NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

With Coby, what are you realistically expecting his next contract to be? Certainly not under $30 mill. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent and could have a great season. We need to stop thinking if we re-sign him, it will be at the lowest offer he can get. He can (and probably will) go to the highest offer. If you're not prepared to pay $40-$50 mill, you're gambling that NO team with cap space next summer will offer him $40 mill, or $35, or more than we're willing to.

Without an extension, HE"S NOT OUR PLAYER ANYMORE past next season. So how many people are willing to ride with Coby if his maximum contract offer is $40 mill next summer and the Bulls match it? Good move? And please don't say he couldn't possibly get $40+ mill with a great season, would have to point out 30 similar overpays in free agency.

[HomoSapien]

With Coby, what are you realistically expecting his next contract to be? Certainly not under $30 mill. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent and could have a great season. We need to stop thinking if we re-sign him, it will be at the lowest offer he can get. He can (and probably will) go to the highest offer. If you're not prepared to pay $40-$50 mill, you're gambling that NO team with cap space next summer will offer him $40 mill, or $35, or more than we're willing to.

Without an extension, HE"S NOT OUR PLAYER ANYMORE past next season. So how many people are willing to ride with Coby if his maximum contract offer is $40 mill next summer and the Bulls match it? Good move? And please don't say he couldn't possibly get $40+ mill with a great season, would have to point out 30 similar overpays in free agency.

Teams are getting more savvy about dishing out these wild contracts, especially as they're starting to feel the effects of the apron rules. I think there's a strategic way to answer your questions. Who will have capspace, who do those teams currently have at Coby's spot/role, and who are the other unrestricted free-agents? Depending on those answers, it'll give us a better idea of what we may have to offer Coby to keep him.

I have mixed feelings on him. For most of his career, he's been unspectacular and someone who feels replaceable. Still, he's gradually improved almost each year of his career and has been able to raise his game to a new gear several times now. At 24, he was named player of the month. I think too many are dismissing him as a piece that could be worth keeping. I don't want to keep him at $40m+, but I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that he can get that on the open market.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I will be shocked if Coby White gets anywhere close to over a $30m contract. He better be a legit all-star this upcoming season for that to happen, lucky to get a little over $25m.

Teams are not going to be throwing around money anymore towards non all star players under the new CBA. If offered, Coby should accept the Bulls max deal which results in a slightly above annual average of $22m.

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[Chi town]

With Coby, what are you realistically expecting his next contract to be? Certainly not under $30 mill. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent and could have a great season. We need to stop thinking if we re-sign him, it will be at the lowest offer he can get. He can (and probably will) go to the highest offer. If you're not prepared to pay $40-$50 mill, you're gambling that NO team with cap space next summer will offer him $40 mill, or $35, or more than we're willing to.

Without an extension, HE"S NOT OUR PLAYER ANYMORE past next season. So how many people are willing to ride with Coby if his maximum contract offer is $40 mill next summer and the Bulls match it? Good move? And please don't say he couldn't possibly get $40+ mill with a great season, would have to point out 30 similar overpays in free agency.

Teams are getting more savvy about dishing out these wild contracts, especially as they're starting to feel the effects of these apron rules. I think there's a strategically way to answer these questions. Who will have capspace, who do those teams currently have at Coby's spot/role, and who are the other unrestricted free-agents. Depending on those answers, it'll give us a better what we may have to offer Coby to keep him.

I have mixed feelings on him. For most of his career he's been unspectacular and someone who feel replaceable. Still, he's gradually improved almost each year of his career and has been able to raise his game to a new gear several times now. At 24, he was named player of the month. I think too many are dismissing him as a piece that could be worth keeping. I don't want to keep him at $40m+, but I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that he can get that on the open market.

This.

Only way Coby gets over 30M is if he has a big breakout. AK will be resigning him unless he gets a big overpay.

[sco]

I will be shocked if Coby White gets anywhere close to over a $30m contract. He better be a legit all-star this upcoming season for that to happen, lucky to get a little over $25m.

Teams are not going to be throwing around money anymore towards non all star players under the new CBA. If offered, Coby should accept the Bulls max deal which results in a slightly above annual average of $22m.

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Good find. Goes back to my "Can have 1 bad defender in your starting line-up, but teams will start exploiting matchups with 2 bad defenders".

[GuardianEnzo]

Why does Washington's name keep coming up? He sucks. Only interest is if he's salary filler in obtaining an asset we actually want.

[Chi town]

Why does Washington's name keep coming up? He sucks. Only interest is if he's salary filler in obtaining an asset we actually want.

Thank you. Agreed

[Chi town]

I will be shocked if Coby White gets anywhere close to over a $30m contract. He better be a legit all-star this upcoming season for that to happen, lucky to get a little over $25m.

Teams are not going to be throwing around money anymore towards non all star players under the new CBA. If offered, Coby should accept the Bulls max deal which results in a slightly above annual average of $22m.

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Good find. Goes back to my "Can have 1 bad defender in your starting line-up, but teams will start exploiting matchups with 2 bad defenders".

So are these numbers pre Lavine trade?

How many of these 3 man units with Vuc the worst defender in the league playing. Stats may be 3 players but the game isn’t played 3 on 3.

We all know Vuc is in those numbers.

[NocioniHomie]

Guys who interest me most based on fit with Giddey and Matas. If this offseason is as crazy as everyone says it's going to be - would be such a waste not to exploit the apron movement.

Trey Murphy - Would be most expensive, but perhaps Dumars shifts on this roster
Jarret Allen - Seems like ideal 5 - interesting to see what cost would be
Santi Aldama - Interesting to see how his market shapes up
Herb Jones - Good contract, good player

Rookie Contracts (eventual payday)
Anthony Black
Mark Williams
Walker Kessler

Houston Surplus - Think this is the team to poach
Jabari Smith
Tari Eason
Reed Shepherd
Cam Whitmore

Can't say what picks/players would be involved - but hard not to like some of these

TreJones/Ayo, Giddey, Murphy, Matas, Jarret Allen
Lonzo, PWill, Terry, Phillips, #12

[2weekswithpay]

The price of a starting caliber guard is around 30M AVV these days. CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray, Herro, Poole, White, Holiday Quickley, Suggs, etc. All are making around 30M AAV. White is probably the only one who's underpaid here. I'm not convinced that the new CBA will keep Coby's price under 30M right now, when a few of these contracts were handed out a year ago.

It's still in our best interest to trade Coby and let someone else worry about paying him.

[MrSparkle]

Negative lineup ratings sure stopped AK from running back the Zach/Vuc/Demar combos for 5 seasons straight…

[WesPeace]

Guys who interest me most based on fit with Giddey and Matas. If this offseason is as crazy as everyone says it's going to be - would be such a waste not to exploit the apron movement.

Trey Murphy - Would be most expensive, but perhaps Dumars shifts on this roster
Jarret Allen - Seems like ideal 5 - interesting to see what cost would be
Santi Aldama - Interesting to see how his market shapes up
Herb Jones - Good contract, good player

Rookie Contracts (eventual payday)
Anthony Black
Mark Williams
Walker Kessler

Houston Surplus - Think this is the team to poach
Jabari Smith
Tari Eason
Reed Shepherd
Cam Whitmore

Can't say what picks/players would be involved - but hard not to like some of these

TreJones/Ayo, Giddey, Murphy, Matas, Jarret Allen
Lonzo, PWill, Terry, Phillips, #12

Smith, 2026 1st round pick and Por pick for Allen

[sco]

Guys who interest me most based on fit with Giddey and Matas. If this offseason is as crazy as everyone says it's going to be - would be such a waste not to exploit the apron movement.

Trey Murphy - Would be most expensive, but perhaps Dumars shifts on this roster
Jarret Allen - Seems like ideal 5 - interesting to see what cost would be
Santi Aldama - Interesting to see how his market shapes up
Herb Jones - Good contract, good player

Rookie Contracts (eventual payday)
Anthony Black
Mark Williams
Walker Kessler

Houston Surplus - Think this is the team to poach
Jabari Smith
Tari Eason
Reed Shepherd
Cam Whitmore

Can't say what picks/players would be involved - but hard not to like some of these

TreJones/Ayo, Giddey, Murphy, Matas, Jarret Allen
Lonzo, PWill, Terry, Phillips, #12

Smith, 2026 1st round pick and Por pick for Allen

I think that's about the right price, but I'd rather give them Vuc if at all possible. IMO, Allen is about as good of fit at C as we're likely to find.

[dpucane]

Smith, 2026 1st round pick and Por pick for Allen

No more picks for guys who don't move the needle!

[RSP83]

if the Grizzlies is hitting the reset button and JJJ ever becomes available, that's probably the guy I'm after. He's an expiring contract next year and per sportrac will be UFA in 2026.

I'm sold on the idea that a rim protecting big who can hit 2-3 treys a game at > 37% clip is super valuable and also a rarity. Yes, I'm inspired by the role that Myles Turner play for Indiana. Brook Lopez is a similar player who was a key piece for that championship Bucks team. Both are poor rebounders for their size, but their strengths more than offset their weaknesses.

Guys other than JJJ who provide the same are Mobley and Wemby, and they are untouchable.

I would look for this type of player in the 2nd round of this year's draft. Or just take Khaman Maluach if he's somehow available at #12 which I highly doubt

[MrSparkle]

if the Grizzlies is hitting the reset button and JJJ ever becomes available, that's probably the guy I'm after. He's an expiring contract next year and per sportrac will be UFA in 2026.

I'm sold on the idea that a rim protecting big who can hit 2-3 treys a game at > 37% clip is super valuable and also a rarity. Yes, I'm inspired by the role that Myles Turner play for Indiana. Brook Lopez is a similar player who was a key piece for that championship Bucks team. Both are poor rebounders for their size, but their strengths more than offset their weaknesses.

Guys other than JJJ who provide the same are Mobley and Wemby, and they are untouchable.

I would look for this type of player in the 2nd round of this year's draft. Or just take Khaman Maluach if he's somehow available at #12 which I highly doubt

I also have a hard time finding a better/more-attainable FA than JJJ. He’s a little injury prone and the rebounding is an issue, maybe isn’t a great leader, but I have no problem maxing him at 25yo. The spacing and rim protection would address Bulls’ 2 biggest issues, if Coby is supposed to stick around (Kind of hoping he doesn’t unless it’s sub-$20M salary). Almost don’t even mind keeping Vuc into his retirement at that point, assuming his minutes and next contract are halved.

The only question is whether Memphis maxes him without hesitation, seeks trade bids, or actually waits until he hits unrestricted free agency next year. Think is, JJJ’s next deal will put Memphis way over the cap and they won’t have much flexibility to improve that roster, unless they flirt with luxury, which they’ve traditionally avoided.

[2weekswithpay]

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[nomorezorro]

what do people think we could reasonably get back from the magic for coby? they have a handful of pieces i like (bitadze, mo wagner, da silva...wendell lol, plus the 16/25 picks this year) but i have no real sense of what kind of return is realistic for one year of coby at this point

[sco]

what do people think we could reasonably get back from the magic for coby? they have a handful of pieces i like (bitadze, mo wagner, da silva...wendell lol, plus the 16/25 picks this year) but i have no real sense of what kind of return is realistic for one year of coby at this point

Hard to say, IMO, our best move is part of a draft night deal to move up for a Coby replacement. I'd be looking at least #16, #25 and Bitadze and/or Black. That said, I have zero expectation that AK is looking to trade Coby (but I would). That said, I wouldn't want 3 picks in this draft, but would be looking to combine them to possibly get a scoring guard.

[RSP83]

if the Grizzlies is hitting the reset button and JJJ ever becomes available, that's probably the guy I'm after. He's an expiring contract next year and per sportrac will be UFA in 2026.

I'm sold on the idea that a rim protecting big who can hit 2-3 treys a game at > 37% clip is super valuable and also a rarity. Yes, I'm inspired by the role that Myles Turner play for Indiana. Brook Lopez is a similar player who was a key piece for that championship Bucks team. Both are poor rebounders for their size, but their strengths more than offset their weaknesses.

Guys other than JJJ who provide the same are Mobley and Wemby, and they are untouchable.

I would look for this type of player in the 2nd round of this year's draft. Or just take Khaman Maluach if he's somehow available at #12 which I highly doubt

I also have a hard time finding a better/more-attainable FA than JJJ. He’s a little injury prone and the rebounding is an issue, maybe isn’t a great leader, but I have no problem maxing him at 25yo. The spacing and rim protection would address Bulls’ 2 biggest issues, if Coby is supposed to stick around (Kind of hoping he doesn’t unless it’s sub-$20M salary). Almost don’t even mind keeping Vuc into his retirement at that point, assuming his minutes and next contract are halved.

The only question is whether Memphis maxes him without hesitation, seeks trade bids, or actually waits until he hits unrestricted free agency next year. Think is, JJJ’s next deal will put Memphis way over the cap and they won’t have much flexibility to improve that roster, unless they flirt with luxury, which they’ve traditionally avoided.

Not a rim protector but intriguing possible FA option is Naz Reid. But as much as I like the guy we should NOT pursue him. He's basically a younger Bobby Portis without the crazy. He's going to be asking for high 20s type money, and he can certainly help some teams but definitely not us. He's not elite enough for us to commit our future and significant size of our cap space at this moment.