Walker Kessler for 13, this is variation on Walker Kessler for 10, which is better than 13...
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Re: Walker Kessler + future 1st for 13 

Post#74 » by SkyHook » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:56 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:I would prefer green be included if another guard is going back but if they can make it work without him the team would probably prefer that


I'd rather cut Utah out here. Reaves + Rui for Green + 10?


Original trade is Walker Kessler for 13, this is variation on Walker Kessler for 10, which is better than 13...


Yes, I'm not crazy about either version.
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