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the_process wrote:76ciology wrote:Juicy rumors
https://www.hoopshq.com/nba-draft/nba-draft-intel-latest
Harper working for multiple teams
Spurs might be looking to pair Maluach with Wemby
Kneuppel on the rise
Some team may have given promise with Kasparas
Who is Harper working out for? Sixers?
Negrodamus wrote:https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/free-agency-and-draft-rumors-panicTHE ACE BAILEY CONVO
The Sixers are sending out mixed signals about that third pick. I’ve heard they’re willing to move it for a star upgrade, want to keep it, and are fine with taking Ace Bailey, and that they are not fans and may take VJ Edgecombe instead. All options are obviously on the table for a team in their position. So that clears that up.
One Western Conference team not in contention is said to be interested in Bailey and trying to find ways to move up to get him. That team has some assets the Sixers would probably like but aren’t going to be wowed by. It’s a good starting place for a three-team Paul George trade, though.
Negrodamus wrote:I think Morey is going to take Dumars for all their worth for Ace Bailey. Feel like I've now seen two vague rumors of NO being very interested in Ace.
Negrodamus wrote:I think Morey is going to take Dumars for all their worth for Ace Bailey. Feel like I've now seen two vague rumors of NO being very interested in Ace.
Mik317 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:How do you see the vision with VJ or Tre when we likely have to trade one of our guards?Mik317 wrote:Again huge coward here
My issues with Ace is that I personally just can't fully look past his flaws like I can for some of the others atm and when guys smarter than I also point the same issues out, I get worried. This pick is huge for us but also kinda the last chance lol..so hitting on it is paramount. Tre is a **** sieve on defense for sure BUT he has an elite skill and you COULD (probably shouldn't) chalk it up to him being the whole offense. VJ's handle isn't super advanced BUT his first step again is elite and not being super advanced doesn't mean bad imo. Kon is an elite shooter and built like fire hydrant so his defense feels like it is better than advertised with some potential on ball chops to be unburied. These all could be massive cop outs and probably are for most of them lol. I can't fully get there on Ace atm (lord knows I will if we draft him especially after the first hesi pull up jimbo) BUT based on mjust purely my eye test as of right now...he isn't a great shooter like advertised but rather a capable one at best AT THIS MOMENT. Its not really his handle that is the issue but his foot speed imo. And while yeah Rutgers was dog water, I am sorry but after making the same excuses for Ben and Fultz Its hard to do it again. Tre and VJ weren't in insane situations either btw. Then you add in the nerd vorpo slorpo stuff I don't fully grasp being another knock on him...it is just a tough sell especically since the non nerd **** of just watching the tape does't fully impress me atm.
I DO think some are going too far tho. As stated earlier the 6'7 thing is just super unfair when Flagg doesn't get the same treatment. And perhaps its just the internet but some do act like he shot their dog lol. But yeah its just easier for me to squint with the other prospects with rose colored glasses atm.
I WILL say tho. Ace is 18 and hasn't had real training yet so he could be more malleable than people think. He is the cleanest "fit" position wise as well. On the silly side, Ace Bailey is a star ass name too. Airous Bailey is even better (might ding him some points for not going by that honestly) And again I am a **** idiot clown who knows nothing so if we take him, I will do a full 180 and go "actually tough shot making is cool".
BUT as of right now my eyes don't fully see the vision like I can with the other guys in the area
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Because they have an elite trait (shooting and athleticism) and I don't think we'd have to trade anyone right away as I think both will be a great rotation piece for the start of their career and then you make the choice years down the line. Having too many good playable guards isn't a bad thing in the short term either especially since Maxey is the only "proven" one at the moment. If anything that might be the new meta, plus Grimes and Vj can play the 3 and perhaps Tre as well. Again perhaps VJ is just smaller Wiggins and Tre is just Buddy Hield from Texas and Ace turns into the T-Mac of my dreams and I am sitting here with the dumb look on my face lol.
tldr: I don't see Ace's elite traits like I can VJ or Tre's; It just all feels theoretical atm. fair or not
FireMorey wrote:Harper will be a Sixer.
FireMorey wrote:Harper will be a Sixer.
Mik317 wrote:Again huge coward here
My issues with Ace is that I personally just can't fully look past his flaws like I can for some of the others atm and when guys smarter than I also point the same issues out, I get worried. This pick is huge for us but also kinda the last chance lol..so hitting on it is paramount. Tre is a **** sieve on defense for sure BUT he has an elite skill and you COULD (probably shouldn't) chalk it up to him being the whole offense. VJ's handle isn't super advanced BUT his first step again is elite and not being super advanced doesn't mean bad imo. Kon is an elite shooter and built like fire hydrant so his defense feels like it is better than advertised with some potential on ball chops to be unburied. These all could be massive cop outs and probably are for most of them lol. I can't fully get there on Ace atm (lord knows I will if we draft him especially after the first hesi pull up jimbo) BUT based on mjust purely my eye test as of right now...he isn't a great shooter like advertised but rather a capable one at best AT THIS MOMENT. Its not really his handle that is the issue but his foot speed imo. And while yeah Rutgers was dog water, I am sorry but after making the same excuses for Ben and Fultz Its hard to do it again. Tre and VJ weren't in insane situations either btw. Then you add in the nerd vorpo slorpo stuff I don't fully grasp being another knock on him...it is just a tough sell especically since the non nerd **** of just watching the tape does't fully impress me atm.
I DO think some are going too far tho. As stated earlier the 6'7 thing is just super unfair when Flagg doesn't get the same treatment. And perhaps its just the internet but some do act like he shot their dog lol. But yeah its just easier for me to squint with the other prospects with rose colored glasses atm.
I WILL say tho. Ace is 18 and hasn't had real training yet so he could be more malleable than people think. He is the cleanest "fit" position wise as well. On the silly side, Ace Bailey is a star ass name too. Airous Bailey is even better (might ding him some points for not going by that honestly) And again I am a **** idiot clown who knows nothing so if we take him, I will do a full 180 and go "actually tough shot making is cool".
BUT as of right now my eyes don't fully see the vision like I can with the other guys in the area
Negrodamus wrote:https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/free-agency-and-draft-rumors-panicTHE ACE BAILEY CONVO
The Sixers are sending out mixed signals about that third pick. I’ve heard they’re willing to move it for a star upgrade, want to keep it, and are fine with taking Ace Bailey, and that they are not fans and may take VJ Edgecombe instead. All options are obviously on the table for a team in their position. So that clears that up.
One Western Conference team not in contention is said to be interested in Bailey and trying to find ways to move up to get him. That team has some assets the Sixers would probably like but aren’t going to be wowed by. It’s a good starting place for a three-team Paul George trade, though.
Arsenal wrote:NBA insider Brett Siegel's updated Big Board has Ace #2, Harper #3, Maluach #4, Edgecombe #5, and Essengue #6. More evidence that we MUST come out of this draft with either Ace or Noa.
https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/2025-nba-draft-big-board-3-0-rising-stars-top-10
Iverson Armband wrote:I would NOT be looking to make a fair trade involving #3 and if I were Morey I would let that be known from the rip. Whoever wants it is going to have to pay out the ass for it.
eyeatoma wrote:sodmoraes wrote:What i find a little amusing is that Essengue gets a lot of "passes" by some of the posters. LIke the man plays in a **** league, playing against accountants, and his offensive game seems limited( does his league even produced someone who played in the nba?). But you see some posters saying that his offensive game can improve like is a given, when its hard to improve some aspects of the offensive game. While, when it´s about Bailey evaluation, they "lay the hammer", overanalyzing every aspect of this game, and discarding the problems his team had( that may have impacted his numbers) and all that, being very inflexible on his ability to improve his flaws..
Seems like some players get all the passes, while others dont get that same bonus. Bailey has some flaws, but he has some abilities that are very hard to find in a prospect. Essengue´s may be a good player, but he´s a role player, with limited offensive skills. We need an impact player. I just dont trust people with good athletic abilities playing in bad leagues, it´s easy to look good there( will he even look athletic in the nba?). I´ts how you you end like the Hornets, trying to get cute and drafting a guy like Tidjane Salaun because he had a lot of potential playing against bums. I dont think Noa will be a bust like him, but we have a 3rd pick, we cant risky it in a someone playing in a **** league with roleplayer traits.
Very well said. I don't get why the players who have warts, are all fixable, but Bailey's aren't when he has clear skills that no one else has, and size and position you can't teach. I'm fine if we go Ace, VJ, Tre, but will be pissed if we drop down massively, just to get someone so we can get assets and toe the line of this farce of trying to continue to contend, which we all know is a pipe dream.
KramerDSP wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:I would NOT be looking to make a fair trade involving #3 and if I were Morey I would let that be known from the rip. Whoever wants it is going to have to pay out the ass for it.
#7 + Jones + best of Pels/Bucks 2026 1st + right to swap worse of our 1st/LAC 1st with Pelicans in 2028.
Jojothewhale wrote:eyeatoma wrote:sodmoraes wrote:What i find a little amusing is that Essengue gets a lot of "passes" by some of the posters. LIke the man plays in a **** league, playing against accountants, and his offensive game seems limited( does his league even produced someone who played in the nba?). But you see some posters saying that his offensive game can improve like is a given, when its hard to improve some aspects of the offensive game. While, when it´s about Bailey evaluation, they "lay the hammer", overanalyzing every aspect of this game, and discarding the problems his team had( that may have impacted his numbers) and all that, being very inflexible on his ability to improve his flaws..
Seems like some players get all the passes, while others dont get that same bonus. Bailey has some flaws, but he has some abilities that are very hard to find in a prospect. Essengue´s may be a good player, but he´s a role player, with limited offensive skills. We need an impact player. I just dont trust people with good athletic abilities playing in bad leagues, it´s easy to look good there( will he even look athletic in the nba?). I´ts how you you end like the Hornets, trying to get cute and drafting a guy like Tidjane Salaun because he had a lot of potential playing against bums. I dont think Noa will be a bust like him, but we have a 3rd pick, we cant risky it in a someone playing in a **** league with roleplayer traits.
Very well said. I don't get why the players who have warts, are all fixable, but Bailey's aren't when he has clear skills that no one else has, and size and position you can't teach. I'm fine if we go Ace, VJ, Tre, but will be pissed if we drop down massively, just to get someone so we can get assets and toe the line of this farce of trying to continue to contend, which we all know is a pipe dream.
I swear it’s like people refuse to listen to what is actually being said. Those of us strongly against Ace at 3 largely don’t think he has “skills no one else has.’ That’s the entire discussion.
You disagree. That’s fine. Disagreement on those things happens every year on almost every prospect. There’s no reason to try to tell everyone else what they think.
Jojothewhale wrote:eyeatoma wrote:sodmoraes wrote:What i find a little amusing is that Essengue gets a lot of "passes" by some of the posters. LIke the man plays in a **** league, playing against accountants, and his offensive game seems limited( does his league even produced someone who played in the nba?). But you see some posters saying that his offensive game can improve like is a given, when its hard to improve some aspects of the offensive game. While, when it´s about Bailey evaluation, they "lay the hammer", overanalyzing every aspect of this game, and discarding the problems his team had( that may have impacted his numbers) and all that, being very inflexible on his ability to improve his flaws..
Seems like some players get all the passes, while others dont get that same bonus. Bailey has some flaws, but he has some abilities that are very hard to find in a prospect. Essengue´s may be a good player, but he´s a role player, with limited offensive skills. We need an impact player. I just dont trust people with good athletic abilities playing in bad leagues, it´s easy to look good there( will he even look athletic in the nba?). I´ts how you you end like the Hornets, trying to get cute and drafting a guy like Tidjane Salaun because he had a lot of potential playing against bums. I dont think Noa will be a bust like him, but we have a 3rd pick, we cant risky it in a someone playing in a **** league with roleplayer traits.
Very well said. I don't get why the players who have warts, are all fixable, but Bailey's aren't when he has clear skills that no one else has, and size and position you can't teach. I'm fine if we go Ace, VJ, Tre, but will be pissed if we drop down massively, just to get someone so we can get assets and toe the line of this farce of trying to continue to contend, which we all know is a pipe dream.
I swear it’s like people refuse to listen to what is actually being said. Those of us strongly against Ace at 3 largely don’t think he has “skills no one else has.’ That’s the entire discussion.
You disagree. That’s fine. Disagreement on those things happens every year on almost every prospect. There’s no reason to try to tell everyone else what they think.