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LarsV8 wrote:Yea, this isn't close for Houston.
Article just came out today about Phx calling Houston, and Hou wanting a discount price.
This is the opposite.
jredsaz wrote:LarsV8 wrote:Yea, this isn't close for Houston.
Article just came out today about Phx calling Houston, and Hou wanting a discount price.
This is the opposite.
That article is the second in a month from the same reporter driving down Durants value. That tells me Houston is interested.
jbk1234 wrote:jayjaysee wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
I feel like that approach got them to where they are. Trade for Durant and figure out the rest later. Trade for Beal and figure out the rest later. Trade Ayton for Nukic and worry about the rest later.
I don't think they should take back Green and worry about the rest later, unless the later plan involves trading Booker.
But they didn’t get good value in any of those deals so don’t really understand that comparison. The KD trade was worth the risk sure, but they paid a lot. And even if we say they got good value for Beal/Grayson (I don’t think they did nor do I think they should’ve traded for both) it goes further into the second half of “worry about it later”..
Phoenix never figured out their roster. They kept everyone decent, were stuck with Beal and started bench players? Signing Tyus, trading for Richards and ignoring the shooting guard stack isn’t figuring it out.
Green would be the cost of Phoenix getting the most value, which is why they should take him. They can build it into a 4-5 team and maybe they would. But IMO Houston’s top offer should include Jalen because of their own finances. And Phoenix should take the top offer available and figure out the roster after..
It’s really not hard to think of landing spots for Jalen Green. I wouldn’t call him neutral value, but Phoenix can and would take back negative salary so it shouldn’t cost much.
Let me be clear, I don't think there's another team that will take Green for free. I think this is Nurkic all over again where you're going to have to attach a value to move him. That's why I'd put the responsibility of finding the third team - even if all that came back in exchange for Green was apron relief - on the Rockets. If the best asset is Amen Thompson, sure, but let's be real here, the best asset is likely to be a guy who needs to get paid soon and lost his starting job to Thompson.
LarsV8 wrote:jredsaz wrote:LarsV8 wrote:Yea, this isn't close for Houston.
Article just came out today about Phx calling Houston, and Hou wanting a discount price.
This is the opposite.
That article is the second in a month from the same reporter driving down Durants value. That tells me Houston is interested.
Or it could tell you exactly what this and numerous other articles have told you, explicitly, that the Rockets have little interest in Durant, and prefer to let their young pieces grow, unless the pricetag is clearance level.
I have been monitoring the Phoenix forums for some time...doesn't seem to matter what happens in the day to day, everyone over there seems to come to the same conclusion that this is going to be a "perfect storm" and a bidding war is going to erupt over Durant in the offseason, yet every trade proposal here, usually has the team that is receiving Durant, balking at the proposed prices. Very few Suns fans seem to recognize that this is likely going to be a very disappointing return vs expectations. Here is a fun exercise, why don't you speculate what needs to happen for there to end up being little interest in Durant, because all I have seen is confirmation bias.
Furthermore, not sure why you think a reporter has any power to drive down value, they don't. The reporter is just communicating to the fans, what most of us have already concluded for a while now, which is that Durant is interesting, in a buy low situation, and it doesn't make sense to make any real investment in a guy 37 years old, making 50+ million a year, especially for a team with a very young core.
jredsaz wrote:LarsV8 wrote:jredsaz wrote:
That article is the second in a month from the same reporter driving down Durants value. That tells me Houston is interested.
Or it could tell you exactly what this and numerous other articles have told you, explicitly, that the Rockets have little interest in Durant, and prefer to let their young pieces grow, unless the pricetag is clearance level.
I have been monitoring the Phoenix forums for some time...doesn't seem to matter what happens in the day to day, everyone over there seems to come to the same conclusion that this is going to be a "perfect storm" and a bidding war is going to erupt over Durant in the offseason, yet every trade proposal here, usually has the team that is receiving Durant, balking at the proposed prices. Very few Suns fans seem to recognize that this is likely going to be a very disappointing return vs expectations. Here is a fun exercise, why don't you speculate what needs to happen for there to end up being little interest in Durant, because all I have seen is confirmation bias.
Furthermore, not sure why you think a reporter has any power to drive down value, they don't. The reporter is just communicating to the fans, what most of us have already concluded for a while now, which is that Durant is interesting, in a buy low situation, and it doesn't make sense to make any real investment in a guy 37 years old, making 50+ million a year, especially for a team with a very young core.
First, this is slop season. Of course the leaks are designed to drive value because value is driven largely in the public arena. How do you think tickets get sold? Further, this isn’t new. It’s been happening for years.
Second, he talks about the Suns draft capital of which Rockets have a significant amount. Even if the Suns were calling every week offering less, the offers might have started at Green, Jabari and all their draft capital. None of this indicates that your view on his value or mine is accurate.
Third, I don’t creep the team threads anymore. I probably should but it’s all a bubble talk, a lot like this whole board is.
Fourth, there could be a scenario in which KD brings less value than I think. Moreover, I think his return will be significantly lower than what the average Suns fan thinks. But with the current apron restrictions and the competition (not nearly as many teams tanking) it should float his value.
Last, what this board suffers most from (imo) is the keyboard GM/Fan with all the time in the world to develop and win. OKC is an incredible story but it’s the exception that proves my rule, MAYBE. The last back to back champs was the 17/18 Warriors and that happened at the end/beginning of the previous CBA. This new CBA is designed for parity. Clutching to Jalen Green and Jabari Smith (and paying them) and #10 doesn’t make sense in the new CBA if a trade makes the Rockets better now.
I doubt very much KD ends up on the Rockets but it won’t be because KD gets the kind of return you expect
jredsaz wrote:jredsaz wrote:LarsV8 wrote:
Or it could tell you exactly what this and numerous other articles have told you, explicitly, that the Rockets have little interest in Durant, and prefer to let their young pieces grow, unless the pricetag is clearance level.
I have been monitoring the Phoenix forums for some time...doesn't seem to matter what happens in the day to day, everyone over there seems to come to the same conclusion that this is going to be a "perfect storm" and a bidding war is going to erupt over Durant in the offseason, yet every trade proposal here, usually has the team that is receiving Durant, balking at the proposed prices. Very few Suns fans seem to recognize that this is likely going to be a very disappointing return vs expectations. Here is a fun exercise, why don't you speculate what needs to happen for there to end up being little interest in Durant, because all I have seen is confirmation bias.
Furthermore, not sure why you think a reporter has any power to drive down value, they don't. The reporter is just communicating to the fans, what most of us have already concluded for a while now, which is that Durant is interesting, in a buy low situation, and it doesn't make sense to make any real investment in a guy 37 years old, making 50+ million a year, especially for a team with a very young core.
First, this is slop season. Of course the leaks are designed to drive value because value is driven largely in the public arena. How do you think tickets get sold? Further, this isn’t new. It’s been happening for years.
Second, he talks about the Suns draft capital of which Rockets have a significant amount. Even if the Suns were calling every week offering less, the offers might have started at Green, Jabari and all their draft capital. None of this indicates that your view on his value or mine is accurate.
Third, I don’t creep the team threads anymore. I probably should but it’s all a bubble talk, a lot like this whole board is.
Fourth, there could be a scenario in which KD brings less value than I think. Moreover, I think his return will be significantly lower than what the average Suns fan thinks. But with the current apron restrictions and the competition (not nearly as many teams tanking) it should float his value.
Last, what this board suffers most from (imo) is the keyboard GM/Fan with all the time in the world to develop and win. OKC is an incredible story but it’s the exception that proves my rule, MAYBE. The last back to back champs was the 17/18 Warriors and that happened at the end/beginning of the previous CBA. This new CBA is designed for parity. Clutching to Jalen Green and Jabari Smith (and paying them) and #10 doesn’t make sense in the new CBA if a trade makes the Rockets better now.
I doubt very much KD ends up on the Rockets but it won’t be because KD gets the kind of return you expect
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LarsV8 wrote:jredsaz wrote:jredsaz wrote:
First, this is slop season. Of course the leaks are designed to drive value because value is driven largely in the public arena. How do you think tickets get sold? Further, this isn’t new. It’s been happening for years.
Second, he talks about the Suns draft capital of which Rockets have a significant amount. Even if the Suns were calling every week offering less, the offers might have started at Green, Jabari and all their draft capital. None of this indicates that your view on his value or mine is accurate.
Third, I don’t creep the team threads anymore. I probably should but it’s all a bubble talk, a lot like this whole board is.
Fourth, there could be a scenario in which KD brings less value than I think. Moreover, I think his return will be significantly lower than what the average Suns fan thinks. But with the current apron restrictions and the competition (not nearly as many teams tanking) it should float his value.
Last, what this board suffers most from (imo) is the keyboard GM/Fan with all the time in the world to develop and win. OKC is an incredible story but it’s the exception that proves my rule, MAYBE. The last back to back champs was the 17/18 Warriors and that happened at the end/beginning of the previous CBA. This new CBA is designed for parity. Clutching to Jalen Green and Jabari Smith (and paying them) and #10 doesn’t make sense in the new CBA if a trade makes the Rockets better now.
I doubt very much KD ends up on the Rockets but it won’t be because KD gets the kind of return you expect
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That's great, but I never made any of those arguments that he is trying to claim Rockets fans don't get.
How about my other post? I never go that deep but out of respect to you I did.Return to Trades and Transactions