Nico loves the thinness, DAL-PHX

[HadAnEffectHere]

Dallas gets: Kevin Durant
Phoenix gets: Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, 2029 Lakers pick, Jaden Hardy, OMax Prosper

Why for Dallas: Add an extremely thin player to win now who has the Mamba mentality (takes a lot of contested jumpshots)

Why for Phoenix: Add depth and a center to this terrible roster

[Godaddycurse]

dallas owes more.

[hcsilla]

The Suns do not need Klay Thompson and his contract at all.

[Mavrelous]

dallas owes more.

How so??

If PHX is smart, they pull the trigger even w/o the 1st...
I hate for Dallas, but Nico might do it.

[Godaddycurse]

dallas owes more.

How so??

If PHX is smart, they pull the trigger even w/o the 1st...
I hate for Dallas, but Nico might do it.

you rate PJ really high so you wouldnt think they need to, but i dont think PJ and LAL 2029 1st fetches a top 10 lotto pick which is about what durant is worth per rest of the board

[gswhoops]

The Suns do not need Klay Thompson and his contract at all.

So send him somewhere else. He's a serviceable player making barely over the MLE for 2 years. Won't be that hard to find a taker for him.

If you don't like the deal anyway, then fine, but this shouldn't be the hangup.

[Mavrelous]

dallas owes more.

How so??

If PHX is smart, they pull the trigger even w/o the 1st...
I hate for Dallas, but Nico might do it.

you rate PJ really high so you wouldnt think they need to, but i dont think PJ and LAL 2029 1st fetches a top 10 lotto pick which is about what durant is worth per rest of the board

These are 3 starters for them at the 3,4 and 5...
They trade Allen for depth pieces and call it a day.
PJ is exactly what they're missing.

[tcheco]

Suns might look elsewhere before trying a bigger name before accepting this

[Godaddycurse]

How so??

If PHX is smart, they pull the trigger even w/o the 1st...
I hate for Dallas, but Nico might do it.

you rate PJ really high so you wouldnt think they need to, but i dont think PJ and LAL 2029 1st fetches a top 10 lotto pick which is about what durant is worth per rest of the board

These are 3 starters for them at the 3,4 and 5...
They trade Allen for depth pieces and call it a day.
PJ is exactly what they're missing.

Klay is not a SF

[Mavrelous]

you rate PJ really high so you wouldnt think they need to, but i dont think PJ and LAL 2029 1st fetches a top 10 lotto pick which is about what durant is worth per rest of the board

These are 3 starters for them at the 3,4 and 5...
They trade Allen for depth pieces and call it a day.
PJ is exactly what they're missing.

Klay is not a SF

He can play it just fine IMO, especially next to PJ.

[hcsilla]

The Suns do not need Klay Thompson and his contract at all.

So send him somewhere else. He's a serviceable player making barely over the MLE for 2 years. Won't be that hard to find a taker for him.

If you don't like the deal anyway, then fine, but this shouldn't be the hangup.

I don't like this deal precisely because of Thompson.

If it is so easy to send him elsewhere, this deal can and should do it.

[Mavrelous]

Nuggets will take Klaybfor Naji/Saric/min contract

[Texas Chuck]

WE worry about the strangest things on this board sometimes. Klay isn't ideal to the current construction of the Suns this is true. But he could be flipped for a similar level player at a different position. Or probably even better is now he makes Allen very expendable and Allen could return a better player at a different position.

Then is pick 10 now worth more than Gafford/Washington/29 LAL 1st unprotected? I doubt it, but I definitely doubt it for the current Phoenix Suns who will still be trying to win. That's two players who would play major roles for them.

Once again the perfect becomes the enemy of the good*

*maybe this deal isn't good, but it shouldn't be because of the inclusion of Klay Thompson as matching. Shockingly when trading a player making over $50M a team might have to match the salary in a way that isn't perfect. In no way would Klay be a deal stopper if the Suns and Mavs were interested in the primary concept.

[gswhoops]

WE worry about the strangest things on this board sometimes. Klay isn't ideal to the current construction of the Suns this is true. But he could be flipped for a similar level player at a different position. Or probably even better is now he makes Allen very expendable and Allen could return a better player at a different position.

Then is pick 10 now worth more than Gafford/Washington/29 LAL 1st unprotected? I doubt it, but I definitely doubt it for the current Phoenix Suns who will still be trying to win. That's two players who would play major roles for them.

Once again the perfect becomes the enemy of the good*

*maybe this deal isn't good, but it shouldn't be because of the inclusion of Klay Thompson as matching. Shockingly when trading a player making over $50M a team might have to match the salary in a way that isn't perfect. In no way would Klay be a deal stopper if the Suns and Mavs were interested in the primary concept.

Exactly. Flip Klay to Orlando for Goga or Mo Wagner and filler. Or to Denver for Nnaji/Saric and some 2nd round picks. Or to Memphis for Brandon Clarke. Or.....

STG some people's attitude on this board is that unless a deal is perfect and solves every roster issue in one fell swoop, it's not worth pursuing.

[hugepatsfan]

The Suns do not need Klay Thompson and his contract at all.

They don't but Durant makes $54M and any team acquiring him is most likely going to want to send back more than that in the trade so they aren't hard capped (which means 3rd and 4th teams will be needed most likely). It's highly unlikely that the Suns are going to be able to trade KD without SOME of the matching salary being undesirable on its own.

[djFan71]

If for some reason Dallas prefers KD over Jrue…. this works pretty well.

KD is only going to have a few destinations that make sense, but there’s no prize asset. Just really good ones. HOU could beat it with 10 or some of PHO picks back, but if they don’t, this is solid imo.

[Mamba4Goat]

I think the concern here with the value is that it’s, theoretically probably fine but it’s just a bunch of quarters and dimes for a dollar without yielding a true major value piece. If KD was going to Houston, for example, he could return a Jabari Smith or #10 which has considerably more upside than anything present. If he was going to Minnesota, he could return someone like Rudy Gobert which is a significantly better win-now talent than anything presented too. This trade is in the middle of both of those but in a non-beneficial, the Suns will likely stay mediocre for the long term way.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the concern here with the value is that it’s, theoretically probably fine but it’s just a bunch of quarters and dimes for a dollar without yielding a true major value piece. If KD was going to Houston, for example, he could return a Jabari Smith or #10 which has considerably more upside than anything present. If he was going to Minnesota, he could return someone like Rudy Gobert which is a significantly better win-now talent than anything presented too. This trade is in the middle of both of those but in a non-beneficial, the Suns will likely stay mediocre for the long term way.

I think this is fair though. The Suns have signaled they want to be competitive so a deal that gives them solid players now and an unprotected 1st to be their upside swing feels in line with that.

But if Houston is willing to match salary without Green they can offer good players and immediate future value which I agree is better.

No idea how the Suns feel about a Gobert-centric package, but definitely a more impactful player than the Dallas guys here.

And of course where KD wants to end up is going to play a part too I would imagine.

[Mamba4Goat]

I think the concern here with the value is that it’s, theoretically probably fine but it’s just a bunch of quarters and dimes for a dollar without yielding a true major value piece. If KD was going to Houston, for example, he could return a Jabari Smith or #10 which has considerably more upside than anything present. If he was going to Minnesota, he could return someone like Rudy Gobert which is a significantly better win-now talent than anything presented too. This trade is in the middle of both of those but in a non-beneficial, the Suns will likely stay mediocre for the long term way.

I think this is fair though. The Suns have signaled they want to be competitive so a deal that gives them solid players now and an unprotected 1st to be their upside swing feels in line with that.

But if Houston is willing to match salary without Green they can offer good players and immediate future value which I agree is better.

No idea how the Suns feel about a Gobert-centric package, but definitely a more impactful player than the Dallas guys here.

And of course where KD wants to end up is going to play a part too I would imagine.

There’s a difference of competing and being mediocre in perpetuity without really having a light at the end of the tunnel. Gafford and Washington are mostly who they are at this point as players which are solid role players. The only pick is years away. There are no real upside plays outside of it and those two wouldn’t move the short term needle enough. If Lively entered the conversation this would be a completely different discussion because he’s an upside play with staying power. But as is they’re likely getting worse but staying in that fringe playoff area and don’t have anything bright to look forward to until the LAL pick or a likely Booker trade.

[jredsaz]

The Suns do not need Klay Thompson and his contract at all.

So send him somewhere else. He's a serviceable player making barely over the MLE for 2 years. Won't be that hard to find a taker for him.

If you don't like the deal anyway, then fine, but this shouldn't be the hangup.

I agree with this sentiment. Depends on what Klay can bring back but he should be worth something on the market that interests the Suns.