Nets/Spurs

[wemby]

Likely Cam Johnson + the 8th pick + 19th pick + 26th pick + atleast 2 of the Knicks future 1st round picks would likely be the asking price if the Spurs going move this far down in the draft order.

That is a huge package to move up six spots.

Nets would be better off making a play for one of the 3-6 picks if they are unhappy drafting at # 8.

For the kind of package you are talking about the Nets would have to be getting Flagg.

Well, post that offer for Flagg on the main board and see the responses.

Bottom line, 6 spots in and of itself means absolutely nothing. In this class, 6+7+8+9 probably don't get you to 1. Same in 2023 (Wemby's class). Here 19, 26 have little value other than counting at firsts, and the Knicks picks I'm not that impressed with. Nets fans should take a look at their asking price for Schroder for reference, then compare him to Flagg or Harper, then do the math.

[Netaman]

Likely Cam Johnson + the 8th pick + 19th pick + 26th pick + atleast 2 of the Knicks future 1st round picks would likely be the asking price if the Spurs going move this far down in the draft order.

That is a huge package to move up six spots.

Nets would be better off making a play for one of the 3-6 picks if they are unhappy drafting at # 8.

For the kind of package you are talking about the Nets would have to be getting Flagg.

I agree that this is a huge offer. As others have said or insinuated, however, Harper just does not (or should not) go for this price, let alone Flagg. If the Spurs are unimpressed with Harper, they will pivot to another big swing because this particular pick has a potential franchise guy available and that's the mindset they need to take with the asset.

Somebody said it above, but the comp for Harper is not Scoot Henderson but another Blazer, Brandon Roy. Harper can get what he wants, where and when he wants it, and has that economy of movement that few possess -- it is as good a tell of a future star as any other, and yet we continually miss it in prospects (and I am guilty). Harper certainly does have some skill sharpening and maturing to do, so the flop potential is non-zero, but you just don't trade him for a package that is nearly guaranteed never to deliver a prospect with his upside.

The second pick moves in a trade down a spot or two so the Spurs still get their guy and basically a free asset, or in a deal for a (really) high-level starting player. If they shatter this pick into a dozen pieces or whatever, especially in a deal where the balance of the value is in a distant pick or picks, they will have managed the asset terribly.

Any notion that the quoted package merits Flagg in return is fanciful in the extreme.

I'd mentioned Roy above - where do you fall on something built around #2 for Jaylen Brown? To me that would have to get SAS thinking because Brown is a known quantity possibly on a higher level than Roy ever hit, ready to accelerate the SAS competitive window day 1 and fits with Fox/Wemby.

or perhaps more realistically, if Nets got to #3 in a trade with Philly, and now your choice was Harper or whoever your next best player in the draft plus Cam Johnson and another future unprotected NYK pick that could be worth as much as a MIL/PHO first is now?

to me both of those scenarios are at least a little plausible, especially if the harpers are communicating a preference to where they land behind the scenes.

[Tim Lehrbach]

That is a huge package to move up six spots.

Nets would be better off making a play for one of the 3-6 picks if they are unhappy drafting at # 8.

For the kind of package you are talking about the Nets would have to be getting Flagg.

I agree that this is a huge offer. As others have said or insinuated, however, Harper just does not (or should not) go for this price, let alone Flagg. If the Spurs are unimpressed with Harper, they will pivot to another big swing because this particular pick has a potential franchise guy available and that's the mindset they need to take with the asset.

Somebody said it above, but the comp for Harper is not Scoot Henderson but another Blazer, Brandon Roy. Harper can get what he wants, where and when he wants it, and has that economy of movement that few possess -- it is as good a tell of a future star as any other, and yet we continually miss it in prospects (and I am guilty). Harper certainly does have some skill sharpening and maturing to do, so the flop potential is non-zero, but you just don't trade him for a package that is nearly guaranteed never to deliver a prospect with his upside.

The second pick moves in a trade down a spot or two so the Spurs still get their guy and basically a free asset, or in a deal for a (really) high-level starting player. If they shatter this pick into a dozen pieces or whatever, especially in a deal where the balance of the value is in a distant pick or picks, they will have managed the asset terribly.

Any notion that the quoted package merits Flagg in return is fanciful in the extreme.

I'd mentioned Roy above - where do you fall on something built around #2 for Jaylen Brown? To me that would have to get SAS thinking because Brown is a known quantity possibly on a higher level than Roy ever hit, ready to accelerate the SAS competitive window day 1 and fits with Fox/Wemby.

or perhaps more realistically, if Nets got to #3 in a trade with Philly, and now your choice was Harper or whoever your next best player in the draft plus Cam Johnson and another future unprotected NYK pick that could be worth as much as a MIL/PHO first is now?

to me both of those scenarios are at least a little plausible, especially if the harpers are communicating a preference to where they land behind the scenes.

If the Spurs, for whatever reason, are out on Harper, then trading down makes sense, but only if they are still getting a blue chipper. 3 or 4 keeps that in the realm of possibility. If Brooklyn can get to there, then sure, another jump is in play. Making two trades to get Harper is going to be massively expensive, though.

I like Brown for the Spurs, but not as much as I like Harper. That might be a bad bet on my part, but such is my enthusiasm for Harper.

[Netaman]

If the Spurs, for whatever reason, are out on Harper, then trading down makes sense, but only if they are still getting a blue chipper. 3 or 4 keeps that in the realm of possibility. If Brooklyn can get to there, then sure, another jump is in play. Making two trades to get Harper is going to be massively expensive, though.

I like Brown for the Spurs, but not as much as I like Harper. That might be a bad bet on my part, but such is my enthusiasm for Harper.

so i am pretty bullish that getting to #3 won't be that hard,
but bearish that getting to #2 is possible for the reasons you said above.

I think #3-#12 can go in a lot of different orders. I have nothing against VJ or Bailey, but I don't see them on a level consistent with the consensus rankings. I think there are easy arguments for Tre, Fears, and even Kon above either of them.

for a team like Philly, I think splitting 3 into a few different assets, an extra first, saving some $ so they can bring back their FAs easier, and still getting a comparable prospect to #3 makes sense. they could be a CamJ destination if the $ works without PG3. If it takes dumping the PG3 contract, that may cost the #3 pick.

#2 is how much SAS likes Harper, and however much they like the next tier of players. I tend more like you towards thinking Harper is the only other future "max" talent in the draft so im bearish they will trade him, though if i were MIL/BOS that would be the main asset I'd want if I were in a position of having to trade Brown/Giannis, and if either got presented to me for #2 I don't know what id do.