2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Black Mage]

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Man, this was a really good watch. Listen to how he talks about Ace and Dylan. What he's alluding to with Ace definitely worries me.

I'd like to change my vote.

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

[Arsenal]

I’ll save everyone some time, Seth Greenberg says he’d take Tre Johnson at 3.

Imagine claiming the Sixers need a "two-way player" then saying that means we'll take Tre Johnson.

Most of these "analysts" are braindead morons.

[ProcessDoctor]

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Man, this was a really good watch. Listen to how he talks about Ace and Dylan. What he's alluding to with Ace definitely worries me.

I'd like to change my vote.

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

I think there's a lot to be said about Ace's lack of maturity and mindset. He strikes me as a guy who might not figure it out until he's on his 2nd or 3rd NBA team because he thinks he's an offensive hub already, which he's not. I love his confidence, but I think it dips into a lack of self-awareness with him. None of his interviews or quotes have struck me as someone ready to play team NBA basketball.

[Jojothewhale]

I'm not telling you how to think...and I'm not referring to you, just like you don't speak for the others that have over analyzed on this board that I am talking about and essentially don't think he can improve. Either you're speaking for them or internalizing it.... Pick

It is also a fact that people have pretended like Ace is the only player that can in listed under his height and it's a huge deal. Cooper Flagg did too and it's a fact. I can definitely say that the top of someone's head means very little.... If you want to dispute that....I want to laugh

I'm speaking for me. I'm not picking anything except who's not worth my time, like you're rapidly approaching.

Everyone who paid attention to Ace going back as far as high school knew his height was inflated. That happens a lot. Not only is it not a big deal, it's literally nothing. We knew this was his rough height. It's like a Slot WR who runs a poor 40 time. We already knew that wasn't a strength. Don't count it twice. The only relevance it has is when people used it to comp him to Durant because those few inches are a big difference.

I don't remember anyone quoting you or naming you, therefore you internalized, sorry you can't own up to that. Use your time wisely... I'm not getting steered into a Durant comparison discussion after you started with your abilities to weight height vs length.

I wasn’t talking to you. You quoted me because yet another member of the Ace brigade can’t take criticism. Just like Ace, your aim is off.

[Black Mage]

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Man, this was a really good watch. Listen to how he talks about Ace and Dylan. What he's alluding to with Ace definitely worries me.

I'd like to change my vote.

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

I think there's a lot to be said about Ace's lack of maturity and mindset. He strikes me as a guy who might not figure it out until he's on his 2nd or 3rd NBA team because he thinks he's an offensive hub already, which he's not. I love his confidence, but I think it dips into a lack of self-awareness with him. None of his interviews or quotes have struck me as someone ready to play team NBA basketball.

All fair, I'm not even reacting to his Ace take. If you said you need a kid who is a winner and a two-way player how in the world did that not lead to taking VJ? He helped at FIBA making winning plays. He left Baylor deep into the Tournament. And it wasn't just me thinking that, all 3 of the guys were surprised that Tre was his guy given what he said to start off.

[Iverson Armband]

I’ll save everyone some time, Seth Greenberg says he’d take Tre Johnson at 3.

Imagine claiming the Sixers need a "two-way player" then saying that means we'll take Tre Johnson.

Most of these "analysts" are braindead morons.

I hear you, but I think people believe in Tre’s offense so much that they just kind of overlook the defense right now. I think whether rightly or wrongly, people kind of assume he’ll be atleast passable on defense. But this kid is flat out spectacular offensively. Greenberg is yet another person to compare him to Ray Allen.

[Black Mage]

If Tre is really flying up into Top 5 and even Top 3 conversation, why wouldn't the Spurs consider him? Tre would fit beautifully between Fox, Castle, Wemby and they all cover up his one weakness.

Are we all missing the obvious pick for Spurs?

::EDIT::

The more I think about this, the more Tre to the Spurs would make a ton of sense. Tre gives them the kind of dynamic floor spacing guard/wing that can also run the pick and roll with Wemby or come off screens or C&S and drain 3's at an elite clip. The Spurs between Fox, Castle and Wemby have 3 advanced defenders that can take on the tough assignments and let Tre cover the weakest and if Tre gets beat, Wemby's there as a rim protector.

I don't think I'd be surprised if Spurs went Tre at #2 regardless of what consensus is. If they want a bit more size, they could always use 14 and grab Fleming, Coward or somebody like that.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Hey man, I just don’t like the kid’s stats. There is no Ace crusade, I’ve been actively avoiding discussing his game because it clearly has ruffled everyone’s feathers. I don’t know if you all are part of his PR campaign or what, but bravo to him; I’ve never seen such staunch supporters for a random draft prospect on the heels of a forgettable college season. I guess people liked Fultz and Simmons a lot too.

Dude it was joke. The point being that there are people that are against the idea of drafting him and they have explained with legitimate reasoning. I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU PROPS BRO...Relax. I don't necessarily see what you seen in terms of his game, but I see other traits so to speak that scream stay away. Three weeks ago, I was all for the idea of taking him. Now I'm more on the side of just trading down a few spots and taking a player we like there. That is all dude.

My bad, I’m usually good with catching jokes, but I’m on edge after the entire Board of the Ace Bailey Fan Club came for my head for not liking that he didn’t draw enough fouls.

Hey man, I apologize for any rudeness. Each and every one of you on this forum are cool kats. I'm just passionate about this team and I'm deathly afraid that we're gonna bomb this pick. I saw Bailey as not only a need...But also one of the top players in this draft and now that all these flaws have been exposed, it's got me worried. These are legitimate concerns at this point and we as fans have gotten a lot smarter about what to look for and how to notice the red flags. We were burned by Okafor, Simmons, and Fultz so I guess that's where it stems from. Much love man. Your opinion and analysis is recognized and respected.

[Iverson Armband]

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

I think there's a lot to be said about Ace's lack of maturity and mindset. He strikes me as a guy who might not figure it out until he's on his 2nd or 3rd NBA team because he thinks he's an offensive hub already, which he's not. I love his confidence, but I think it dips into a lack of self-awareness with him. None of his interviews or quotes have struck me as someone ready to play team NBA basketball.

All fair, I'm not even reacting to his Ace take. If you said you need a kid who is a winner and a two-way player how in the world did that not lead to taking VJ? He helped at FIBA making winning plays. He left Baylor deep into the Tournament. And it wasn't just me thinking that, all 3 of the guys were surprised that Tre was his guy given what he said to start off.

Because it’s obvious VJ will be nothing more than a role player. Plus his defense is way overblown. Pretty wildly at this point.

He also didn’t lead Baylor deep in to anything as you claim. They won one round before he was damn near invisible against Duke in the tourney.

[ProcessDoctor]

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

I think there's a lot to be said about Ace's lack of maturity and mindset. He strikes me as a guy who might not figure it out until he's on his 2nd or 3rd NBA team because he thinks he's an offensive hub already, which he's not. I love his confidence, but I think it dips into a lack of self-awareness with him. None of his interviews or quotes have struck me as someone ready to play team NBA basketball.

All fair, I'm not even reacting to his Ace take. If you said you need a kid who is a winner and a two-way player how in the world did that not lead to taking VJ? He helped at FIBA making winning plays. He left Baylor deep into the Tournament. And it wasn't just me thinking that, all 3 of the guys were surprised that Tre was his guy given what he said to start off.

Agreed, I was also surprised he didn't say VJ. I think it will ultimately be VJ if we stay at #3.

My takeaway from all of this is that there are enough red flags with Ace that maybe he shouldn't be the pick. What really scares me is we've already suffered greatly from drafting guys who don't have it between the ears.

If we don't want to stick at #3 and take VJ or Tre, then trade down and make someone pay a hefty price for Ace. Or, bundle #3 + non-Maxey players/assets for Giannis.

[M2J]

I'm speaking for me. I'm not picking anything except who's not worth my time, like you're rapidly approaching.

Everyone who paid attention to Ace going back as far as high school knew his height was inflated. That happens a lot. Not only is it not a big deal, it's literally nothing. We knew this was his rough height. It's like a Slot WR who runs a poor 40 time. We already knew that wasn't a strength. Don't count it twice. The only relevance it has is when people used it to comp him to Durant because those few inches are a big difference.

I don't remember anyone quoting you or naming you, therefore you internalized, sorry you can't own up to that. Use your time wisely... I'm not getting steered into a Durant comparison discussion after you started with your abilities to weight height vs length.

I wasn’t talking to you. You quoted me because yet another member of the Ace brigade can’t take criticism. Just like Ace, your aim is off.

You didn't criticize anyone... You didn't even really criticize Ace. I quoted a poster that said essentially that there was no over analyzing of Ace and that everyone who was against taking him at 3 just didn't think he had skills that separate him at that level in the draft. I said that may apply to you, but it doesn't apply to everyone.... You've since proceeded with diarrhea and anal bleed trying to spin

[Black Mage]

I think there's a lot to be said about Ace's lack of maturity and mindset. He strikes me as a guy who might not figure it out until he's on his 2nd or 3rd NBA team because he thinks he's an offensive hub already, which he's not. I love his confidence, but I think it dips into a lack of self-awareness with him. None of his interviews or quotes have struck me as someone ready to play team NBA basketball.

All fair, I'm not even reacting to his Ace take. If you said you need a kid who is a winner and a two-way player how in the world did that not lead to taking VJ? He helped at FIBA making winning plays. He left Baylor deep into the Tournament. And it wasn't just me thinking that, all 3 of the guys were surprised that Tre was his guy given what he said to start off.

Agreed, I was also surprised he didn't say VJ. I think it will ultimately be VJ if we stay at #3.

My takeaway from all of this is that there are enough red flags with Ace that maybe he shouldn't be the pick. What really scares me is we've already suffered greatly from drafting guys who don't have it between the ears.

If we don't want to stick at #3 and take VJ or Tre, then trade down and make someone pay a hefty price for him. Or, bundle #3 + non-Maxey players/assets for Giannis.

Not bundling McCain or Edwards for 2 years of Giannis. We gotta have some youth and cost-controlled players that can play otherwise we'll be trading Giannis as an expiring contract in 2027, after it becomes clear Joel is totally cooked. If that's the case, you might as well be ready to also trade Maxey b/c he'll be long out of his prime as a small speed guard as we go into a full rebuild. It's depressing, but I'd rather just start the rebuild now and gamble Joel makes it one year to the playoffs healthy.

[Snotbubbles]

Everyone is saying the consensus #3 to #8 is all the same. Based off history, I’m willing to bet any amount of money there will be atleast one player drafted in that range that is clearly better than the rest.

But there's the rub, you don't which player it's going to be. I could be the guy drafted a #3 or the guy drafted at #8. It's easy to determine looking back, but it's impossible without hindsight.

No, it’s not impossible. There’s skill to drafting.

It's impossible because you can't predict injuries.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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Man, this was a really good watch. Listen to how he talks about Ace and Dylan. What he's alluding to with Ace definitely worries me.

I'd like to change my vote.

I came away seeing it as a word salad contradictory mess.

He says Sixers need kids who "win" and are "two-way" players. So naturally his pick is Tre Johnson who literally had a sequence of events that took his team from winning the play-in to losing it and is anything but a two-way.

He then claims the Rutgers coach is a good coach and all I've seen anywhere is Rutgers coaches sucked and Alumni want him fired.

Greenberg caps the whole thing off by recommending trading Joel to get into the Top 6. Seriously? He thinks Joel has any kind of value and what contracts are we taking back to dump that Seth and what else are we giving up to convince a team to do that?

So his statement of Sixers need a two-way player ends in him wanting them to take one of two guys who are one-way players. Brilliant! BTW, I do agree with him on needing a two-way guy, but that does not equate to Tre or Maluach.

As Clark Griswold once said "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol?"

Yeah Greenberg is a bit of a moron. Not sure how much weight his opinion holds. Obviously there's concerns with Bailey and...Pretty much every prospect that is expected to be available to us, but I'm not taking his opinion as anything more than a hot take. Truth is, nobody knows **** and I'm willing to bet green money that Morey already has his list narrowed down to three-four names.

[Arsenal]

Yeah I’m all the way OUT on Nipples. Just a C&S guy feasting off wide open looks generated by his stacked team.

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[Negrodamus]

I’m not an Ace fan, but I certainly am not going to let Seth Greenberg sway my opinion on any prospect

[Black Mage]

Yeah I’m all the way OUT on Nipples. Just a C&S guy feasting off wide open looks generated by his stacked team.

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Think I'm pretty firmly down to Tre, VJ and Ace.

[Black Mage]

Jazz just nepo'd Ainge's boy into President of Basketball Ops and apparently he'll be running Jazz draft.

[Negrodamus]

Think I'm pretty firmly down to Tre, VJ and Ace.

That's bleak **** right there.

[Black Mage]

Think I'm pretty firmly down to Tre, VJ and Ace.

That's bleak **** right there.

Why? All 3 have something to offer, all 3 have some holes.

Apologies, but I forgot who you're pegging in your final 2 or 3 guys. Who were they again?