Breaking: Tom Fired

[Galvationknicks]

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Why is Kenny atkinson on here????

[BKlutch]

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Classy, Josh.

[Nicnac]

Now get daddy off of the bench, hire Malone. Run the offense through kat and find out if jb can be a distributing point guard

Do not hire Mark Jackson. He is the wrong coach for this team. He will only elevate jb.

Have a real talk with the new coach and Josh and let that be the new coaches decision.

DO NOT TRADE FOR GREEK, we will be starting over yet again. GREEK and JB. Lol. Lol. Lol. Fiting for the ball.

DO NOT TRADE MIKAL for pennies on the dollar. We don't really know enough about him bc thibs only let him play 1 on 1 or corner 3s

DO NOT TRADE FOR KD under any circumstances

MY BLUEPRINT LOL

[The KnicksFix]

Im turning soft as hell cause this sht has me a lil sad. I actually fcked with the guy. He was married to the game. Really wish it would have worked out here for him. That game 1 collapse was his downfall.
I know most here are stoked. But Im a lil leary about the change. We were an insane bounce from a game 7 ecf game at home with thibs. But I do think thibs shtick of inspiration has a shelf life and was prolly expired.

I'm feeling similar ways tbh. Thibs has NY spirit even though there may be room for improvement.

Wish we just made the Finals this year, then the story may be different

Bigger picture man, he’s just a footnote on the journey to the overall goal
He’s a REGULAR SEASON COACH that gets high total regular season wins, but when teams game plan in a 7 game series, he can’t adjust
HE COULDNT WIN WHEN IT WAS MONEY TIME

[Guano]

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Horrendous

Im calling my ex back NOW. Begging for her back. Im a changed man. I didnt know how good I had it. Pls take me back.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Just don't screw this up. Thibs made a ton of questionable choices this season, so I'm not mad at it. But I thought he did enough to warrant one more season with the FO tweaking the roster for him.

Get me a legit coach...the last thing I want is another decade of hiring mediocrity.

I disagree. He's maximized in game results over his period as HC while the FO have fought, not always correctly, to maximize season long/playoff long results.

Give him flowers for doing what he aims to do well if you like.

However, that's not what the Knicks needed or need.

[Obviously, Thibs was, day by day, leagues and leagues ahead of the likes of Fizdale ... but that's not really a hurdle to be estimated.]

[NoDopeOnSundays]

yes because our outside shooting was worse

We made .6 less threes this season at the same exact percentage as last year.

The man didn't even try to get Brunson/KAT to work together during the season, and that showed up in the playoffs. The offense was crap, and against the Pacers we could not keep up with their scoring, despite the defense performing better than last season (118 DRTG vs 124 DRTG).


This team was put together under the assumption it would be an offensive monster, it was not, and that's on the coach for running the same old tired ISO offense.

what about vs indy in the playoffs ?

We made 10 per game this season vs them, 12 per game last season.


Which brings us back to the bench too, because Shamet only played 53 minutes, yet he's tied for 4th with Bridges in made threes against them. He was 7-13 from three, maybe that could have helped us with the shooting.


Anyway, he's gone and he's not coming back to coach so I don't even need to argue this much now, the front office agreed with me

[Red Vines]

I figured when staff had to start approaching Thibs to take out certain players in garbage time it was probably the end.

[aq_ua]

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Classy, Josh.

He may end up being remembered as our Luol Deng.

[Fat Kat]

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Why is Kenny atkinson on here????

Becky Hammon

[MrDollarBills]

No team has a perfect roster. It is a choice to not try anything at all season until you start a series 0-2. The fact that McBride got 50 minutes the whole season with starters while Hart got 1250 shows the lack of any in game coaching and simply going through motions with Thibs. Even perfect rosters need an in game coach. Thibs refuse to do that. See how quickly Carlisle were taking timeouts after a Knicks run vs how long Thibs waits until we dug ourselves a really big hole before deciding to intervene

No roster is perfect and good coaches will adapt to what they have.

We've said since Christmas that what Tom was doing was asinine and we got told we were crazy. Now look.

All I can say is, I hope you’re right. It was super clear coming into the season that our bench would be paper thin, and this was going to be a year that our starters had to carry us through and hopefully make the incremental bench adjustments this offseason.

Everyone saw it and accepted it at the time. The only thing that changed was the moving goalposts - Thibs became a victim of his own success and outperformance beyond the overall construct of this roster. We’ll now get to see if the expectations were wrong then or now.

The goalposts did move, but I think the front office saw a lot of bad things all season long and that Indiana series was where the rubber met the road per say.

But however...there were players on the bench that could have played all year long. There was zero reason for this team to run a 7 man rotation in DECEMBER

[god shammgod]

We made .6 less threes this season at the same exact percentage as last year.

The man didn't even try to get Brunson/KAT to work together during the season, and that showed up in the playoffs. The offense was crap, and against the Pacers we could not keep up with their scoring, despite the defense performing better than last season (118 DRTG vs 124 DRTG).


This team was put together under the assumption it would be an offensive monster, it was not, and that's on the coach for running the same old tired ISO offense.

what about vs indy in the playoffs ?

We made 10 per game this season vs them, 12 per game last season.


Which brings us back to the bench too, because Shamet only played 53 minutes, yet he's tied for 4th with Bridges in made threes against them. He was 7-13 from three, maybe that could have helped us with the shooting.


Anyway, he's gone and he's not coming back to coach so I don't even need to argue this much now, the front office agreed with me

i actually don't care. i just think the roster was a much bigger problem. we'll see if they do anything about that. running it back will produce a similar result to me.

[koogiking]

KAT is our best player I think a coach like Mike Malone who has championship experience with Dynamic Bigs is a good look.

I don't have any hard requests though for a coach just hope it's a good one and they mesh well here

[Nicnac]

Im turning soft as hell cause this sht has me a lil sad. I actually fcked with the guy. He was married to the game. Really wish it would have worked out here for him. That game 1 collapse was his downfall.
I know most here are stoked. But Im a lil leary about the change. We were an insane bounce from a game 7 ecf game at home with thibs. But I do think thibs shtick of inspiration has a shelf life and was prolly expired.

I'm feeling similar ways tbh. Thibs has NY spirit even though there may be room for improvement.

Wish we just made the Finals this year, then the story may be different

NY SPIRIT??? where. How. He only watched the game. Never fought for his team. Only blamed the players. No accountability. I guess we were watching two different guys

[kNicksGmen]

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Classy, Josh.

new coach going to actually make hart take practice seriously? he'll be a 15-25 minute player going forward I assume

[JayTWill]

Shocked to see him gone after reaching the ECF. I loved Thibs in year 1 but was out on him after year 2. He has this reputation as a no nonsense guy but I was surprised to see things fall apart on his watch in year 2. In his 3rd year things turned around but i'm still not sure how much that had to do with Thibs or just the addition of talent in Brunson, Hart, iHart etc.

He is known as a defensive coach but the team's 3 highest paid players and highest minute players in Randle, RJ and Brunson gave very little effort on defense. Outside of year 1 the team has not been consistently great defensively. He clearly isn't a great offensive mind so I didn't really see the point of keeping him around.

The personnel has changed many times since his arrival but the end product has looked mostly the same as the expectations rose. They could have continued to make adjustments to the roster but I doubt it would have changed anything. My only concern now is they may have waited too late to make this change while year after year spending assets to cover some of the flaws in the roster and the flaws in the coach.

Now they are sitting here with a roster that still has holes in it with very few assets to improve the roster. Thibs deserved some scrutiny for the way things have gone but the front office also deserves some scrutiny for spending all their assets on an ill-fitting roster. Hopefully a new coach can squeeze a little more out of this team and i'm just hoping for a more enjoyable brand of basketball. I feel like we have been sold the Knicks playing hard for years when they mostly just made the game look hard.

[RHODEY]

Now get daddy off of the bench, hire Malone. Run the offense through kat and find out if jb can be a distributing point guard

Do not hire Mark Jackson. He is the wrong coach for this team. He will only elevate jb.

Have a real talk with the new coach and Josh and let that be the new coaches decision.

DO NOT TRADE FOR GREEK, we will be starting over yet again. GREEK and JB. Lol. Lol. Lol. Fiting for the ball.

DO NOT TRADE MIKAL for pennies on the dollar. We don't really know enough about him bc thibs only let him play 1 on 1 or corner 3s

DO NOT TRADE FOR KD under any circumstances

MY BLUEPRINT LOL

According to CP form KNickfanTV the Knicks org wants nothing to do with Malone.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

This is wild.

I know everybody is excited here, but the Knicks better have a good replacement in mind.

Say what you want about Tom, and I'm was one leaning that he should get fired, you can't really say he lost the locker room. I think the players, Brunson in particular, liked him a lot.

The thing I fear now is that this was a James Dolan decision. And we all know, when he's the one calling shots, **** goes sour.

This could be our Doug Collins to PJax moment. Or it can be another JVG to Don Chaney

I’m a random outsider that has 0 posts on this particular sub forum but have lived in nyc over 10 years of my life and this was clearly a Dolan decision.

For the first time Dolan stayed out of the way. I’m confident he collapsed under the pressure of a conf finals visit.

Dollars to donuts that this wasn't a Dolan decision. It was definitely Leon Rose's decision.

Agreed. Like it or loathe it this really looks like Leon Rose already having identified that Thibs needed to go. My thread probably tipped him off in mid-season. My post that Thibs needed to go even if the Knicks won the championship, early in the playoffs, was probably the final piece of information he needed.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yeah. no one's keeping that dude but thibs.

Rick will be alright i wonder if he finished his basement yet

Brunson took a discount and now his daddy is getting fired?

gotta think he was aware and at least understanding.

[sp6r=underrated]

Jay10 speculated that Thibs started making lineups adjustments (Shamet/Wright) due to management pressures.

Whether that's true or not, management went out and got those guys for him this year and he refused to use them until the situation or management themselves forced his hand. That's... gonna piss 'em off especially since both players clearly helped when we started to use them. That's ticket out of town material.

Part of the reason the Nuggets fired their GM/Coach was the logic above. The owner agreed to spend money on a bench and the coach refused to play em. Obviously that will piss the owner off immensely and usually someone is getting fired the Coach or GM.

Here the knicks gave Thibs a bench and he didn't try to develop em. If we had won 56-58 games in the RS and make the finals maybe he survives. But since he didn't management is going to respond.