Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[Fantastik_Goat]

Fred Hoiberg deserves another shot at the NBA

[DusterBuster]

Wow, there has never been less job security for head coaches than I’ve seen this year.

Knicks should tap Terry Stotts has head coach.

Is Stotts a better coach than Thibs?

For the right team, he can be. Won't be as good defensively, but won't run your starting 5 into the ground and his offensive system is top notch, I think he could push Brunson to another level.

[Dez]

Not going to change anything when their best player is only effective when he pounds the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock.

They're basically the Isaiah Thomas Celtics, they aren't winning a championship no matter who the coach is.

[Hoop Hunter]

I think this is bad knee jerk reaction to just losing a though series. That was probably as good of a finish anyone could have predicted before the season started. It always hurts more the farther you go.

First time in the ECF's in 25 years. First time winning back to back 50 wins season, in like forever. A few bounces here or there and they could have won. They were 2 wins from the finals.

It might work out if the replacement is really great. It might just fail spectacularly. We'll see.

[TheGOATRises007]

Wow, there has never been less job security for head coaches than I’ve seen this year.

Knicks should tap Terry Stotts has head coach.

Is Stotts a better coach than Thibs?

For the right team, he can be. Won't be as good defensively, but won't run your starting 5 into the ground and his offensive skill is top notch, I think he could push Brunson to another level.

Brunson has no other level to get to.

This is the best he can get.

Unless he somehow turns into a positive defender, but the evidence is fully against that.

[Spicy P]

Overrated coach who hasn’t accomplished anything in the post-season. He’s had some good teams with the Bulls, Timberwolves and Knicks teams too. He’s had good regular season records because he plays his starters huge minutes. He’s peaked as a coach. It was time to move on.

[DaGawd]

Not going to change anything when their best player is only effective when he pounds the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock.

They're basically the Isaiah Thomas Celtics, they aren't winning a championship no matter who the coach is.

maybe get a coach who can implement and actual offense other than iso/read and react?

[DusterBuster]

Is Stotts a better coach than Thibs?

For the right team, he can be. Won't be as good defensively, but won't run your starting 5 into the ground and his offensive skill is top notch, I think he could push Brunson to another level.

Brunson has no other level to get to.

This is the best he can get.

Unless he somehow turns into a positive defender, but the evidence is fully against that.

Disagree, but whatever.

[DusterBuster]

If Knicks fans were frustrated by the offense under Thibs, they would be in for a breath of fresh air with Stotts. And to be fair, the Blazers defensive issues were less Stotts' issue and more the rosters Neil Olshey gave Terry. Stotts was the defensive head assistant with Dallas the year they won the title with Dirk.

[___Rand___]

Been a staunch Thibs defender here since his Twolves days and thought he did a good job this past season. We need better than good, though. We need somebody willing/able to completely re-envision this team on offense and on defense. Three high-level defenders in the starting five and two on the bench, plus two high-level scorers in the starting five and three others able to step up at any given time--that said, the parts never worked together smoothly, and our bench seemed consistently lost.

As I've posted before, Thibs was our Mark Jackson. Here's hoping we find our Steve Kerr--the young, hungry coach who sees a way to make all these parts fit in a new way.

There's no Steph and Klay in waiting. But this is your championship or broke as the team traded away 5 1st round picks so yeah, gotta try something different.

[JujitsuFlip]

He’s a fantastic coach. Why can’t nba players play 34 min 3x a week. He will get hired by the Kings

Well, because when your starting 5 is something like 2nd, 4th, 6th, 17th, and 20th in MPG... There are zero roles for anyone on the team.

How wild is it that Thibs did not go 10 deep until the final 2 or 3 games of the season? It's like too late buddy, you had these guys collective anus glued to the bench.

i mean lets be real the drop off in talent from their top 7 players is insane, that's on leon rose.

they wouldn't have beaten detroit or boston playing 10 players regularly. i feel like there were thib's teams in the past where he shoudl have trusted the young talent more but this aint it. cam payne, landry shamet, delon wright, these guys should be garbage minute players at this point, not rotational.

i think thibs has his flaws but i don't think the pacers loss is on him and the knicks roster is what it is.

wings like hart, bridges, anunoby are young enough and athletic enough to play heavy minutes.

No one is saying go 10 deep vs the Pistons or Celtics... There are 82 other games.

If Wright, Shamet, and Precious are such butt cheeks then why for the final 2 or 3 games of Thibs Knicks coaching tenure is he giving them rotation minutes?

To me, he looked worse playing 10 guys at the end. If he didn't trust those dudes or care to develop their roles, why play them now? It was honestly a worse look than just sticking with his top 7.

Rest on your laurels, Thibs.

[Dez]

Not going to change anything when their best player is only effective when he pounds the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock.

They're basically the Isaiah Thomas Celtics, they aren't winning a championship no matter who the coach is.

maybe get a coach who can implement and actual offense other than iso/read and react?

Then Brunson becomes marginalised given that outside of KAT the rest of the Knicks roster is very limited offensively.

[basketballRob]

I assume they are going to hire Mike Malone.

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[___Rand___]

Fired the coach that just got them to the ECF for the first time since 99' smh.

i mean Denver fired their coach right before the playoffs and it was the coach that helped them win a chip.

Pretty sure Jokic got Malone fired. Dumb decision. They are now a treadmill team.

I don't know, but it was the right move. They don't go to 7 games without Adelman. He's an excellent coach. You talk about doing much with a limited roster? He sure did with Denver.

[Memories]

I freaking called it.

Thibs is a good coach, but he can only take you so far. This season was his absolute most he will ever take a team. He runs his players into the ground way too much all season, chemistry issues were brewing and the defense was nowhere as good as it needed to be with the personnel they have.

Now they will probably hire Mike Malone. He screams Knicks coach.

[DaGawd]

Not going to change anything when their best player is only effective when he pounds the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock.

They're basically the Isaiah Thomas Celtics, they aren't winning a championship no matter who the coach is.

maybe get a coach who can implement and actual offense other than iso/read and react?

Then Brunson becomes marginalised given that outside of KAT the rest of the Knicks roster is very limited offensively.

mikal bridges showed a lot more to this game in brooklyn than he did here.. that’s on coaching imo

[taikibansei]

Been a staunch Thibs defender here since his Twolves days and thought he did a good job this past season. We need better than good, though. We need somebody willing/able to completely re-envision this team on offense and on defense. Three high-level defenders in the starting five and two on the bench, plus two high-level scorers in the starting five and three others able to step up at any given time--that said, the parts never worked together smoothly, and our bench seemed consistently lost.

As I've posted before, Thibs was our Mark Jackson. Here's hoping we find our Steve Kerr--the young, hungry coach who sees a way to make all these parts fit in a new way.

There's no Steph and Klay in waiting. But this is your championship or broke as the team traded away 5 1st round picks so yeah, gotta try something different.

Etc., etc. Yeah, bUt wE hAvE No GoOd PlAyErS!!!

Here's the thing: when Brunson was out (and Robinson still unsteady), we were forced to go to a freer 5-out offense and use our bench...and after about a week of growing pains...suddenly we started to play well again. Very well.

And then Brunson came back, Robinson got fully healthy...and we went back to the very predictable offensive sets (basically hero-ball with Brunson and KAT...) that helped lose us this latest series. I.e., there's definitely still room for further tinkering.

Thanks, though, for making my point. While the splash brothers also technically played for Jackson, they only became a thing because of Kerr really seeing the unique make-up of his team, deciding then to move on from traditional roles and go all in on making opposing teams play to the Warriors' strengths.

That's what the Knicks need in a new coach.

[Meat]

Are the Knicks some incredibly talented team that shouldve been better than they are with Tom holding them back? Im honestly trying to understand. They won in spite of him? But when they lose because their top 2 is outplayed by the other teams top 2, it's still him and not the players? Theyre in the finals if Brunson/Towns are the better duo in the CF's...the players failed here, not the coach.

Yes. You're starting to get it now. The Knicks should have been better.

They're not in the conference finals without those 2 top players going supernova in the clutch. When they ran into a team that is also clutch AND has a great system, they couldn't overcome.

No, when they played a team that could match their top 2, their lack of depth got exposed. It's Thibs fault that he's going to Mcbride and Shamet on the bench while Indy is going to Obi/Mcconell/Math? The knicks are a top heavy team, and when that teams top is outplayed, they lose. Brunson/KAT failed against Indiana...thats why theyre not in the finals today

obi is lowkey his fault tho

[___Rand___]

I said it before. Bridges trade was a go for broke move by Knicks' FO for a championship. They thought Bridges takes them over the top to a championship team and that's why they paid that price. If Thibs isn't showing signs he could do it (they have had meetings since the loss), they are going to find a guy who says he can beat OKC with this roster.

[taikibansei]

Two things can be true at once. The Knicks lack depth AND they got massively outcoached.

The Knicks are top heavy, but their starting five is extremely talented and overall more talented than the Pacers'. We never maximized the rest of our starting five. Most games throughout the postseason one of OG or Bridges disappears and watches Brunson / Towns take turns ISOing.

Perhaps even with top tier coaching the Knicks still would have lost the series, I don't know. But no one can tell me Thibs got the most out of that roster. No chance.

I don't think people will agree with you.

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

It's actually worse than that. A lot of these same GB posters whining here today about us firing Thibs also mocked us when we hired the guy.