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Gavin_TDThree wrote:Dougy Smith mentioned that they'll talk about Scottie Barnes as a centrepiece of the Giannis Trade
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1l2hh85/doug_smith_i_think_they_will_probably_talk_about/
Like I said, if that's the asking price (basically giving MIL everything they want), he doesn't get traded.Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?Raps in 4 wrote:
I mean, teams traded 5x FRPs not too long ago for Bridges, Gobert, and Mitchell.
Yes, teams are operating under a new CBA now, but multiple future FRPs are 100% being included in a Giannis trade.
Barnes, Dick, #9, and 3x FRPs is probably the package going out.
When has a player on the level of Giannis ever been traded without some weird kinda strings attached or some weird circumstances....
Kawhi and Luka?....You can't compare an actual bidding war with these 2 players ....There was not much of a bidding war considering Mavs didn't put Luka on the trade block to get the best package they could get, And Kawhi was injured on his walk contract year and everyone knew he was going to LA the following free agency....
You can't look at past trades for guys like Gobert/Mitchell/Bridges type of trade packages because these players are not even close to the player Giannis is....Your looking at a player who is a top 3 guy....That if he requests a trade the whole league knows hes up for grabs...If you don't think teams will line up for that and offer up big assets for him you are fooling yourself...
There is a reason when everyone puts out hypothetical with the favs to get Giannis like the Rockets/Spurs etc because they have loads of draft picks + young talented players to trade....If they are not putting up both their young players + picks the trade is not worth talking about because at that point they just go and get the most talented player they can for Giannis which would prolly be Donovan Mitchell...
Tor_Raps wrote:Gavin_TDThree wrote:Dougy Smith mentioned that they'll talk about Scottie Barnes as a centrepiece of the Giannis Trade
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1l2hh85/doug_smith_i_think_they_will_probably_talk_about/
Can't believe the NBA world and us are giving tbis guy clout but here we are lol
Raps in 4 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.
He’s the modern day Shaq
at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level
But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol
Tf we talking about
Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.
It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.
I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.
OakleyDokely wrote:Like I said, if that's the asking price (basically giving MIL everything they want), he doesn't get traded.Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:When was a top young player + a top 10 pick in a current draft attached with those 4-5 picks?
When has a player on the level of Giannis ever been traded without some weird kinda strings attached or some weird circumstances....
Kawhi and Luka?....You can't compare an actual bidding war with these 2 players ....There was not much of a bidding war considering Mavs didn't put Luka on the trade block to get the best package they could get, And Kawhi was injured on his walk contract year and everyone knew he was going to LA the following free agency....
You can't look at past trades for guys like Gobert/Mitchell/Bridges type of trade packages because these players are not even close to the player Giannis is....Your looking at a player who is a top 3 guy....That if he requests a trade the whole league knows hes up for grabs...If you don't think teams will line up for that and offer up big assets for him you are fooling yourself...
There is a reason when everyone puts out hypothetical with the favs to get Giannis like the Rockets/Spurs etc because they have loads of draft picks + young talented players to trade....If they are not putting up both their young players + picks the trade is not worth talking about because at that point they just go and get the most talented player they can for Giannis which would prolly be Donovan Mitchell...
WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:But everyone knows Giannis isn’t a shooter.
He’s the modern day Shaq
at a certain point ya we love barnes and he’s a really good player and we all hope hengets to that next level
But this is giannis. Hall of famer. Top 3 guy for prob another 3-5 years lol
Tf we talking about
Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.
It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.
I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.
3-5 who cares. You do the deal.
Also this board is funny
Masai >>>>>> Horst
Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.
What more can a team give than their top young player, a current top 10 pick and all their future picks?Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:Like I said, if that's the asking price (basically giving MIL everything they want), he doesn't get traded.Clutch0z24 wrote:
When has a player on the level of Giannis ever been traded without some weird kinda strings attached or some weird circumstances....
Kawhi and Luka?....You can't compare an actual bidding war with these 2 players ....There was not much of a bidding war considering Mavs didn't put Luka on the trade block to get the best package they could get, And Kawhi was injured on his walk contract year and everyone knew he was going to LA the following free agency....
You can't look at past trades for guys like Gobert/Mitchell/Bridges type of trade packages because these players are not even close to the player Giannis is....Your looking at a player who is a top 3 guy....That if he requests a trade the whole league knows hes up for grabs...If you don't think teams will line up for that and offer up big assets for him you are fooling yourself...
There is a reason when everyone puts out hypothetical with the favs to get Giannis like the Rockets/Spurs etc because they have loads of draft picks + young talented players to trade....If they are not putting up both their young players + picks the trade is not worth talking about because at that point they just go and get the most talented player they can for Giannis which would prolly be Donovan Mitchell...
Its not everything they would want....But they will also not take some garbage offers because if teams with the young assets + picks like the Raptors/Spurs/Rockets are not giving up the packages that puts them in the race for Giannis in the first place than like i said....Bucks can just pivot their thinking and instead of going for young players or meh packages from them teams they just go to Celtics/Cavs/Knicks type of teams and get the best player(s) they can because for example Rockets/Spurs/Raptors do not have as good players as them teams have to offer...
So why would they go after unproven young players alone if they don't get picks in return as well when they don't have draft picks of their own? Think of it logically here...
OakleyDokely wrote:What more can a team give than their top young player, a current top 10 pick and all their future picks?Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:Like I said, if that's the asking price (basically giving MIL everything they want), he doesn't get traded.
Its not everything they would want....But they will also not take some garbage offers because if teams with the young assets + picks like the Raptors/Spurs/Rockets are not giving up the packages that puts them in the race for Giannis in the first place than like i said....Bucks can just pivot their thinking and instead of going for young players or meh packages from them teams they just go to Celtics/Cavs/Knicks type of teams and get the best player(s) they can because for example Rockets/Spurs/Raptors do not have as good players as them teams have to offer...
So why would they go after unproven young players alone if they don't get picks in return as well when they don't have draft picks of their own? Think of it logically here...
Spurs gotta give Wemby? Raps give them Scotiabank?
If Giannis demands a trade, they will just have to take best offer, even if it's below their expectation.
teams will put up good trades for an all time great here....35 Year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRP like i said ....Giannis is younger and a better player than Durant...KP730 wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:Gavin_TDThree wrote:Dougy Smith mentioned that they'll talk about Scottie Barnes as a centrepiece of the Giannis Trade
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1l2hh85/doug_smith_i_think_they_will_probably_talk_about/
Can't believe the NBA world and us are giving tbis guy clout but here we are lol
Raps fans should know the basic rule by now
whatever Doug Smith reports, the opposite happens
What teams can offer and what teams will offer are two separate questions.Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:What more can a team give than their top young player, a current top 10 pick and all their future picks?Clutch0z24 wrote:
Its not everything they would want....But they will also not take some garbage offers because if teams with the young assets + picks like the Raptors/Spurs/Rockets are not giving up the packages that puts them in the race for Giannis in the first place than like i said....Bucks can just pivot their thinking and instead of going for young players or meh packages from them teams they just go to Celtics/Cavs/Knicks type of teams and get the best player(s) they can because for example Rockets/Spurs/Raptors do not have as good players as them teams have to offer...
So why would they go after unproven young players alone if they don't get picks in return as well when they don't have draft picks of their own? Think of it logically here...
Spurs gotta give Wemby? Raps give them Scotiabank?
If Giannis demands a trade, they will just have to take best offer, even if it's below their expectation.
No Spurs can offer up #2 (Prolly Harper), 14th (Prolly one of Flemming/Carter Bryant/Jase Richardson), Castle, Keldon, And a lot more FRPs considering they own OTHER teams FRPs as well as their own....
Like i said if you are not giving me a few of your best young guys + at least 3 future FRPs with at least 1 pick swap in there....I will just go and get a Donovan Mitchell + more type of package to try and get a better player than any of these young guys and try and compete since i do not own any of my Draft picks...
If you think Bucks can't go to any team in the league and ask for said player in return for Giannis and them teams saying "No thanks" Than idk what to tell you....
The whole reason we are even in the convo for Giannis in the first place is because we own all of our picks + Have a ton of young upside
players....Not one or the other....
If Giannis Demands a trade teams will give up alot because it will be a bidding war....That means you have to outdue the other teams offers...teams will put up good trades for an all time great here....35 Year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRP like i said ....Giannis is younger and a better player than Durant...
OakleyDokely wrote:What teams can offer and what teams will offer are two separate questions.Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:What more can a team give than their top young player, a current top 10 pick and all their future picks?
Spurs gotta give Wemby? Raps give them Scotiabank?
If Giannis demands a trade, they will just have to take best offer, even if it's below their expectation.
No Spurs can offer up #2 (Prolly Harper), 14th (Prolly one of Flemming/Carter Bryant/Jase Richardson), Castle, Keldon, And a lot more FRPs considering they own OTHER teams FRPs as well as their own....
Like i said if you are not giving me a few of your best young guys + at least 3 future FRPs with at least 1 pick swap in there....I will just go and get a Donovan Mitchell + more type of package to try and get a better player than any of these young guys and try and compete since i do not own any of my Draft picks...
If you think Bucks can't go to any team in the league and ask for said player in return for Giannis and them teams saying "No thanks" Than idk what to tell you....
The whole reason we are even in the convo for Giannis in the first place is because we own all of our picks + Have a ton of young upside
players....Not one or the other....
If Giannis Demands a trade teams will give up alot because it will be a bidding war....That means you have to outdue the other teams offers...
Tripod wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
Giannis isn't going another 5 years lol. 2-3 years is more likely. If there is one thing I'd bet money on, it's that Giannis will not have a long career.
It's an interesting trade, but I don't think we have the roster depth to contend with him here. RJ and Yak are both poor fits next to him, and BI is a questionable fit. We'd also be trading one or more of Dick, JaKobe, and Ochai in order to get him here, and those are exactly the players we need around Giannis.
I think we'd just become the current version of the Bucks with Giannis here, maybe slightly better. And we wouldn't have any pieces left for follow-up moves.
3-5 who cares. You do the deal.
Also this board is funny
Masai >>>>>> Horst
Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.
Crazy how people forget 3/5 of our starters on the Chip team were added that year and Serge at the previous deadline.
BI was our Serge trade(deadline deal the previous year).
You keep making these Gobert comparisons but none of the deals proposed here are the equivalent to that. Gobert didn't bring back top prospects and top draft picks. He was traded for a bunch of mostly mid to late 1sts.Clutch0z24 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:What teams can offer and what teams will offer are two separate questions.Clutch0z24 wrote:
No Spurs can offer up #2 (Prolly Harper), 14th (Prolly one of Flemming/Carter Bryant/Jase Richardson), Castle, Keldon, And a lot more FRPs considering they own OTHER teams FRPs as well as their own....
Like i said if you are not giving me a few of your best young guys + at least 3 future FRPs with at least 1 pick swap in there....I will just go and get a Donovan Mitchell + more type of package to try and get a better player than any of these young guys and try and compete since i do not own any of my Draft picks...
If you think Bucks can't go to any team in the league and ask for said player in return for Giannis and them teams saying "No thanks" Than idk what to tell you....
The whole reason we are even in the convo for Giannis in the first place is because we own all of our picks + Have a ton of young upside
players....Not one or the other....
If Giannis Demands a trade teams will give up alot because it will be a bidding war....That means you have to outdue the other teams offers...
Ill leave it at this because you seem a lil delusional on this but this is Giannis we are talking about an all time great....Not some Gobert level player....This guy walks into your door and makes you a title contender day 1....Teams like the Spurs/Rockets can give up lots of young guys + picks and still have a pretty great team even after giving up all them draft picks/young players....If you are the Raptors and say hey take Barnes/9th/Dick and 2 FRPs or find another offer.....I will bet lots of money they can find a better offer than that....Or they just go get a better player package....Whats stopping Bucks from getting a Bridges/OG or a Brown/White/Pritchard or a Mitchell/Hunter type packages? Instead of the offers the teams with the young players + Picks packages if they are unwilling to add one or the other?....
Do you seriously think them teams would reject an offer for Giannis if they went to the Knicks and asked for OG/Bridges or Mitchell/Hunter? ...If so idk what to say...Because they would not reject it....I think you are badly under rating Giannis value to any team trading for him and what the Bucks GM will get offered for him...
TheRaptor! wrote:The posters who think we are depleted after the trade is exactly why this trade might happen
Bucks do NOT want to gfit a Eastern rival a chip. Let them think we are a second round fodder with BI and Giannis.
However, I can assure you those posters are wrong; with Giannis, we can 100% contend for a chip as long as Masai is around.