Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[89Magicfan]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Dude his whole career is filling in with stop gaps.

Do…something….Different…

[GelbeWand09]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Yea, thats why i dont see CJ's age much of a disadvantage compared to Sexton & Simons. I hope we upgraded in 2 years from them anyway, because both are not particularly good basketball players.

[89Magicfan]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Yea, thats why i dont see CJ's age much of a disadvantage compared to Sexton & Simons. I hope we upgraded in 2 years from them anyway, because both are not particularly good basketball players.

You don’t see his age as a disadvantage as he getting hurt more the last 3-5 years ant 34 and we need consistent offense badly?

Nah, give me Simon’s over CJ.

[GelbeWand09]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Yea, thats why i dont see CJ's age much of a disadvantage compared to Sexton & Simons. I hope we upgraded in 2 years from them anyway, because both are not particularly good basketball players.

You don’t see his age as a disadvantage as he getting hurt more the last 3-5 years ant 34 and we need consistent offense badly?

Nah, give me Simon’s over CJ.

For me all 3 are bad solutions. All have as much negatives as they have positives. When healthy, CJ at least is a much better playmaker than Simons & Sexton.
I want a PG or a Combo guard with high level playmakin and not one of those SG's in a PG body who can only make basic reads and doesnt improve our system (Simons is a at least a offball weapon). I'm gonna heavily disappointed anyway with any of those guys. I would go all in on Reaves or Garland. Reaves can do everything those 2 can do COMBINED on offense and more. Skillwise. He got the driving game of Sexton & the high volume 3's of Simons, but unlike them he gets to the line on a high rate and is a better playmaker.

For me all those one dimensional Combo guards gonna be a flop anyway. CJ at least got the biggest chance to succeed, because he got more skills we lack than those one dimensional guys. For him its ''only'' the age and health concerns, for the others its skill concerns

[Idiosyncratic]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Dude his whole career is filling in with stop gaps.

Do…something….Different…

I mean I agree, but you have to work with who is available. Also cap restraints exist, so that adds another element to it.

I think higher end options like Reaves, Coby White, maybe even Pritchard, Garland, Derrick White or Quickley are interesting as more likely longer term solutions, but will depend on what they can get the extension done at for the first two and none of them may even be available.

Maybe a stopgap plus pick up someone that can grow into being a starter? I wouldn't mind taking shots on guys like Sasser, Keyonte George, Kolek, Brandon Williams, maybe even Podziemski.

Maybe Simons is worth a shot as the longterm answer. I don't think wanting Simons over CJ is a bad take, maybe he can still develop some more, certainly possible. I'm just saying it is reasonable that the FO may not view him as a guy they want to pay for several years. Also on the injury thing, Simons has also been pretty injury prone.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Free Agency

Orlando is indeed shifting its approach, as it sounded like in their postseason pressers, towards making major upgrades. Sources believe they are looking to package around $25 million in salary for various players to give the offense the jump it needs. That sounds right because with Franz and Paolo, any addition making above that likely will demand the ball too much.

You've got a combo of Cole, Gary, KCP, Isaac that would get you to 25M..

[Magic_Johnny12]

There is a real chance this FO (and probably many others) views Sexton and Simons as stopgaps that they really wouldn't want to extend. Best option is getting someone who permanently fixes the position, but if they don't view those guys as fixes then CJ for a year or two is the same type of move regardless of his age. Then you hope you develop someone behind him or when someone you really like becomes available make a big trade.

If someone is available that they deem can be our PG for several years and fit into the cap then acquiring that guy is the best solution, but if everyone available is viewed as stopgaps to them I don't think age really matters here. And judging off who we think is available I don't think that is a crazy evaluation, but understand those who would prefer other options, such as Simons. For me it just all comes down to trade cost and potentially extension cost. I don't really view any of these guys all that differently.

Also don't think that rumor is from a real source.

Yea, thats why i dont see CJ's age much of a disadvantage compared to Sexton & Simons. I hope we upgraded in 2 years from them anyway, because both are not particularly good basketball players.

You don’t see his age as a disadvantage as he getting hurt more the last 3-5 years ant 34 and we need consistent offense badly?

Nah, give me Simon’s over CJ.

Simon’s isn’t a PG, we need to all come to terms with what we want and need.

Simons is a shot creator.

CJ is a primary ball handler.

As much as we need a shot creator, we need a primary ball handler more. The success of Cory Joesph proves that. We need someone who is able to setup the offense without turning it over and is able to make an open 3.

McCollum gives you that and a little more.

Simons unfortunately doesn’t.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Free Agency

Orlando is indeed shifting its approach, as it sounded like in their postseason pressers, towards making major upgrades. Sources believe they are looking to package around $25 million in salary for various players to give the offense the jump it needs. That sounds right because with Franz and Paolo, any addition making above that likely will demand the ball too much.

You've got a combo of Cole, Gary, KCP, Isaac that would get you to 25M..

My exact thoughts when I read this…. Which teams are going to value that though? Isaac and KCP would have some value as very good defenders, but Cole and Harris are not targets for anyone IMO.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Free Agency

Orlando is indeed shifting its approach, as it sounded like in their postseason pressers, towards making major upgrades. Sources believe they are looking to package around $25 million in salary for various players to give the offense the jump it needs. That sounds right because with Franz and Paolo, any addition making above that likely will demand the ball too much.

You've got a combo of Cole, Gary, KCP, Isaac that would get you to 25M..

My exact thoughts when I read this…. Which teams are going to value that though? Isaac and KCP would have some value as very good defenders, but Cole and Harris are not targets for anyone IMO.

Still look at a team like Portland who has the young guards but are defensive turnstiles could they value Isaac + Gary and 25 for Simons?

Cole + Gary + 25 for Sexton?

All that statement proved was the names that constantly get brought up here are in that 20-25M range and are obtainable.

[Skybox]

McCollum is Corey Joseph level on defense.

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Franz Wagner level on offense if Franz shoots better

[Skybox]

"Defense for offense" ...didn't those words come right out of your hero's mouth?

how is adding a guy who has been one of the league's elite shooters for a decade and scored over 20ppg for over a decade just dismissed as a "trade for the sake of trading" Can't see any improvement in adding that kind of offensive talent - clean your glasses

Dude is 34. He’s literally at any given moment calling it a career.

I don’t mind it if we got other stuff in the works. If this is Weltman’s biggest move of the off season it just further shows his inabilities.

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

I’d say Jett and Isaac and WCJ might be retired before CJ slows down…not to mention our SG with the “innovative “ knee surgery

[Skybox]

CJ put up 24/4/4 and 37% from 3 as primary ballhandler and offensive threat. thats a "moment from calling it a career"?

if so, can we get a few more players ready to call it a career?

21…His numbers are down in some areas.

He’s 34. You’re not new. You know that’s the downside of anyone’s career.

his numbers last year would be our best offensive guard.

in a LOOOOONG TIME

[Knightro]

I think the following players are mostly/completely safe from being traded...

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black, Carter and Isaac.

And I would expect Moritz, Gary and Cory to have their team options declined unless the team has already worked out a deal where one or more of their salaries would need to be in the deal to make it a reality.

That leaves...

KCP $21.6M
Cole $13.1M
Goga $8.3M
Jett $5.5M
TDS $3.8M
Houstan $2.1M

That's $54.4M worth of salaries to send out.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I think the following players are mostly/completely safe from being traded...

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black, Carter and Isaac.

And I would expect Moritz, Gary and Cory to have their team options declined unless the team has already worked out a deal where one or more of their salaries would need to be in the deal to make it a reality.

That leaves...

KCP $21.6M
Cole $13.1M
Goga $8.3M
Jett $5.5M
TDS $3.8M
Houstan $2.1M

That's $54.4M worth of salaries to send out.

I've got that list in 3 groups.

MUST be traded - Cole, Gary, Goga
High Salary needed- KCP, Isaac, higher than 50% chance one of these players is gone
Throw ins- Jett, TDS, Houstan

[Magic_Johnny12]

I think the following players are mostly/completely safe from being traded...

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black, Carter and Isaac.

And I would expect Moritz, Gary and Cory to have their team options declined unless the team has already worked out a deal where one or more of their salaries would need to be in the deal to make it a reality.

That leaves...

KCP $21.6M
Cole $13.1M
Goga $8.3M
Jett $5.5M
TDS $3.8M
Houstan $2.1M

That's $54.4M worth of salaries to send out.

"It sounds like you're saying the Magic are going to be more aggressive this summer maybe and possibly trade some defense for offense?”

Weltman - “And given the fact that we have I think a plethora of elite defensive talent on our roster, if we're going to get better offensively, it's going to have to come at some cost”

I personally don’t think Isaac is safe because surely he isn’t speaking about Cole/Howard/TDS or even Goga regarding trading elite defense for offense.

Also, in the same conversation Weltman said “I think like right now, nothing can be off the table.

I know this is merely media talk and we can’t take his every word literal, but Isaac’s deal was structured to be an attractive trade asset imo.

[RichCollab]

I think the following players are mostly/completely safe from being traded...

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black, Carter and Isaac.

And I would expect Moritz, Gary and Cory to have their team options declined unless the team has already worked out a deal where one or more of their salaries would need to be in the deal to make it a reality.

That leaves...

KCP $21.6M
Cole $13.1M
Goga $8.3M
Jett $5.5M
TDS $3.8M
Houstan $2.1M

That's $54.4M worth of salaries to send out.

I don’t think JI is safe.

[Knightro]

We’ll see on Isaac.

To me, the problem with trading Isaac is that he showed two years ago that he can provide more than $15 million worth of value, significantly so in fact, even in a limited role.

If he’s in shape and playing mostly backup 4 with a little backup 5 mixed in, even if his body will physically only allow him to play 15-20 minutes a game, if you get the 23-24 version of Isaac that’s one of the most impactful low minute players in the league.

I would keep him because we saw how positively he impacted the team two years ago. I just think last year got off the rails because of the weight gain and the misguided attempt to be a center.

[BadMofoPimp]

Yea, thats why i dont see CJ's age much of a disadvantage compared to Sexton & Simons. I hope we upgraded in 2 years from them anyway, because both are not particularly good basketball players.

You don’t see his age as a disadvantage as he getting hurt more the last 3-5 years ant 34 and we need consistent offense badly?

Nah, give me Simon’s over CJ.

For me all 3 are bad solutions. All have as much negatives as they have positives. When healthy, CJ at least is a much better playmaker than Simons & Sexton.
I want a PG or a Combo guard with high level playmakin and not one of those SG's in a PG body who can only make basic reads and doesnt improve our system (Simons is a at least a offball weapon). I'm gonna heavily disappointed anyway with any of those guys. I would go all in on Reaves or Garland. Reaves can do everything those 2 can do COMBINED on offense and more. Skillwise. He got the driving game of Sexton & the high volume 3's of Simons, but unlike them he gets to the line on a high rate and is a better playmaker.

For me all those one dimensional Combo guards gonna be a flop anyway. CJ at least got the biggest chance to succeed, because he got more skills we lack than those one dimensional guys. For him its ''only'' the age and health concerns, for the others its skill concerns

Since AB and Suggs are redundant, I think the Magic should trade AB for a solid combo guard that can playmake and shoot 3's.

[basketballRob]

You don’t see his age as a disadvantage as he getting hurt more the last 3-5 years ant 34 and we need consistent offense badly?

Nah, give me Simon’s over CJ.

For me all 3 are bad solutions. All have as much negatives as they have positives. When healthy, CJ at least is a much better playmaker than Simons & Sexton.
I want a PG or a Combo guard with high level playmakin and not one of those SG's in a PG body who can only make basic reads and doesnt improve our system (Simons is a at least a offball weapon). I'm gonna heavily disappointed anyway with any of those guys. I would go all in on Reaves or Garland. Reaves can do everything those 2 can do COMBINED on offense and more. Skillwise. He got the driving game of Sexton & the high volume 3's of Simons, but unlike them he gets to the line on a high rate and is a better playmaker.

For me all those one dimensional Combo guards gonna be a flop anyway. CJ at least got the biggest chance to succeed, because he got more skills we lack than those one dimensional guys. For him its ''only'' the age and health concerns, for the others its skill concerns

Since AB and Suggs are redundant, I think the Magic should trade AB for a solid combo guard that can playmake and shoot 3's.

A player like Cole but better? I would think if you wanted to upgrade Cole, then I would just trade Cole.

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[BadMofoPimp]

I think the following players are mostly/completely safe from being traded...

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black, Carter and Isaac.

And I would expect Moritz, Gary and Cory to have their team options declined unless the team has already worked out a deal where one or more of their salaries would need to be in the deal to make it a reality.

That leaves...

KCP $21.6M
Cole $13.1M
Goga $8.3M
Jett $5.5M
TDS $3.8M
Houstan $2.1M

That's $54.4M worth of salaries to send out.

I've got that list in 3 groups.

MUST be traded - Cole, Gary, Goga
High Salary needed- KCP, Isaac, higher than 50% chance one of these players is gone
Throw ins- Jett, TDS, Houstan

Would rather keep Goga over Isaac. Bigs like him are hard to come by and Center depth appears to be a priority, but I do think Goga will be moved.