Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Son Goku 25]

Who's another Lowry or Jrue.. feel like Conley might be too old now (I'm thinking about follow up moves for an experienced vet that can still play)

[MiamiSPX]

Who's another Lowry or Jrue.. feel like Conley might be too old now (I'm thinking about follow up moves for an experienced vet that can still play)

I'm not sure how we can sign Tyus Jones but I am still a fan. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Phoenix but I'm willing to chalk it up to that team being a dumpster fire.

[Shakril]

The only modern team that has been able to win a title with zero front court shooting is the Warriors and they got away with it because they have 2 of the top 5 shooters of all time on their team.

We’ve seen the Bucks offense struggle in the playoffs WITH shooting. So we’re going to try and make a worse version of that?

I don't understand why people are even arguing against this. It's a terrible idea to have Poeltl clog the paint with Giannis on the court. I'd literally rather have Olynyk lol.

It’s pretty much just Shakril. If you know their history you know they’re going down with the Poeltl ship no matter how much replacing him might benefit the team.

First, i NEVER said you cant replace him. The argument was, that Giannis and Poeltl cant play together, which is false.
Second, i was proven right about Poeltl all year long. At some point, you guys need to put your head out of your behind and stop underrating or overrating your own players. Its always one of the extremes, which is a sad state of affair, when you think about it.

The hate on this Board for Poeltl is really weird.

[Raps in 4]

But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.

He’s the modern day Shaq

at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level

But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol

Tf we talking about

Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.

It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.

I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.

[WuTang_CMB]

But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.

He’s the modern day Shaq

at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level

But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol

Tf we talking about

Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.

It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.

I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.

3-5 who cares. You do the deal.

Also this board is funny

Masai >>>>>> Horst

Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.

[Raps in 4]

But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.

He’s the modern day Shaq

at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level

But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol

Tf we talking about

Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.

It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.

I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.

3-5 who cares. You do the deal.

Also this board is funny

Masai >>>>>> Horst

Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.

I have no doubt he wants to win. I just doubt his ability to make it happen. Trading for Giannis would empty the cupboard. Trading for Kawhi left our asset base mostly untouched, and that team had a lot more talent to begin with than this one (and Kawhi was a more dynamic player than Giannis whose game could slot into most lineups).

[WuTang_CMB]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/why-the-raptors-make-sense-in-a-giannis-trade-stanley-cup-final-preview-w-colby-armstrong/

[WuTang_CMB]

Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.

It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.

I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.

3-5 who cares. You do the deal.

Also this board is funny

Masai >>>>>> Horst

Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.

I have no doubt he wants to win. I just doubt his ability to make it happen. Trading for Giannis would empty the cupboard.

I have more doubts with our current roster. Getting a top 3 guy for the next 3-5 years puts you in the driver's seat, especially with the new eastern conference landscape. Even with giving up what we have to, Masai will find ways to add around the margins in order to fully optimize the roster for Giannis.

[LoveMyRaps]

Who's another Lowry or Jrue.. feel like Conley might be too old now (I'm thinking about follow up moves for an experienced vet that can still play)

Chris Paul is a free agent.
Could probably snag him for the vet min if we build a compelling rotation.
But he's probably too old as well.

Lonzo?

[OakleyDokely]

Look at it from the Bucks perspective though....They do NOT control their own picks so if they get a pick package from a team that just added Giannis all while keeping their best players as well...What in the world do these picks look like? 28-30th picks why would that be enticing at all to them?...If that would be the case Giannis is going to be a Pelican and get their picks back so they can at least tank properly...

The reason they would want Players + picks in any trade package is because they want players they can at least build with all while at least winning some games while also getting some picks for the future.....If they only can choose one or the other and not both they will just do what Dallas did and trade Giannis to a team like the Cavs for Mitchell....And still would not deal with us anyways because Barnes is not leading a team to the playoffs anyways...

Logical thinking here...

I understand why MIL would shoot for the moon, doesn't mean they will get the moon.

Well we not getting Giannis then if you think Barnes/Dick #9 is all we will give up for Giannis....How do we even know the Bucks Value Barnes like You or this fan base does? Its very possible if they want a player heavy package since they do not have their draft picks to tank if they lose....They go after established players who actually have a winning record in the NBA than players who have not proved much in the NBA yet....Especially if they need to try and compete after the deals made since they have no draft picks..

If i am Bucks and no teams offering up prospect players + Pick packages (Again 35 year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRPS) Than i will just go to teams with all star level players like Cavs with Donovan Mitchell or a team like the Celtics who have Brown/Kristaps/White, Knicks with KAT/OG and swap for better players that will help me win more than what young guys like Barnes/Dick/Mystery box draft pick will...

If they can only get a pick package and let the team keep their best players ontop of adding Giannis them picks are pretty valueless since they will all be 25-30th picks for a very long time so id have zero interest in that.....The only reason the Prospect players + Draft pick package has any sort of interest is because you get the best of both worlds if your the bucks....If you had to choose only one or the other....If im the Bucks im just going for established all stars like Mavs did with AD.

And if you come back and say these teams won't give up them players for Giannis Then i know you are just trolling....

You misinterpreted what I said.

I didn't say Barnes, Dick #9 was enough, I said the Raps (and other teanms) wouldn't give up that or the equivalent of that PLUS 4 other 1st rounders well out in the future without any kind of protections.

[Raps in 4]

I understand why MIL would shoot for the moon, doesn't mean they will get the moon.

Well we not getting Giannis then if you think Barnes/Dick #9 is all we will give up for Giannis....How do we even know the Bucks Value Barnes like You or this fan base does? Its very possible if they want a player heavy package since they do not have their draft picks to tank if they lose....They go after established players who actually have a winning record in the NBA than players who have not proved much in the NBA yet....Especially if they need to try and compete after the deals made since they have no draft picks..

If i am Bucks and no teams offering up prospect players + Pick packages (Again 35 year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRPS) Than i will just go to teams with all star level players like Cavs with Donovan Mitchell or a team like the Celtics who have Brown/Kristaps/White, Knicks with KAT/OG and swap for better players that will help me win more than what young guys like Barnes/Dick/Mystery box draft pick will...

If they can only get a pick package and let the team keep their best players ontop of adding Giannis them picks are pretty valueless since they will all be 25-30th picks for a very long time so id have zero interest in that.....The only reason the Prospect players + Draft pick package has any sort of interest is because you get the best of both worlds if your the bucks....If you had to choose only one or the other....If im the Bucks im just going for established all stars like Mavs did with AD.

And if you come back and say these teams won't give up them players for Giannis Then i know you are just trolling....

You misinterpreted what I said.

I didn't say Barnes, Dick #9 was enough, I said the Raps (and other teanms) wouldn't give up that or the equivalent of that PLUS 4 other 1st rounders well out in the future without any kind of protections.

I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.

Yes, teams are operating in a new cap environment now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.

Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out. I'd love to keep Ochai and JaKobe.

[LoveMyRaps]

What if Kawhi is our big fish... lol

Two years left on the contract. Shows up in the playoffs when it matters most.

RJ + Poeltl + #9 + Future First for Kawhi


Or expand the deal....


To Raptors: Kawhi
To Clippers: KD (expiring) + Barrett
To Suns: Poeltl (they need a big) + Bogdanovic + Jones + #9

[OakleyDokely]

Well we not getting Giannis then if you think Barnes/Dick #9 is all we will give up for Giannis....How do we even know the Bucks Value Barnes like You or this fan base does? Its very possible if they want a player heavy package since they do not have their draft picks to tank if they lose....They go after established players who actually have a winning record in the NBA than players who have not proved much in the NBA yet....Especially if they need to try and compete after the deals made since they have no draft picks..

If i am Bucks and no teams offering up prospect players + Pick packages (Again 35 year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRPS) Than i will just go to teams with all star level players like Cavs with Donovan Mitchell or a team like the Celtics who have Brown/Kristaps/White, Knicks with KAT/OG and swap for better players that will help me win more than what young guys like Barnes/Dick/Mystery box draft pick will...

If they can only get a pick package and let the team keep their best players ontop of adding Giannis them picks are pretty valueless since they will all be 25-30th picks for a very long time so id have zero interest in that.....The only reason the Prospect players + Draft pick package has any sort of interest is because you get the best of both worlds if your the bucks....If you had to choose only one or the other....If im the Bucks im just going for established all stars like Mavs did with AD.

And if you come back and say these teams won't give up them players for Giannis Then i know you are just trolling....

You misinterpreted what I said.

I didn't say Barnes, Dick #9 was enough, I said the Raps (and other teanms) wouldn't give up that or the equivalent of that PLUS 4 other 1st rounders well out in the future without any kind of protections.

I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.

Yes, teams are operating under a new CBA now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.

Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out.

When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?

[MiamiSPX]

What if Kawhi is our big fish... lol

Two years left on the contract. Shows up in the playoffs when it matters most.

RJ + Poeltl + #9 + Future First for Kawhi


Or expand the deal....


To Raptors: Kawhi
To Clippers: KD (expiring) + Barrett
To Suns: Poeltl (they need a big) + Bogdanovic + Jones + #9

Kawhi strikes me as the type of guy that could possible retire if traded out of CA.

[Raps in 4]

You misinterpreted what I said.

I didn't say Barnes, Dick #9 was enough, I said the Raps (and other teanms) wouldn't give up that or the equivalent of that PLUS 4 other 1st rounders well out in the future without any kind of protections.

I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.

Yes, teams are operating under a new CBA now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.

Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out.

When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?

That depends on how much Milwaukee values Barnes. I don't think many teams consider him a top prospect anymore.

[OakleyDokely]

I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.

Yes, teams are operating under a new CBA now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.

Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out.

When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?

That depends on how much Milwaukee values Barnes. I don't think most teams consider him a top prospect anymore.

If they don't value Barnes, the two teams don't even have talk.

[Clutch0z24]

But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.

He’s the modern day Shaq

at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level

But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol

Tf we talking about

Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.

It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.

I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.

Players as good as Giannis don't just flame out that fast especially ones that take care of their bodies like Giannis does....Injuries are one thing but if he stays decently healthy he could easily play high level basketball for 5+ years....Also the narratives it will be another Bucks situation if we trade Barnes/Dick or RJ/Ochai/#9th + Future picks/Swaps means we will be as bad as the Bucks is a lie...I don't think many people here watched a Bucks game this season...

Lillard is out all next year, Portis is a free agent (PO), Lopez is a free agent, GTJR Is a FA, Pat Conn Has a PO...

That means they have Kuzma, Giannis and a bunch of G-League players on the roster....Now could they go out and get some free agents? Sure....But its also Milwaukee i doubt they land anyone that changes the outcome of that team to make them a contender...

Giannis comes into this team with an All star 20+ PPG scorer in Ingram, IQ who fits perfect with Giannis, Yak who had his best season last year...Along with either RJ/Dick....

Then you have a bunch of young guys on the bench who could take a step next year along with possibly getting some Vets on the market for cheap that are ring chasing...

Team will not be done once we get Giannis there will be lots of moves that follow....

[Raptors_Dynasty]

Imagine Giannis with Booker, or Jalyn Brown

One can dream

[KP730]

folks, quick reminder of how to interpret reports from Doug Smith

Doug Smith reports:
- Raptors are interested in dealing for Giannis
- Raptors are considering dealing Scottie Barnes for Giannis
- Raptors have not at all discussed dealing for Sabonis

What it means:
- Raptors won’t deal for Giannis
- Raptors have put Scottie Barnes off the table for trades
- Raptors are actively discussing dealing for Sabonis ( )

hope that helps

[Clutch0z24]

You misinterpreted what I said.

I didn't say Barnes, Dick #9 was enough, I said the Raps (and other teanms) wouldn't give up that or the equivalent of that PLUS 4 other 1st rounders well out in the future without any kind of protections.

I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.

Yes, teams are operating under a new CBA now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.

Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out.

When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?

When has a player on the level of Giannis ever been traded without some weird kinda strings attached or some weird circumstances....

Kawhi and Luka?....You can't compare an actual bidding war with these 2 players ....There was not much of a bidding war considering Mavs didn't put Luka on the trade block to get the best package they could get, And Kawhi was injured on his walk contract year and everyone knew he was going to LA the following free agency....

You can't look at past trades for guys like Gobert/Mitchell/Bridges type of trade packages because these players are not even close to the player Giannis is....Your looking at a player who is a top 3 guy....That if he requests a trade the whole league knows hes up for grabs...If you don't think teams will line up for that and offer up big assets for him you are fooling yourself...

There is a reason when everyone puts out hypothetical with the favs to get Giannis like the Rockets/Spurs etc because they have loads of draft picks + young talented players to trade....If they are not putting up both their young players + picks the trade is not worth talking about because at that point they just go and get the most talented player they can for Giannis which would prolly be Donovan Mitchell...