Cavs/Suns/Rockets

[KdoubleDees23]

Cavs trade Allen
Suns trade KD
Houston trades Brooks, Whitmore, Jabari Smith Jr, Reed Sheppard & #10

Cavs get Sheppard, Jabari Smith Jr. Give Cavs that backup PG/SG with youth and a Big in Jabari Smith Jr who would be a good fit with Mobley
Suns get Brooks, Allen, Whitmore and #10 in exchange for KD. Get their Center, Brooks leadership and #10 to get some depth
Houston gets KD to build with their young team, and hope he can take them over the top in the playoffs.

Thoughts? Adjustments? Horrible Value?

[Texas Chuck]

Houston is overpaying pretty significantly imo.

[LarsV8]

Yea, this isn't close for Houston.

Article just came out today about Phx calling Houston, and Hou wanting a discount price.

This is the opposite.

[jayjaysee]

I think asking for one of Reed or Jabari with 10th would make it a really good deal for Phoenix.

Then asking to get Brooks instead of Green makes it too good a deal..

Getting Houston to part with both good prospects (and throwing Cam in) takes it too far, at least my opinion of KD’s value..

[jbk1234]

The Cavs absolutely need a defensive wing back if they're trading Allen. If they can get one back from a 4th team for Sheppard, okay.

[ReggiesKnicks]

The Cavs absolutely need a defensive wing back if they're trading Allen. If they can get one back from a 4th team for Sheppard, okay.

Jabari Smith Jr is a defensive wing.

[Mamba4Goat]

I’m with the others here. This has Houston overpaying for KD. I agree with Jay about Green over Brooks and only one of Smith/Reed being much closer value.

[jbk1234]

I think asking for one of Reed or Jabari with 10th would make it a really good deal for Phoenix.

Then asking to get Brooks instead of Green makes it too good a deal..

Getting Houston to part with both good prospects (and throwing Cam in) takes it too far, at least my opinion of KD’s value..

I don't see a team with Booker and Beal taking back Green. I'd tell the Rockets to find a third team to take him, or just move on.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs absolutely need a defensive wing back if they're trading Allen. If they can get one back from a 4th team for Sheppard, okay.

Jabari Smith Jr is a defensive wing.

Is he though?

Maybe the answer is to just auction off Sheppard for the best pick he can get even if it's in the 20s or the future.

[LarsV8]

Neither Reed nor Jabari going anywhere.

[bgrep14]

Send the Cavs Whitemore and send Sheppard to PHX. Cavs should also send out Okoro to PHX for Richards if they're taking Allen.

[tcheco]

Hard to gauge the value for KD these days...
Houston pays a little too much definitely needs to drop one of the assets

[jayjaysee]

I think asking for one of Reed or Jabari with 10th would make it a really good deal for Phoenix.

Then asking to get Brooks instead of Green makes it too good a deal..

Getting Houston to part with both good prospects (and throwing Cam in) takes it too far, at least my opinion of KD’s value..

I don't see a team with Booker and Beal taking back Green. I'd tell the Rockets to find a third team to take him, or just move on.

Similar to my idea of RJ ending up in Phoenix yesterday... Yeah, you can build up the deal to be a 5 team team if we want..

But considering Phoenix’s situation, they should take the best asset(s) possible and figure the roster fit after. It’s already a really poor fitting roster that needs to be rebuilt around Booker quickly. Get the best asset and use one of your lesser assets to fix roster after.. if some team is offering more value and better pieces, then Phoenix wouldn’t consider Houston’s deal anyways..

Add (or maybe Phoenix wouldn’t have to add) to Green to turn him into Collins or Gafford/Klay or Kuzma/Connaughton or Miles Bridges or Middleton or… whoever/whatever.

[KdoubleDees23]

Yeah maybe drop one of the outgoing on Houston to make it better.

[tidho]

would do the OP from CLEs perspective. Certainly couldn't be their last move, but i'd take the risk to inject some young talent into the roster.

[jbk1234]

I think asking for one of Reed or Jabari with 10th would make it a really good deal for Phoenix.

Then asking to get Brooks instead of Green makes it too good a deal..

Getting Houston to part with both good prospects (and throwing Cam in) takes it too far, at least my opinion of KD’s value..

I don't see a team with Booker and Beal taking back Green. I'd tell the Rockets to find a third team to take him, or just move on.

Similar to my idea of RJ ending up in Phoenix yesterday... Yeah, you can build up the deal to be a 5 team team if we want..

But considering Phoenix’s situation, they should take the best asset(s) possible and figure the roster fit after. It’s already a really poor fitting roster that needs to be rebuilt around Booker quickly. Get the best asset and use one of your lesser assets to fix roster after.. if some team is offering more value and better pieces, then Phoenix wouldn’t consider Houston’s deal anyways..

Add (or maybe Phoenix wouldn’t have to add) to Green to turn him into Collins or Gafford/Klay or Kuzma/Connaughton or Miles Bridges or Middleton or… whoever/whatever.

I feel like that approach got them to where they are. Trade for Durant and figure out the rest later. Trade for Beal and figure out the rest later. Trade Ayton for Nukic and worry about the rest later.

I don't think they should take back Green and worry about the rest later, unless the later plan involves trading Booker.

[jbk1234]

Send the Cavs Whitemore and send Sheppard to PHX. Cavs should also send out Okoro to PHX for Richards if they're taking Allen.

Whitmore can't defend anyone.

[jayjaysee]

I don't see a team with Booker and Beal taking back Green. I'd tell the Rockets to find a third team to take him, or just move on.

Similar to my idea of RJ ending up in Phoenix yesterday... Yeah, you can build up the deal to be a 5 team team if we want..

But considering Phoenix’s situation, they should take the best asset(s) possible and figure the roster fit after. It’s already a really poor fitting roster that needs to be rebuilt around Booker quickly. Get the best asset and use one of your lesser assets to fix roster after.. if some team is offering more value and better pieces, then Phoenix wouldn’t consider Houston’s deal anyways..

Add (or maybe Phoenix wouldn’t have to add) to Green to turn him into Collins or Gafford/Klay or Kuzma/Connaughton or Miles Bridges or Middleton or… whoever/whatever.

I feel like that approach got them to where they are. Trade for Durant and figure out the rest later. Trade for Beal and figure out the rest later. Trade Ayton for Nukic and worry about the rest later.

I don't think they should take back Green and worry about the rest later, unless the later plan involves trading Booker.

But they didn’t get good value in any of those deals so don’t really understand that comparison. The KD trade was worth the risk sure, but they paid a lot. And even if we say they got good value for Beal/Grayson (I don’t think they did nor do I think they should’ve traded for both) it goes further into the second half of “worry about it later”..

Phoenix never figured out their roster. They kept everyone decent, were stuck with Beal and started bench players? Signing Tyus, trading for Richards and ignoring the shooting guard stack isn’t figuring it out.

Green would be the cost of Phoenix getting the most value, which is why they should take him. They can build it into a 4-5 team and maybe they would. But IMO Houston’s top offer should include Jalen because of their own finances. And Phoenix should take the top offer available and figure out the roster after..

It’s really not hard to think of landing spots for Jalen Green. I wouldn’t call him neutral value, but Phoenix can and would take back negative salary so it shouldn’t cost much.

[jbk1234]

Similar to my idea of RJ ending up in Phoenix yesterday... Yeah, you can build up the deal to be a 5 team team if we want..

But considering Phoenix’s situation, they should take the best asset(s) possible and figure the roster fit after. It’s already a really poor fitting roster that needs to be rebuilt around Booker quickly. Get the best asset and use one of your lesser assets to fix roster after.. if some team is offering more value and better pieces, then Phoenix wouldn’t consider Houston’s deal anyways..

Add (or maybe Phoenix wouldn’t have to add) to Green to turn him into Collins or Gafford/Klay or Kuzma/Connaughton or Miles Bridges or Middleton or… whoever/whatever.

I feel like that approach got them to where they are. Trade for Durant and figure out the rest later. Trade for Beal and figure out the rest later. Trade Ayton for Nukic and worry about the rest later.

I don't think they should take back Green and worry about the rest later, unless the later plan involves trading Booker.

But they didn’t get good value in any of those deals so don’t really understand that comparison. The KD trade was worth the risk sure, but they paid a lot. And even if we say they got good value for Beal/Grayson (I don’t think they did nor do I think they should’ve traded for both) it goes further into the second half of “worry about it later”..

Phoenix never figured out their roster. They kept everyone decent, were stuck with Beal and started bench players? Signing Tyus, trading for Richards and ignoring the shooting guard stack isn’t figuring it out.

Green would be the cost of Phoenix getting the most value, which is why they should take him. They can build it into a 4-5 team and maybe they would. But IMO Houston’s top offer should include Jalen because of their own finances. And Phoenix should take the top offer available and figure out the roster after..

It’s really not hard to think of landing spots for Jalen Green. I wouldn’t call him neutral value, but Phoenix can and would take back negative salary so it shouldn’t cost much.

Let me be clear, I don't think there's another team that will take Green for free. I think this is Nurkic all over again where you're going to have to attach a value to move him. That's why I'd put the responsibility of finding the third team - even if all that came back in exchange for Green was apron relief - on the Rockets. If the best asset is Amen Thompson, sure, but let's be real here, the best asset is likely to be a guy who needs to get paid soon and lost his starting job to Thompson.

[toooskies]

The Cavs absolutely need a defensive wing back if they're trading Allen. If they can get one back from a 4th team for Sheppard, okay.

Jabari Smith Jr is a defensive wing.

Is he though?

Maybe the answer is to just auction off Sheppard for the best pick he can get even if it's in the 20s or the future.

I disagree with the premise that the Cavs "need a defensive wing back". Cleveland already has plenty of reasonably good defensive players at the 2-4: Strus, Hunter, Okoro, Wade, Jaylon Tyson if he develops. And Smith is at least a league-average defender with good tools.

There should be good wing defenders at #10 (Collin Murray-Boyles? Cedric Coward if you're reaching? Thomas Sorber?) but Ryan Dunn might be able to be plucked loose from Phoenix instead.

(If Phoenix and Cleveland are even permitted to deal in spite of owner conflicts.)

If your statement is actually "we need an absolutely elite wing back to make up for Garland/Mitchell", and that player needs to make less than Allen outgoing in the trade, we're looking at a pretty short list. Herb Jones and Alex Caruso is pretty much it? Although I think Jabari and Sheppard for Herb (+ Missi or Alvarado?) might be a workable idea for NO.